locked wrote: Marcus: I invite your BP/LT/say, IM 40 team to kill my Hood/Pun/oBW team...
Budget Player Cadet wrote: Yes, just like technically the pulley assembly didn't do the heavy lifting in the construction project - that was the guy at the end of the rope. However, lemme tell you, getting those boulders up that wall without it would be a pain. Hood on his own is not scary. But how often is he alone? The reason Hood is good is not because he's a powerhouse. It's because there is not a powerhouse in the game that does not benefit from his presence. And even when he does die (and this is ignoring attempts to protect him on offense, which is totally a thing), by the time you've eaten through that life you've more likely than not taken the equivalent of at least one Aggressive Recon, all without needing to gather any AP of your own. On offense, you try to protect him; on defense, by the time the enemy has killed him, you've still got a massive tank to deal with and that tank is probably ready to go off. You're either seriously underestimating how valuable hood is, or you're inherently devaluing support characters.
Budget Player Cadet wrote: (Oh, and for the record: I beat the 395 super thor in the sim something like 10 times with OBW+Hood+Patch. Patch ended up dying each match before being a factor.
MarcusGraves wrote: locked wrote: Marcus: I invite your BP/LT/say, IM 40 team to kill my Hood/Pun/oBW team... dunno why i'd use that team since I'd have 3 characters fighting to use yellow and IM40 is turd, if I was to fight pun/hood/OBW I'd use something like Daken/patch/BP, kill OBW first because she has the lowest HP, kill pun who is the real damage then knock out hood.
locked wrote: The point is, some of the really big damage demands some really big AP. You say Patch, XF, Sentry, Daken, Fury, LT, BP are all better than Hood since they do the damage. Does it mean that Hood is worthless without/against them? No, since Hood makes _everyone_ stronger, including, say 2*s and weaker 3*s. Ares, Pun, HT, Psylocke all turn into legitimate threats when fueled by AP steal. If not to victory, to healthpacks for sure.
MarcusGraves wrote: locked wrote: The point is, some of the really big damage demands some really big AP. You say Patch, XF, Sentry, Daken, Fury, LT, BP are all better than Hood since they do the damage. Does it mean that Hood is worthless without/against them? No, since Hood makes _everyone_ stronger, including, say 2*s and weaker 3*s. Ares, Pun, HT, Psylocke all turn into legitimate threats when fueled by AP steal. If not to victory, to healthpacks for sure. alright everyone stop putting words in my mouth and making assumptions about what I think about the character, never EVER did I say that hood is either A) trash or worthless. I am well aware of his power, his passive is good, god damn good, I don't need to constantly be reminded about how good it is. the original issue that was being discussed was why hood isn't in the top 5 and why thor is placed above him even so much as to be in the top 3 as asked by cadet. I answered, he disagreed and we've devolved into this. really though, got a problem with the rankings? get active in your forum community and vote, make a difference, but until Hood gets something like an increase in HP I can't see him cracking top 5, having the lowest HP of 3*s WILL lower the character's rating on the polls. washing my hands of this whole thing since people seem to get really touche about hood.
jralbino wrote: I think the problem here is that this Hood debate is the classic sports MVP discussion. Are we talking about the "best" or most valuable? For me, if you forced me to start shedding characters, one by one, starting with Yelena and moving up, I promise you Hood would still be left when I had 3 characters left. That means he has very high "value" for me. Meanwhile, if you just look at his "stats" so to speak, he's a .280 hitter, with 3 home runs, 65 stolen bases, and 120 runs scored. No one would call that the best player in the game, but your team is going to have a much tougher time winning without him. To take it further, if I'm building my line up, I'm putting him and a solid 3 and 4 hitter in my lineup and worrying about the rest later.
locked wrote: I personally am disappointed people don't appreciate the good things, but then again the low ranking (Nick Fury was definitely overrated) is better for those that choose to run Hood.
Budget Player Cadet wrote: Yeah, jralbino nailed it, and Locked's explanation is also spot-on. Post-Sentry, Hood/XForce will probably be the best two-man team in the game, and almost any other top contender will contain one or the other. Coincidence? I think not. Currently, best in the game goes cleanly to Hood/Sentry. Why? Because he teams with any big, slow tank perfectly.
loroku wrote: But based on the heat chart, I think it's actually going to be: 3) Sentry, 2) Thor, 1) X force. The reason is because #3 got a LOT of #1 votes. More than anyone else. But thanks to a lot of lower votes, the average result (and thus, rank) ended up lower. Since Sentry is widely regarded the best - but also a bit controversially so - I think this caused him to drop just out of the top. He IS the best - but he's not the best for every player. Thus the spread. Meanwhile #2 got VERY few #1 votes. They didn't even get a lot of #2 votes! But they got a LOT of "top 5" votes and basically no votes (only 6!) outside the top 10, which means their average came out #2. Thor is NOT top two - but almost no one denies he is top 5. Which means he ended up #2 in rank. Finally the #1 spot got a TON of #1 and #2 votes, with very little else, and frankly that describes Xforce to a tee. He's not controversially powerful: it just depends on whether or not you think he's top or second. Which apparently averages out to mean "top."