alextfish wrote: Oh, you might also mention that the game does have a graveyard, it's just invisible; and it does have a library, which is also invisible. The library is initially created containing 4 of each card in your deck. When the library is emptied, or something (Gather the Pack, Seek the Wilds) searches deeper than the bottom of the library, another 4 of each card are shuffled and added to the bottom of it. This clears up several confusing things.
alextfish wrote: Tokens and non-destroy removal have a whole set of weird interactions. You can attempt to "bounce" a token (return it to hand). This destroys it instead and triggers "dies" effects. But most bounce spells will still only let you target a token if the opponent has 5 or fewer cards in hand. Top-of-library effects are even more confusing. Roil Spout can't target a token at all, but apparently Gone Missing can? Many spells that you might like to use on your own Zada, Hedron Grinder actually secretly have hidden "an opponent controls" conditions. This includes Turn Against (which doesn't say "opponent controls" like Act of Treason does). You can't even cast Processor Assault unless there's a void gem on the board. You can't even cast Cruel Revival unless there's a Zombie in your graveyard. Creatures that have summoning sickness don't actually count as disabled, though they have the exact same animation effect on them as disabled creatures do. So you can't use Roil's Retribution, Swift Reckoning etc on freshly-summoned creatures. When Runaway Carriage is blocked by a first striker, it only loses prevent damage after the first strike damage step! This might be a bug though.
Morphis wrote: - creature that give benefit to other creatures when they come in play, give benefit also to themselves. Lieutenant Thalia is an example of this. When she gets into play she Gains +4/4. 2/2 is for the point before this one(because a human entered the field) 2/2 is because she gives 2/2 to all humans in play(she is human).
alextfish wrote: Morphis wrote: - creature that give benefit to other creatures when they come in play, give benefit also to themselves. Lieutenant Thalia is an example of this. When she gets into play she Gains +4/4. 2/2 is for the point before this one(because a human entered the field) 2/2 is because she gives 2/2 to all humans in play(she is human). This is rather inconsistent. Diregraf Colossus (which works exactly the same way for Zombies) *used* to count himself (so he'd end up 5/5 if cast on an empty board), but that's just been changed and now he's 2/2 on an empty board. Has Thalia been changed, or is she just inconsistent?
Morphis wrote: - tokens. For paper players it is clear that tokens can't go to library, GY or hand. Since we cannot expect all people having paper experience I will add it. For the "some require non token, some require 5 or less in hand" and similar, if the description states it(and i don't recall any working against the description) there is not problem.
alextfish wrote: Morphis wrote: - tokens. For paper players it is clear that tokens can't go to library, GY or hand. Since we cannot expect all people having paper experience I will add it. For the "some require non token, some require 5 or less in hand" and similar, if the description states it(and i don't recall any working against the description) there is not problem. It's not quite as simple as that. In paper MtG, tokens can be bounced, exiled, put into library etc; they just immediately cease to exist after they're bounced or whatever. If I bounce your token Squirrel, this will trigger "Whenever a creature is returned to its owner's hand" but *not* trigger "Whenever a creature dies". In Hearthstone, tokens become full cards; if I bounce your token Totem then it goes into your hand and you can play it like anything else. MTGPQ isn't like either of these. If I target your token Squirrel with a bounce spell, instead of being bounced it will die, and trigger "Whenever a creature dies". And then there's Roil Spout not being able to target tokens, which is either a flat-out bug, or an extremely "not clear mechanic".
alextfish wrote: Got another one: When someone steals a creature using Exert Influence, Welcome to the Fold etc, when it dies it goes to *their graveyard not yours*. So *they* can get it back with Liliana's ultimate, and you can't. Different to how most CCGs work.
Rootbreaker wrote: When you steal a creature with a spell, it triggers enter play effects and cast a spell effects of the creature you stole. If you steal a creature until end of turn, and it dies before you give it back, your opponent will still be the one to benefit from its die trigger, and unlike permanent stealing, it goes to their graveyard.
Morphis wrote: Rootbreaker wrote: When you steal a creature with a spell, it triggers enter play effects and cast a spell effects of the creature you stole. If you steal a creature until end of turn, and it dies before you give it back, your opponent will still be the one to benefit from its die trigger, and unlike permanent stealing, it goes to their graveyard. Thanks for this, updating
jimilinho_ wrote: Morphis wrote: Rootbreaker wrote: When you steal a creature with a spell, it triggers enter play effects and cast a spell effects of the creature you stole. If you steal a creature until end of turn, and it dies before you give it back, your opponent will still be the one to benefit from its die trigger, and unlike permanent stealing, it goes to their graveyard. Thanks for this, updating I found this out when I cast Exert Influence on a forgotten Creation and got to watch my loaded hand hit the bin!
Morphis wrote: clues are counted as support when they enter the field only in these cases so far(other cases could exist): • they grant mana reduction to tyrant
knthrak wrote: Morphis wrote: clues are counted as support when they enter the field only in these cases so far(other cases could exist): • they grant mana reduction to tyrant I think I've seen oath of gideon provide a reduction of 5 to tyrant, one for the support, and one for each of the 4 creature tokens.
sageofhalo451 wrote: Clues trigger the effect of Blightcaster which gives -2/-2 until end of turn to the opponent's first creature. A Tamiyo's Journal paired with Blightcaster can keep minor enemies off the field automatically.
Reaganstorme wrote: You need a "Clues do not count as supports" section also. As per our discussions previously.