onimus wrote: You can't vary your playstyle on defense. I wish you could program the AI, but you can't. If you put a level 5 Zerker rage in AI's hand, they'll fire it off as soon as possible. And if the enemy has a hulk or a Captain Marvel, they will put that character in front, giving them, in hulk's case, endless green and AoE damage or in Cap Marvel's case, endless red and black. Level 3 or even level 4 is much safer when dealing with Patch from a defensive perspective.
NorthernPolarity wrote: atomzed wrote: I disagree with your recommended build for patch. 355, to me, is the *least* versatile build. 355 require you to plan your team around patch, such that he tanks as many color as he can. If not, TBTI won't be game ending as you are not doing enough dmg. This means you have to like be concerned about his placement, his level relative to others.... I will argue that 535 is the *most* versatile build. Simply because you don't have to babysit the team set up. You just have to vary your playing style, to take care of the strike tiles. To put another spin, if you are playing patch with 2 max 4* (thoress and fury for example). Patch won't be tanking any color and his Tbti would deal 0 dmg. But if you have him at 535, life goes on as normal. That's *versatility*. Patch is still top 10 quality because the ability to play *forever* with ldaken is invaluable. Hence 5 yellow is pretty much a must. I think you missed his point. You don't go 3/5/5 because you want to use TBTI, you go 3/5/5 because you DONT want to give the enemy 6 strike tiles. 3/5/5 is "versatile" because you can use berzerker rage whenever you are able to match-3 on purple and only deal with 1-2 strike tiles, as opposed to 5/3/5 where you might have to deal with 3-4. I see a lot of posts here where people think that 5 green is strictly superior to 3 green, and that's just not how it works. With 5/3/5, you need to build your team around the fact that once you rage, you need to burst down the enemy team ASAP, and as such probably have to bring cheap spells and / or hoard your powers (which is varying playstyle like you said). TBTI is completely irrelevant when talking about Patch builds: all that matters is how many strike tiles you want zerker rage to give to you and the opponent.
atomzed wrote: I disagree with your recommended build for patch. 355, to me, is the *least* versatile build. 355 require you to plan your team around patch, such that he tanks as many color as he can. If not, TBTI won't be game ending as you are not doing enough dmg. This means you have to like be concerned about his placement, his level relative to others.... I will argue that 535 is the *most* versatile build. Simply because you don't have to babysit the team set up. You just have to vary your playing style, to take care of the strike tiles. To put another spin, if you are playing patch with 2 max 4* (thoress and fury for example). Patch won't be tanking any color and his Tbti would deal 0 dmg. But if you have him at 535, life goes on as normal. That's *versatility*. Patch is still top 10 quality because the ability to play *forever* with ldaken is invaluable. Hence 5 yellow is pretty much a must.
HawkeyeSucks wrote: We can conclude from process of elimination that top3 are (in no particular order) X-Force , and That means the top3 s are 2/5ths of top5 are . This game has changed
Orangecrush wrote: Yeah, 4 stars means something now.
atomzed wrote: onimus wrote: You can't vary your playstyle on defense. I wish you could program the AI, but you can't. If you put a level 5 Zerker rage in AI's hand, they'll fire it off as soon as possible. And if the enemy has a hulk or a Captain Marvel, they will put that character in front, giving them, in hulk's case, endless green and AoE damage or in Cap Marvel's case, endless red and black. Level 3 or even level 4 is much safer when dealing with Patch from a defensive perspective. Btw it doesn't matter whether you have 3 or 5 green. The opponent hulk and capt marvel would still have his/ her power trigger with the strike tiles in board. I do get it that hulk anger aoe will be less... But really defence is a non factor for me.
locked wrote: Predictions (Captain Obvious presents): Top 10: X-Force, Sentry, Hood, lazyThor, Black Panther, cMagneto, Patch, lazyDaken, Nick Fury, Hulk - with the exception of cMagneto (replaced by lazyCap) which is wrong since cMagneto is just as good in PvE if not better, and miles better in PvP >< Highest climb: X-Force - seems to be true Lowest drop: modern Storm - seems to be true Lowest new: Beast followed by Mohawk Storm - Beast followed by She-Hulk (okaaaay, guess She-Hulk's 10200 loses to Mohawk's 5100 health on the basis of all three Mohawk skills actually being decent-ish when Shulk only has red) Highest new: Nick Fury followed by Captain Marvel - Nick Fury followed by Deadpool with Captain Marvel trailing close Too good for their stars: oBW, Ares - obvious Too bad for their stars: IW, Daredevil - obvious Best 2*: oBW - obvious Best 1*: mBW (team-up power!) - Juggernaut which was predictable honestly, I just adore Widow's Sting team-ups Most controversial: She-Hulk/Spider-Man? - no idea Most agreed on: Yelena - 176 lowest votes? You bet!
MarcusGraves wrote: Budget Player Cadet wrote: Just worse than Hood and Daken at the very least. not even close, Hood would be a mediocre character w/o his passive which is also the main reason you use him and why he places so high but he also has an abysmally low HP amount of 5100 which hurts his value.
Budget Player Cadet wrote: Just worse than Hood and Daken at the very least.
locked wrote: Most controversial: She-Hulk/Spider-Man? - no idea
Budget Player Cadet wrote: MarcusGraves wrote: Budget Player Cadet wrote: Just worse than Hood and Daken at the very least. not even close, Hood would be a mediocre character w/o his passive which is also the main reason you use him and why he places so high but he also has an abysmally low HP amount of 5100 which hurts his value. Yes, and remove everything that makes Thor good and you have a bad character. Yeah, Hood has one good ability and low HP. That ability happens to be by far the best passive skill in the game. The point is, in the current meta, hood is not just the go-to support character, he's The Support Character, full stop. Every serious tank heavily benefits from his inclusion. There's almost no-one better to team with. This might change with Blade, but Hood is basically the 3* analogue to OBW. And nobody questions her role.
A tip for using Rage of the Panther: if you know what color RotP will give the opponent (and you should!) and can use it to kill off a character, it grants AP before it does damage. Often I’ve managed to leave the opponent with a pile of AP they just can’t do anything with because the hero that could’ve used it died that turn. Fun stuff.
Wolarsen wrote: A tip for using Rage of the Panther: if you know what color RotP will give the opponent (and you should!) and can use it to kill off a character, it grants AP before it does damage. Often I’ve managed to leave the opponent with a pile of AP they just can’t do anything with because the hero that could’ve used it died that turn. Fun stuff. Even more, the strongest colour is kept even if it belongs to an already killed enemy before using RotP
Budget Player Cadet wrote: Yes, and remove everything that makes Thor good and you have a bad character. Yeah, Hood has one good ability and low HP. That ability happens to be by far the best passive skill in the game. The point is, in the current meta, hood is not just the go-to support character, he's The Support Character, full stop. Every serious tank heavily benefits from his inclusion. There's almost no-one better to team with. This might change with Blade, but Hood is basically the 3* analogue to OBW. And nobody questions her role.
MarcusGraves wrote: Budget Player Cadet wrote: Yes, and remove everything that makes Thor good and you have a bad character. Yeah, Hood has one good ability and low HP. That ability happens to be by far the best passive skill in the game. The point is, in the current meta, hood is not just the go-to support character, he's The Support Character, full stop. Every serious tank heavily benefits from his inclusion. There's almost no-one better to team with. This might change with Blade, but Hood is basically the 3* analogue to OBW. And nobody questions her role. but guess what? Hood isn't the one that does the heavy lifting on teams because while yeah his passive is a massive battery for characters, he himself is not scary. he'll get your team their powers faster, but its not like they can't carry on w/o him should he ever die.
atomzed wrote: NorthernPolarity wrote: atomzed wrote: I disagree with your recommended build for patch. 355, to me, is the *least* versatile build. 355 require you to plan your team around patch, such that he tanks as many color as he can. If not, TBTI won't be game ending as you are not doing enough dmg. This means you have to like be concerned about his placement, his level relative to others.... I will argue that 535 is the *most* versatile build. Simply because you don't have to babysit the team set up. You just have to vary your playing style, to take care of the strike tiles. To put another spin, if you are playing patch with 2 max 4* (thoress and fury for example). Patch won't be tanking any color and his Tbti would deal 0 dmg. But if you have him at 535, life goes on as normal. That's *versatility*. Patch is still top 10 quality because the ability to play *forever* with ldaken is invaluable. Hence 5 yellow is pretty much a must. I think you missed his point. You don't go 3/5/5 because you want to use TBTI, you go 3/5/5 because you DONT want to give the enemy 6 strike tiles. 3/5/5 is "versatile" because you can use berzerker rage whenever you are able to match-3 on purple and only deal with 1-2 strike tiles, as opposed to 5/3/5 where you might have to deal with 3-4. I see a lot of posts here where people think that 5 green is strictly superior to 3 green, and that's just not how it works. With 5/3/5, you need to build your team around the fact that once you rage, you need to burst down the enemy team ASAP, and as such probably have to bring cheap spells and / or hoard your powers (which is varying playstyle like you said). TBTI is completely irrelevant when talking about Patch builds: all that matters is how many strike tiles you want zerker rage to give to you and the opponent. .fair point that you want less strike tiles to opponent. But I still dont get it. Let me explain my reasons. Let's say 3 green gives 600 dmg more to yourself and enemy. You cast it, thinking that "yeah, I deal more dmg to the enemy, but also less dmg to myself than 5 green". But wait a min, you are still doing 600 more dmg to yourself than before you fire 3 green. That 600 more dmg will still likely overwhelm the heal of patch. You *are* still taking more dmg when you cast berserker strike regardless of having it 535 or 355. My logic for 5 green is: go max dmg and end the game as quickly as possible. So in my games with patch, I look for opportunity to kill the enemy with the 5 green. So what if I'm taking match dmg before firing berserker strike? Patch can tank them and heal them back. When I calculate that I can kill off the enemy team (typically only 2 characters left on enemy team), I make my move and cast berskerer strike. Cast another move (usually ldaken blue, which would convert some of the red strike tiles on board). Take a match. Just this 3 step, you would have dish out 6000 dmg (rough feel, didn't calculate). With such an approach, you look for opportunies to deal more dmg to the opponent team, typically in the form of taking more moves. Bec You get more dmg from his strike tiles when you take more moves. Say you have 2 ability waiting to be fire. That's x2 of patch dmg. See a swap that match 2 sets of colors? That's x2 of patch dmg. Saw a match 5? That's another x2 of patch dmg. All goons match and you have multiple turns in a row? That's x amount more of berserker strike tiles dmg free. In short, I don't see a problem with 5 green because I use it to end the game quickly. Hence I don't see a point with More strike tiles. I don't understand why 3 green is better because the logic of "damage mitigation" in 3 green, also means that you deal less dmg to the opponent, while also taking more dmg than before you cast berserker strike. (Edit: the defence point brought up by ominus is valid. But I just don't care about defence because my assumption is that all defence would lose anyway. And maybe bec I only use patch and ldaken in the climb, I don't rate defence so importantly as a 2* to 3* transition players. I would typically swap to Xforce once i reach 500 points.)
Spoit wrote: Budget Player Cadet wrote: MarcusGraves wrote: Budget Player Cadet wrote: Just worse than Hood and Daken at the very least. not even close, Hood would be a mediocre character w/o his passive which is also the main reason you use him and why he places so high but he also has an abysmally low HP amount of 5100 which hurts his value. Yes, and remove everything that makes Thor good and you have a bad character. Yeah, Hood has one good ability and low HP. That ability happens to be by far the best passive skill in the game. The point is, in the current meta, hood is not just the go-to support character, he's The Support Character, full stop. Every serious tank heavily benefits from his inclusion. There's almost no-one better to team with. This might change with Blade, but Hood is basically the 3* analogue to OBW. And nobody questions her role. That's because they did a hatchet job on the only other viable 3* support character. Moreso the color changes than the reduction, but still