mgallop wrote: The more I think about it, the worse the top of the 4* rankings look. This kind of reminds me of the last ranking where LThor got the #1 slot despite being in the process of dropping into mediocrity. JG is not the best 4* character in the game, she's not even the best Green and Purple + a Passive 4* in the game. She is just worse than Ice and Rhulk, and she is less useful than HB and Cyke, just because there are 3 good Green/Purple 4s and only 2 good R 4s. Honestly, she might be worse than 4Pool at this point just because of how good his passive is at killing 5s. Also, Nova should be higher, though I think he just suffered from no one having him fully covered at this point. His yellow is basically an Overdrive into a Repulsor punch for 7 AP! And he has two other useful abilities!
Carpark wrote: There's no way JG should be this high, especially when her direct counter (Rulk) and a much better character (Iceman) are not directly behind her. All three share two colors and Iceman shares all colors. Let's think about this, Rulk has a cheaper and he drains her , so he is already beats her on that alone. You basically have to skip fighting Rulk if you use JG. Now Iceman has a better AoE than JG, for the same price no less and he also has a single target stun/nuke, AP drain and AP generation (or I should say tile generation). So the only thing she has over Iceman is special tile creation/destruction and a failry easy to avoid passive? So outside of getting "cascaded" to death she seems inferior every time. From my personal experience I have no real issues beating her Jeanbuster teams, at worst she does 1 AoE attack before dying, and even that's when the AI gets lucky. Rulk is super annoying to fight by comparison, as I never seem to kill him before he does his , sometimes a couple of times too because of his high health. And Iceman's does a lot more damage compared to JG, not to mention his spammable stun that slows down the game a lot more than JG passive and given enough AP almost oneshots a character.
Sandwichboy wrote: What really surprises me is how even after IM40s buff he's still so low ranked (personally I'd put him at #1 for anyone in the 4* transition), and what the hell is Miles doing so far down?
Quebbster wrote: Jean is very useful in PvE though with her ability to just wipe out countdowns, and Rulk is definitely less useful there. Iceman is also a great PvE guy though, so I am unsure who would get the top spot.
stowaway wrote: Quebbster wrote: Jean is very useful in PvE though with her ability to just wipe out countdowns, and Rulk is definitely less useful there. Iceman is also a great PvE guy though, so I am unsure who would get the top spot. PvE is generally sidelined in these discussions, and a few weeks ago I would have said that Jean is the best 4* for PvE, and deserves a little inflation in the rankings because of it (like Steve Rogers in the 3* tier). IM40 changed that for me. Heck, Jean is buffed in the current PvE, and Iceman isn't, and I'm still using Ice ahead of her. 3 Recharges, collecting blue along the way, and it's stun-kill-stun, with 4 leisurely turns to figure out what to do next.
Quebbster wrote: stowaway wrote: Quebbster wrote: Jean is very useful in PvE though with her ability to just wipe out countdowns, and Rulk is definitely less useful there. Iceman is also a great PvE guy though, so I am unsure who would get the top spot. PvE is generally sidelined in these discussions, and a few weeks ago I would have said that Jean is the best 4* for PvE, and deserves a little inflation in the rankings because of it (like Steve Rogers in the 3* tier). IM40 changed that for me. Heck, Jean is buffed in the current PvE, and Iceman isn't, and I'm still using Ice ahead of her. 3 Recharges, collecting blue along the way, and it's stun-kill-stun, with 4 leisurely turns to figure out what to do next. I'm just using IM40 and the X-force twins. One Recharge and it's game over with them too.
Pylgrim wrote: Quebbster wrote: stowaway wrote: Quebbster wrote: Jean is very useful in PvE though with her ability to just wipe out countdowns, and Rulk is definitely less useful there. Iceman is also a great PvE guy though, so I am unsure who would get the top spot. PvE is generally sidelined in these discussions, and a few weeks ago I would have said that Jean is the best 4* for PvE, and deserves a little inflation in the rankings because of it (like Steve Rogers in the 3* tier). IM40 changed that for me. Heck, Jean is buffed in the current PvE, and Iceman isn't, and I'm still using Ice ahead of her. 3 Recharges, collecting blue along the way, and it's stun-kill-stun, with 4 leisurely turns to figure out what to do next. I'm just using IM40 and the X-force twins. One Recharge and it's game over with them too. Uh? I'm not getting it. How's recharge useful with those two if it doesn't produce black and not that much purple?
Vhailorx wrote: That's always been true Quebbster. My 5/5/1 im40 was a frequent partner for xpool pre-buff, but only in low value nodes. Im40 was too much of a liability otherwise. But post-nerf that's still true. Recharge is great for xpool's red, but that blue still sucks, and recharge doesn't help xfw's black at all. Doesn't seem like a great combo for difficult nodes to me.
Quebbster wrote: Vhailorx wrote: That's always been true Quebbster. My 5/5/1 im40 was a frequent partner for xpool pre-buff, but only in low value nodes. Im40 was too much of a liability otherwise. But post-nerf that's still true. Recharge is great for xpool's red, but that blue still sucks, and recharge doesn't help xfw's black at all. Doesn't seem like a great combo for difficult nodes to me. It works for me against level 300 Juggernaut/Ares combos, so I'm not going to complain. Game is usually over Before Iron Man unstuns himself, but if he happens to come back it's nice to have a blue outlet at least, not to mention that both Ballistic Salvo and X-force can help destroy Countdown for What? tiles...
rkd80 wrote: I too find these rankings to be odd at best and conflicting/contradictory with every other ranking done by the high end players. Thor4* and XF appear to be way too high. XF especially is very low tier and his usage is extremely limited in pvp/pve, even when boosted people opt for better choices. One can easily debate the top 5 and whether or not JG deserves the coveted top prize, but I am much more perplexed by the remainder of the list. Something just does not quite add up here.