Daredevil217 said: Jarvind said:The problem isn't just that he's overused. Panther/Thanos was overused, but I don't recall a whole lot of actual cries for a nerf, except maybe early on. I don’t know how long you’ve been playing, but there were absolutely cries for a nerf. I remember a huge thread about the game becoming Marvel Tapping Quest because of how fast he cleared nodes and how ridiculously easy he made the game. Grocket as well got plenty of calls for a nerf for the longest time and they are STILL the meta in the 4* tier today. Over time, the cries died down. Gambit’s have as well though they aren’t completely gone as evidenced by his thread.
Jarvind said:The problem isn't just that he's overused. Panther/Thanos was overused, but I don't recall a whole lot of actual cries for a nerf, except maybe early on.
ZeroKarma said: Daredevil217 said: Gold_Dragon said:You wanna know the MAIN reason people are (still) calling for a nerf of Gambit? It’s because they’re still not over OML nerf. And not because he got nerfed. But the REASONING of it as well. So now, if a team/character gets too much use, the call for nerf goes out. Whoever is flagging every one of this guy’s posts as spam needs to quit. Just because you disagree, it does not mean he should be flagged. I hate when people abuse this system and I see it way too often for my liking. Jarvind said:The problem isn't just that he's overused. Panther/Thanos was overused, but I don't recall a whole lot of actual cries for a nerf, except maybe early on. I don’t know how long you’ve been playing, but there were absolutely cries for a nerf. I remember a huge thread about the game becoming Marvel Tapping Quest because of how fast he cleared nodes and how ridiculously easy he made the game. Grocket as well got plenty of calls for a nerf for the longest time and they are STILL the meta in the 4* tier today. Over time, the cries died down. Gambit’s have as well though they aren’t completely gone as evidenced by his thread. He likely got flagged because people were giving him reasoned discussion points on the need for a Gambit nerf and he basically called them whiny babies that aren't over OML's nerf. They're completely different beasts and most of us are well aware of that. As people have stated over and over, Panthos was never unbeatable. I found the best kryptonite for that team was Bolt/Surfer, an old school solution to the problem that was nearly always successful even when fighting Panthos at higher levels. You could try that team against Gamthor/Thorbit. Please do, and let me know how many times you win. The same honestly goes for Panthos against that duo. It gets melted pretty quickly, even if you get Panther in front of every red blast. The best team that I found was Strange and Thanos, because they could reliably shut down Gambit's powers with Infinite Power and Strange stun. It consumes a lot of health packs, is slow, and is guaranteed to get you slaughtered on defense. That's problematic. Gambit is bad for the game, has been for a long time, but the response by the playerbase of a potential nerf is feared by the decision makers after what happened with OML, and given the amount of money people poured into getting him champed and adding levels. He has effectively stalled out the game and forced you to view new characters by two specific criteria:1. Does the character rely on purple and red a la IW Captain America? If yes, please place directly in garbage bin. 2. Does the character mesh well with Gambit? If no, please place directly in garbage bin. There isn't much else to be said about that. I was looking at Okoye and thinking how much fun she would be with 5* Peter Parker, triggering her black multiple times with his green, only to realize that multi-colored combos are exceptionally difficult against a character that passively accelerates himself AND steals AP that you might need for said combo. The more moving pieces there are and the longer the setup, the more likely it just won't make a dent in the meta. THAT IS NOT GOOD. It's stale as all get-out.
Daredevil217 said: Gold_Dragon said:You wanna know the MAIN reason people are (still) calling for a nerf of Gambit? It’s because they’re still not over OML nerf. And not because he got nerfed. But the REASONING of it as well. So now, if a team/character gets too much use, the call for nerf goes out. Whoever is flagging every one of this guy’s posts as spam needs to quit. Just because you disagree, it does not mean he should be flagged. I hate when people abuse this system and I see it way too often for my liking. Jarvind said:The problem isn't just that he's overused. Panther/Thanos was overused, but I don't recall a whole lot of actual cries for a nerf, except maybe early on. I don’t know how long you’ve been playing, but there were absolutely cries for a nerf. I remember a huge thread about the game becoming Marvel Tapping Quest because of how fast he cleared nodes and how ridiculously easy he made the game. Grocket as well got plenty of calls for a nerf for the longest time and they are STILL the meta in the 4* tier today. Over time, the cries died down. Gambit’s have as well though they aren’t completely gone as evidenced by his thread.
Gold_Dragon said:You wanna know the MAIN reason people are (still) calling for a nerf of Gambit? It’s because they’re still not over OML nerf. And not because he got nerfed. But the REASONING of it as well. So now, if a team/character gets too much use, the call for nerf goes out.
ZeroKarma said:1. Hawkeye combo - In this case, you have to wait for Gambit to use his purple to hopefully stun him before he casts another purple. Yes, it can work, though you will often still find your cd removed and dead. If this is a Coulhawk combo then you are also going to get torn a new one on defense. [/quote]2. Captain America Infinity War - You are fighting for the same colors as the Gambit team, although he can get them faster than you can. Also, you can use Cap purple to stop Gambit red, which works until Gambit uses his purple to stop your purple, spamming red....you're dead. Also, CA doesn't do well on defense since the AI doesn't know how to use his purple.3. Archangel - Really? 550 Archangel's aren't scary if you have a 450 Gambit. If the argument is that there are other teams that can beat Gambit without Gambit, then that of course is true. However, I think there's more to it than that, including the fact that a non-Gambit team trying to climb on Gambit teams is going to get destroyed. I have ally mates that missed on Gambit. Trust me, life is not easy on the road to progression. And for the new people starting up that won't get a sniff of him until he enters a special store it will be even worse.
Gold_Dragon said: ZeroKarma said:1. Hawkeye combo - In this case, you have to wait for Gambit to use his purple to hopefully stun him before he casts another purple. Yes, it can work, though you will often still find your cd removed and dead. If this is a Coulhawk combo then you are also going to get torn a new one on defense. [/quote]2. Captain America Infinity War - You are fighting for the same colors as the Gambit team, although he can get them faster than you can. Also, you can use Cap purple to stop Gambit red, which works until Gambit uses his purple to stop your purple, spamming red....you're dead. Also, CA doesn't do well on defense since the AI doesn't know how to use his purple.3. Archangel - Really? 550 Archangel's aren't scary if you have a 450 Gambit. If the argument is that there are other teams that can beat Gambit without Gambit, then that of course is true. However, I think there's more to it than that, including the fact that a non-Gambit team trying to climb on Gambit teams is going to get destroyed. I have ally mates that missed on Gambit. Trust me, life is not easy on the road to progression. And for the new people starting up that won't get a sniff of him until he enters a special store it will be even worse. #1 of course you wait for Gambit to fire his purple. Not a big deal at all. 9/10 gambits are 3/5/5 so (as I already said) just wait, set off the CDs and punish. It’s gonna take him getting to 11/12 more to fire it again. It’s pretty much gonna take a miracle (not that it can’t happen because as we all know, RNG hates us) for him to fire off another purple before my CDs (most importantly, the 4 turn stun) hits him and I begin to lay waste to him and the rest of his team. #2 with Half/life thor, my red goes just as fast as Gambits black generates its purple and red (and many times, faster). Also, it takes 2 purple matches to completely shut gambit’s red or purple down. But you don’t fire it immediately. You wait until Gambit gets near firing range, THEN make him start over. Cap with half-life thor makes life easy vs Gambit because Thor is destroying all the green/red/yellow and usually, there’s purple all over. Getting 2 MWaC’s to fire off isn’t difficult at all. And you’re STILL getting green/red/yellow every turn. So it won’t take long to bust Gambit with 2 powers (maybe 3, sometimes it depends of course) before you get hit with 2 of Gambits red or he wipes out your purple with his. I run Cap/Thor/GRRR. My Cap isn’t even champed, but it’s not a pain to run them vs Gambit teams without B.B. as for defense...... again, if you’re really THAT worried about not having a Gambit team on defense, put him in, wipe a team out, move on. Or even put up a shield. If you’re at that 5* lvl, you’re gonna have more HP then you know what to do with anyway. It’s all about the climb to max. Im not gonna pretend it sucks for those that missed out on Gambit because he’s a good character. But just because he and B.B. are the meta doesn’t mean he needs another nerf. There will ALWAYS be oppressive teams in this game on defense. There seems to be this thought that if you nerf Gambit, more varied teams will open up. These people couldn’t be more wrong. All it’s going to do, is make the players gravitate to another oppressive team and you’ll then see that team everywhere. And I promise you, the crying to nerf whatever that is, will start right back up.
alaeth said: I want to use other Championed 5s, but I've played enough matches to know that Gambit vGambit is safest, most health-pack efficient, and fastest, which in top end PvP is all that matters...
alaeth said: @Gold_Dragon I'm not denying that other teams CAN defeat Gambit... however... it comes at a cost (typically health).If you're climbing from zero in PvP, aiming for a shield point (I try to aim for 900 or 1k), you need to be health-pack and resource efficient.The fact remains, with a 6AP swing EVERY TURN, Gambit allows for fast, safe, efficient climbing.
Gold_Dragon said: I reach 900 for the 4* cover. After that, usually, idc what happens. I might set up a shield if I feel especially greedy. I go for 300 in the first hr. Wait until under 24hrs and get 575 for 10 CP. usually I’ll have thor/GRRR on defense but on the climb to 575, it varies. I’ll come back under 8 hrs and push for 900. I do use Gambit/Thor on the trek from 800 to 900 vs some Gambits because i don’t want to stop that momentum and from 800-900 is a sore spot for me and by that time, my GRRR has taken a chunk of health and I simply want a change in variety with who I climb with. Of course, it depends on who the character the tourney is based on too. I don’t Shield until after 900 if I feel greedy. In SS, I reach 2000 for the 4* cover. After that, idc what happens.