Character rankings 10/14 edition: the results!

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  • MarcusGraves
    MarcusGraves Posts: 495 Mover and Shaker
    locked wrote:

    Marcus: I invite your BP/LT/say, IM 40 team to kill my Hood/Pun/oBW team...

    dunno why i'd use that team since I'd have 3 characters fighting to use yellow and IM40 is turd, if I was to fight pun/hood/OBW I'd use something like Daken/patch/BP, kill OBW first because she has the lowest HP, kill pun who is the real damage then knock out hood.
  • MarcusGraves
    MarcusGraves Posts: 495 Mover and Shaker
    Budget Player Cadet wrote:

    Yes, just like technically the pulley assembly didn't do the heavy lifting in the construction project - that was the guy at the end of the rope. However, lemme tell you, getting those boulders up that wall without it would be a pain.

    Hood on his own is not scary. But how often is he alone? The reason Hood is good is not because he's a powerhouse. It's because there is not a powerhouse in the game that does not benefit from his presence. And even when he does die (and this is ignoring attempts to protect him on offense, which is totally a thing), by the time you've eaten through that life you've more likely than not taken the equivalent of at least one Aggressive Recon, all without needing to gather any AP of your own. On offense, you try to protect him; on defense, by the time the enemy has killed him, you've still got a massive tank to deal with and that tank is probably ready to go off. You're either seriously underestimating how valuable hood is, or you're inherently devaluing support characters.

    i'm not undervaluing him or what support is and you missed the part where I said why he places where he is, NO DAMAGE. all he does is get your team moving faster, thats neat and all but damage is what ends the game, hood's passive gets you there faster which is good but it doesn't do the actual ending of the game.

    doesn't belong in top 5 or 3, 7th could be argued but 8th seems really correct for him.
    Budget Player Cadet wrote:
    (Oh, and for the record: I beat the 395 super thor in the sim something like 10 times with OBW+Hood+Patch. Patch ended up dying each match before being a factor.

    um k, 3 vs 1, not seeing why this is super special, could probably more effectively do the same thing with OBW/hood/cap and lock down the 1 guy with stun.
  • over_clocked
    over_clocked Posts: 3,961
    MarcusGraves wrote:
    locked wrote:

    Marcus: I invite your BP/LT/say, IM 40 team to kill my Hood/Pun/oBW team...

    dunno why i'd use that team since I'd have 3 characters fighting to use yellow and IM40 is turd, if I was to fight pun/hood/OBW I'd use something like Daken/patch/BP, kill OBW first because she has the lowest HP, kill pun who is the real damage then knock out hood.
    The point is, some of the really big damage demands some really big AP. You say Patch, XF, Sentry, Daken, Fury, LT, BP are all better than Hood since they do the damage.
    Does it mean that Hood is worthless without/against them? No, since Hood makes _everyone_ stronger, including, say 2*s and weaker 3*s. Ares, Pun, HT, Psylocke all turn into legitimate threats when fueled by AP steal. If not to victory, to healthpacks for sure.
    Even weaker support characters can be deadly annoying with Hood, like Spider-Man and Loki and Daredevil. And of course while Patch/Daken are plenty strong against Hood since they can usually take on some minor damage and shrug it off while placing strike tiles (Daken tiles, at any rate), especially if you add Blade/Psylocke/Falcon, but not so much X-Force, LT, Sentry, Fury and BP, meaning the majority of the rest of t10 damage dealers. Prior to Patchneto and level shift I used to eat featured/LT/BP teams for breakfast with my oBW/Hood/Pun, for example. Which is why I mentioned LT and BP specifically.

    Sure we can take on top Hood teams with X-Force/not-Hood since we can usually down Hood with the very first X-Force green but to do that we usually boost 2 green/black and then hunt down 2 green matches since otherwise we might get uncomfortably close to being toasted.

    And does the ingredient that makes everything better, like salt, deserve to be underrated?

    Kinda related: I found Boz Koh's XF/Hood team in the Octopus LR and Hood was lvl 60 (base 40, just the buff to 60), so he had less health than oBW but 5 blue. Of course I was curious why the underleveled Hood, was it a trap?
    I charged in with a damaged XF/Magneto/Octopus, nonboosted of course (lvl 60 Hood? He shrivels if you, like, LOOK at him!) and promptly wiped.
    I was starting to lose even when close to downing the squishy thief (who I focused first, of course). That got me even more curious not to mention angry at myself, I found the same team and tried it again, with XF/Daken (not a good idea, Octopus likes to proc against Daken), and then XF/my own Hood because it was the most sensible thing to do from the start anyway. I won those two but that perfectly shows how dangerous Hood is at base health, from the get-go, from the first turn he is allowed to live to the very last one, be it just 2-3 turns or a bitter dozen.
    Which, need I remind you, brings you closer to being toast.
  • MarcusGraves
    MarcusGraves Posts: 495 Mover and Shaker
    locked wrote:
    The point is, some of the really big damage demands some really big AP. You say Patch, XF, Sentry, Daken, Fury, LT, BP are all better than Hood since they do the damage.
    Does it mean that Hood is worthless without/against them? No, since Hood makes _everyone_ stronger, including, say 2*s and weaker 3*s. Ares, Pun, HT, Psylocke all turn into legitimate threats when fueled by AP steal. If not to victory, to healthpacks for sure.

    alright everyone stop putting words in my mouth and making assumptions about what I think about the character, never EVER did I say that hood is either A) trash or B) worthless. I am well aware of his power, his passive is good, god damn good, I don't need to constantly be reminded about how good it is.

    the original issue that was being discussed was why hood isn't in the top 5 and why thor is placed above him even so much as to be in the top 3 as asked by cadet. I answered, he disagreed and we've devolved into this. really though, got a problem with the rankings? get active in your forum community and vote, make a difference, but until Hood gets something like an increase in HP I can't see him cracking top 5, having the lowest HP of 3*s WILL lower the character's rating on the polls.

    washing my hands of this whole thing since people seem to get really touche about hood.
  • over_clocked
    over_clocked Posts: 3,961
    MarcusGraves wrote:
    locked wrote:
    The point is, some of the really big damage demands some really big AP. You say Patch, XF, Sentry, Daken, Fury, LT, BP are all better than Hood since they do the damage.
    Does it mean that Hood is worthless without/against them? No, since Hood makes _everyone_ stronger, including, say 2*s and weaker 3*s. Ares, Pun, HT, Psylocke all turn into legitimate threats when fueled by AP steal. If not to victory, to healthpacks for sure.

    alright everyone stop putting words in my mouth and making assumptions about what I think about the character, never EVER did I say that hood is either A) trash or B) worthless. I am well aware of his power, his passive is good, god damn good, I don't need to constantly be reminded about how good it is.

    the original issue that was being discussed was why hood isn't in the top 5 and why thor is placed above him even so much as to be in the top 3 as asked by cadet. I answered, he disagreed and we've devolved into this. really though, got a problem with the rankings? get active in your forum community and vote, make a difference, but until Hood gets something like an increase in HP I can't see him cracking top 5, having the lowest HP of 3*s WILL lower the character's rating on the polls.

    washing my hands of this whole thing since people seem to get really touche about hood.
    Haha chill, I was not putting words in your mouth but you seem to overvalue damage/health and undervalue teamplay/comboability which has been brought up already.
    I personally am disappointed people don't appreciate the good things, but then again the low ranking (Nick Fury was definitely overrated) is better for those that choose to run Hood.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    MarcusGraves wrote:
    locked wrote:
    The point is, some of the really big damage demands some really big AP. You say Patch, XF, Sentry, Daken, Fury, LT, BP are all better than Hood since they do the damage.
    Does it mean that Hood is worthless without/against them? No, since Hood makes _everyone_ stronger, including, say 2*s and weaker 3*s. Ares, Pun, HT, Psylocke all turn into legitimate threats when fueled by AP steal. If not to victory, to healthpacks for sure.

    alright everyone stop putting words in my mouth and making assumptions about what I think about the character, never EVER did I say that hood is either A) trash or B) worthless. I am well aware of his power, his passive is good, god damn good, I don't need to constantly be reminded about how good it is.

    the original issue that was being discussed was why hood isn't in the top 5 and why thor is placed above him even so much as to be in the top 3 as asked by cadet. I answered, he disagreed and we've devolved into this. really though, got a problem with the rankings? get active in your forum community and vote, make a difference, but until Hood gets something like an increase in HP I can't see him cracking top 5, having the lowest HP of 3*s WILL lower the character's rating on the polls.

    washing my hands of this whole thing since people seem to get really touche about hood.

    I think the problem here is that this Hood debate is the classic sports MVP discussion. Are we talking about the "best" or most valuable? For me, if you forced me to start shedding characters, one by one, starting with Yelena and moving up, I promise you Hood would still be left when I had 3 characters left. That means he has very high "value" for me. Meanwhile, if you just look at his "stats" so to speak, he's a .280 hitter, with 3 home runs, 65 stolen bases, and 120 runs scored. No one would call that the best player in the game, but your team is going to have a much tougher time winning without him. To take it further, if I'm building my line up, I'm putting him and a solid 3 and 4 hitter in my lineup and worrying about the rest later.
  • MarcusGraves
    MarcusGraves Posts: 495 Mover and Shaker
    jralbino wrote:

    I think the problem here is that this Hood debate is the classic sports MVP discussion. Are we talking about the "best" or most valuable? For me, if you forced me to start shedding characters, one by one, starting with Yelena and moving up, I promise you Hood would still be left when I had 3 characters left. That means he has very high "value" for me. Meanwhile, if you just look at his "stats" so to speak, he's a .280 hitter, with 3 home runs, 65 stolen bases, and 120 runs scored. No one would call that the best player in the game, but your team is going to have a much tougher time winning without him. To take it further, if I'm building my line up, I'm putting him and a solid 3 and 4 hitter in my lineup and worrying about the rest later.

    I can't sport, but I understand the gist of this
    locked wrote:
    I personally am disappointed people don't appreciate the good things, but then again the low ranking (Nick Fury was definitely overrated) is better for those that choose to run Hood.

    I was shocked to see fury as high as he is, I expected him somewhere between 15-8 not in 4th
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Yeah, jralbino nailed it, and Locked's explanation is also spot-on. Post-Sentry, Hood/XForce will probably be the best two-man team in the game, and almost any other top contender will contain one or the other. Coincidence? I think not. Currently, best in the game goes cleanly to Hood/Sentry. Why? Because he teams with any big, slow tank perfectly.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    Hood is the soup or the dessert or the salad. Thor, X-Force, Sentry and the like are the delicious beef of the team.
  • Nonce Equitaur 2
    Nonce Equitaur 2 Posts: 2,269 Chairperson of the Boards
    Budget Player Cadet wrote:
    Yeah, jralbino nailed it, and Locked's explanation is also spot-on. Post-Sentry, Hood/XForce will probably be the best two-man team in the game, and almost any other top contender will contain one or the other. Coincidence? I think not. Currently, best in the game goes cleanly to Hood/Sentry. Why? Because he teams with any big, slow tank perfectly.

    X-Force/Hood is an okay team. Once you start collecting blacktile.pnggreentile.png , Hood stops helping. They're a three color team, easily defeated on a purpletile.pngredtile.pngbluetile.pngtutile.png heavy board.

    From experience, X-Force partners better with Magneto, Deadpool, and Captain America for having an outlet for odd collected colors. Partners Captain Marvel, Daken, and Hulk can speed up X-Force.

    Human Torch / Daken is great on offence, but slightly risky. I've used them to take down X-Force and Sentry.
  • Kiamodo
    Kiamodo Posts: 423 Mover and Shaker
    To me hood,xforce,DP is the new premier team. They cover a huge spectrum of the colors and share very good synergy with one another. While not unbeatable by any means they are a greater deterant than almost any other team and can lengthen the time a match lasts. They are also very quick on offense. When sentry is eventually changed I see these guys as the premier team for shield hopping.
  • Nonce Equitaur 2
    Nonce Equitaur 2 Posts: 2,269 Chairperson of the Boards
    I've made a special edition of my character block from the Character Compendium.

    rank Max Tile Damage .. Crit .... Power cost ....... Max HP .. Namelink to stats (link to discussion)
    01 64/09/11/10/82/73/4.0 - _9/__/__/__/_8/11 -10960- [goto=wolverine4]Wolverine[/goto] (X-Force)
    02 70/79/12/11/61/13/3.5 - 12/_8/__/__/14/__ -10200- [goto=thor3]Thor[/goto] (Modern)
    03 61/79/13/11/70/12/3.0 - _8/11/__/__/_7/__ -10200- [goto=sentry3]Sentry[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
    03 73/82/64/09/10/11/3.5 - 12/10/_9/__/__/__ -16440 - [goto=thor4]Thor[/goto] (Goddess of Thunder)
    04 82/10/73/64/11/09/3.5 - 12/__/10/12/__/__ - 9590 - [goto=nickfury4]Nick Fury[/goto] (Director of SHIELD)
    05 11/12/61/70/13/79/4.0 - __/__/_5/PA/__/PA - 6800 - [goto=daken3]Daken[/goto] (Classic)
    06 79/13/70/12/11/61/3.5 - _9/__/_8/__/__/12 - 8500 - [goto=blackpanther3]Black Panther[/goto] (Man Without Fear)
    07 61/70/13/12/79/11/4.0 - PA/14/__/__/_9/__ - 6800 - [goto=wolverine3]Wolverine[/goto] (Patch)
    08 79/13/70/12/11/61/4.5 - 15/__/PA/__/__/_9 - 5100 - [goto=thehood3]The Hood[/goto] (Classic)
    09 12/13/11/70/61/79/4.5 - __/__/__/10/PA/_8 - 6800 - [goto=blade3]Blade[/goto] (Classic)
    09 79/70/61/11/12/13/3.0 - 19/11/12/__/__/__ - 8500 - [goto=captainamerica3]Captain America[/goto] (Steve Rogers)
    10 12/70/13/11/79/61/3.0 - __/14/__/__/10/PA -11475- [goto=thehulk3]The Hulk[/goto] (Indestructible)
    11 11/61/12/13/70/79/4.0 - __/_8/__/__/_8/_7 - 6800 - [goto=thepunisher3]The Punisher[/goto] (Dark Reign)
    11 11/73/09/64/82/10/3.0 - __/_7/__/_3/_7/__ -19180- [goto=devildino4]Devil Dinosaur[/goto] (Gigantic Reptile)
    12 61/70/79/11/12/13/3.2 - _9/_8/10/__/__/__ - 6800 - [goto=magneto3]Magneto[/goto] (Classic)
    13 13/79/12/11/61/70/3.0 - __/_8/__/__/_5/10 - 5950 - [goto=humantorch3]Human Torch[/goto] (Classic)
    14 13/61/11/79/12/70/4.5 - __/_6/__/14/__/PA - 6800 - [goto=deadpool3]Deadpool[/goto] (It's Me, Deadpool)
    15 11/79/70/13/12/61/3.8 - __/_8/10/__/__/_6 - 6800 - [goto=psylocke3]Psylocke[/goto] (Classic)
    16 79/13/70/61/12/11/3.0 - PA/__/PA/12/__/__ - 5950 - [goto=falcon3]Falcon[/goto] (Mighty Avengers)
    17 79/70/13/11/12/61/3.0 - _8/11/__/__/__/13 - 10200- [goto=colossus3]Colossus[/goto] (Classic)
    17 70/79/12/11/13/61/4.5 - PA/_7/__/__/__/_9 - 8500 - [goto=captainmarvel3]Captain Marvel[/goto] (Modern)
    18 11/61/12/79/70/13/4.0 - __/14/__/11/19/__ - 5950 - [goto=blackwidow3]Black Widow[/goto] (Grey Suit)
    19 10/11/49/55/09/43/4.0 - __/__/_9/_8/__/PA - 3430 - [goto=blackwidow2]Black Widow[/goto] (Original)
    20 10/11/69/54/12/61/3.0 - __/__/_9/__/__/12 - 7176 - [goto=doctordoom3]Doctor Doom[/goto] (Classic)
    21 43/49/09/11/55/10/3.0 - 10/10/__/__/_5/__ - 5880 - [goto=ares2]Ares[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
    22 70/79/61/13/12/11/3.5 - 14/13/20/__/__/__ - 8500 - [goto=ironman3]Iron Man[/goto] (Model 40)
    23 70/12/11/13/79/61/3.5 - _9/__/__/__/10/_9 - 5100 - [goto=storm3]Storm[/goto] (Mohawk)
    24 79/13/61/70/12/11/3.0 - 12/__/_5/PA/__/__ - 6800 - [goto=spiderman3]Spider-Man[/goto] (Classic)
    24 11/12/79/13/61/70/3.0 - __/__/11/__/12/PA - 6800 - [goto=doctoroctopus3]Doctor Octopus[/goto] (Otto Octavius)
    25 13/70/79/12/61/11/3.0 - __/_9/_9/__/12/__ -10200- [goto=shehulk3]She-Hulk[/goto] (Modern)
    26 70/13/79/12/61/11/3.5 - 11/__/_8/__/_9/__ - 6800 - [goto=beast3]Beast[/goto] (Modern)
    27 49/55/10/09/43/11/3.5 - 12/_8/__/__/14/__ - 5880 - [goto=thor2]Thor[/goto] (Marvel NOW!)
    28 11/61/11/12/61/12/3.0 - __/_6/__/__/_6/__ - 8611 - [goto=ragnarok3]Ragnarok[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
    29 43/11/49/09/55/10/3.5 - PA/__/11/__/12/__ - 2940 - [goto=storm2]Storm[/goto] (Classic)
    30 82/11/73/09/64/10/3.0 - 14/__/13/__/_9/__ - 8220 - [goto=invisible4]Invisible Woman[/goto] (Classic)
    31 09/10/43/49/11/55/4.0 - __/__/_5/PA/__/PA - 3920 - [goto=daken2]Daken[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
    32 11/10/12/69/54/61/3.0 - __/__/__/_5/__/11 - 5023 - [goto=loki3]Loki[/goto] (Dark Reign)
    33 49/55/10/09/11/43/4.5 - _8/_7/__/__/__/_9 - 4900 - [goto=captainmarvel2]Captain Marvel[/goto] (Ms. Marvel)
    33 11/61/70/79/12/13/3.5 - __/_7/_7/11/__/__ - 6800 - [goto=daredevil3]Daredevil[/goto] (Classic)
    34 11/43/55/49/09/10/3.2 - __/14/13/_9/__/__ - 3920 - [goto=magneto2]Magneto[/goto] (Marvel NOW!)
    35 43/49/09/11/55/10/4.0 - PA/12/__/__/_6/__ - 3920 - [goto=wolverine2]Wolverine[/goto] (Astonishing X-Men)
    36 11/55/10/09/43/49/3.0 - __/_8/__/__/_5/10 - 3430 - [goto=humantorch2]Human Torch[/goto] (Johnny Storm)
    37 11/43/49/55/09/10/4.5 - __/_9/_9/PA/__/__ - 3430 - [goto=hawkeye2]Hawkeye[/goto] (Modern)
    38 55/49/43/09/10/11/3.0 - 19/11/12/__/__/__ - 4900 - [goto=captainamerica2]Captain America[/goto] (Modern)
    39 07/22/06/07/25/09/3.0 - __/_6/__/__/_6/__ - 3520 - [goto=juggernaut1]Juggernaut[/goto] (Classic)
    40 08/09/10/46/36/41/4.5 - __/__/__/PA/__/16 - 2460 - [goto=bullseye2]Bullseye[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
    41 09/49/11/55/10/43/3.0 - __/11/__/_5/__/17 - 4900 - [goto=moonstone2]Moonstone[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
    42 27/07/07/08/31/24/3.5 - _9/__/__/__/10/_9 - 1620 - [goto=storm1]Storm[/goto] (Modern)
    43 19/07/22/25/06/07/4.0 - __/__/_9/10/__/__ - 1540 - [goto=blackwidow1]Black Widow[/goto] (Modern)
    44 27/31/24/08/07/07/3.5 - _8/10/19/__/__/__ - 2700 - [goto=ironman1]Iron Man[/goto] (Model 35)
    45 19/22/07/25/06/07/4.5 - __/_7/__/_8/__/__ - 1320 - [goto=hawkeye1]Hawkeye[/goto] (Classic)
    46 06/07/07/19/25/22/3.5 - __/__/__/_7/__/12 - 2640 - [goto=venom1]Venom[/goto] (Dark Avengers)
    47 43/11/49/55/10/09/3.0 - _7/__/_9/13/__/__ - 3920 - [goto=spiderman2]Spider-Man[/goto] (Bag-Man)
    48 06/07/19/25/07/22/4.0 - __/__/__/20/__/13 - 1540 - [goto=yelena1]Yelena Belova[/goto] (Dark Avengers)

    Ranked too low: Sentry, Lady Thor, Magneto (Classic), Deadpool, Captain Marvel (3), She-Hulk, Storm (Classic), Daredevil
    Ranked too high: Wolverine (Patch), Punisher, Psylocke, Doctor Doom, Spider-man, Beast

    The rankings for these characters may not need to change much. Many 2* characters are better than Beast. She-Hulk is better than Spider-man. cMags is better than Punisher. Hood is better than Patch on most teams.
  • Isay_Isay
    Isay_Isay Posts: 133 Tile Toppler
    Sentry at 3?!

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  • loroku
    loroku Posts: 1,014 Chairperson of the Boards
    loroku wrote:
    But based on the heat chart, I think it's actually going to be: 3) Sentry, 2) Thor, 1) X force. The reason is because #3 got a LOT of #1 votes. More than anyone else. But thanks to a lot of lower votes, the average result (and thus, rank) ended up lower. Since Sentry is widely regarded the best - but also a bit controversially so - I think this caused him to drop just out of the top. He IS the best - but he's not the best for every player. Thus the spread. Meanwhile #2 got VERY few #1 votes. They didn't even get a lot of #2 votes! But they got a LOT of "top 5" votes and basically no votes (only 6!) outside the top 10, which means their average came out #2. Thor is NOT top two - but almost no one denies he is top 5. Which means he ended up #2 in rank. Finally the #1 spot got a TON of #1 and #2 votes, with very little else, and frankly that describes Xforce to a tee. He's not controversially powerful: it just depends on whether or not you think he's top or second. Which apparently averages out to mean "top."
    Nailed it. icon_e_smile.gif
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    seeing sentry and hood ranks I´m beginning to think people arent playing the same game i am ...
    sentry is at the very even least #2 ... lol
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    People are misleading devs on purpose to avoid a Sentry nerf icon_razz.gif
  • wymtime
    wymtime Posts: 3,760 Chairperson of the Boards
    I think Hood, Patch, and Sentry are all a little too low and Fury a little too high.
    Patch is huge in climbing in PVP and PVE since he has true healing. in PVE level 5 BR cuts through goons like nobodys buisness and add in an attack tile and it is game over. He is faster than BP and with true healing you can't chip away at him. I would bump him above both BP and Fury. Patch +2
    Sentry- above 800 points you see way too much Sentry. If I were to see LThor I would be estatic as Sentry just crushes him. I look at Sentry and LThor to Ares and 2* Thor. Everyone was used to Thor and felt that Ares did too much self damage. Then people started realizing how much better Ares is than Thor. LThor might be a tank and has a lot of power but he is so slow compared to the speed and damage of Sentry. Sentry +1

    Hood- Really this low. Hood's steal can single handedly keep the oppoent from getting powers off. you can have him a base level and have 5 blue and he would still be awsome on offense. He makes all powers faster and if you can hide him you can have sustained play. Play Hood against anyone who requires 9AP for a power and you will win. He plays higher than his weight class says he should like OBW did. Hood +2 above Fury and BP.

    When you look at Hood, LDaken, Patch, LThor, Sentry, Xforce they all can play a major part of PVP. Hood/Daken (soon to add Blade) the ultimate support. Xforce, Patch, LThor the hammers to climb with and Senty the hopping machine.
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    If anything, I expect Patch to continue sinking in the rankings for the simple reason that you can't have X-Force AND Patch on a team
  • Unknown
    Unknown
    The problem with patch was already nailed ... It´s not him, its his partners ...
  • CrookedKnight
    CrookedKnight Posts: 2,579 Chairperson of the Boards
    He'll get a bump from the Goddess of Thunder, though.

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