New Character - Baron Zemo (Helmut Zemo) 5*

@Read_Only said:

@entrailbucket said:

He's got no feeder so nobody has any idea if he's good yet.

Yes because that's never stopped and 20 page thread on whats good bad and ugly about a new release before.

There's quite a lot of that in the early part of the post. Most people seem to think he's "meh" at best. Barring being able to actually play him there's really nothing to add, so we don't get that second wave of "Oh, he's not that bad, let me tell you why" or "Oh yeah, he's trash."

As far as the "keep it on topic" part goes, this is a forum, people are going to talk. If it strays enough we can split a new thread off, but I don't think this thread hit that more than your average one. Heck, maybe we should filter out all the "the game is dying!" posts...

@DaveyNY said:
As a 66 yo member of the LGBTQ group and having lived through a lot of **** during the six decades of my life, there's nothing in any 'optional to play' game that I'm going to let bother me to the point where I have to express my own personal discomfort in a public "gaming" forum about one small aspect of said game, which most likely doesn't really interest other players in hearing about anyway.
There's more than enough already existing specific places on the web for that kind of discussion.

Perhaps keeping a somewhat rational perspective about how a GAME intersects with one's real life, is something to consider.

Your definition of rational will be different from every other person here. And I disagree with the idea that a "GAME" can't be harmful. There are plenty of things they can put in the game that would anger you. I started speculating with examples, but they would probably also be inappropriate to post here.

The idea that someone else in the world might have different and/or highly sensitive triggers is easy to grasp. Maybe just let them. Just let them come to the forums and voice their disapproval. If there are others who share their feelings, maybe it gains traction and yields a positive change. If they're alone in their feelings, they at least go to express their point of view and always have the option to walk away.

I don't have a problem with fake Nazis in the game, as long as they aren't being glorified. But I can understand why some might.

It's a GAME, not one's Significant Other that one has committed to living with.

It is something that one chooses to play, no one is forced to continue to take part in it, and this particular one even gives the option of not partaking in every single aspect of it.

If it becomes that much of a burden that one has to express complete discomfort about an inanimate object included within the games software, then perhaps it's time to reevaluate what are actually the important things to worry and be upset about.

There are so many real world problems that one encounters and has to deal with in one's life on a daily basis (especially for the LGBTQ community), that being upset about optional pixels on one's phone/PC, seems to be a bit over the top.

Perspective is something important that one should learn to include in one's view of the world, if one wishes to enjoy life.

And that is all I'm going to add to this conversation.

@Painmonger said:
There was a time when you couldn't show on panel violence toward humans, so robots, aliens, demons etc became the surrogates in a lot of stories for a long time. It was a big turning point in comics history when you could start punching Nazis as actual people again. It's a little weird that Red Skull is in other Marvel games but not in MPQ, even if he weren't playable.

I don't identify as Jewish, but I definitely have family that stayed behind & didn't make it out of the camps. I don't find the idea of playing as Red Skull particularly offensive, especially since there's no roleplay aspect in this game. Let's not forget that a real life currently sitting politician in the country single handedly responsible for stopping the Nazis (suck it, Europe) has recently said some of them are very fine people after all...

My perspective is my own, though. I know not everyone else will feel the same as me, so for something that does have a direct tie to the real world I appreciate a more nuanced approach. It's a big, complicated world out there.

It's entirely possible there are places in the world where Captain America is viewed just as harshly. We still got Red Guardian unfortunately, and all the Black Widows, so clearly real world atrocities/implications aren't to only factor.

I may have missed something, but Baron Zima doesn't seem to have a revive mechanism, so it looks like that AP gain on death will just keep happening. Considering Hydra's mantra I would have expected a iHulk type resurrection. The rest of the kit doesn't wow me yet, but hopefully able to take him for a test drive soon & see if there's some hidden/missed use case.

People see and hear what they want to see and hear, and this is a great example of that.

I dislike politicians in general and believe the two party system America has evolved into is a huge part of the divide growing within the country. Both sides are just as bad as the other, and those who chose a side are simply blind to their side's negative actions. There have been multiple times where individuals from both sides of the aisle were accused of the same things... People believe those on their side are innocent and those on the other side are guilty... Regardless of what any of the evidence, or lack thereof, says. It's sad, really.

That said, The sitting politician didn't say any Nazi's were "very fine people". In fact he condemned them multiple times, including during the speech where people claim he called them "very fine people", but those who need to justify their dislike of him can't acknowledge this because they think doing so will undermine their constant need to attack the enemy. He's said plenty of ridiculous things, but there's still a need to spread lies then deflect when called out.

The same thing happens when people get "triggered" by something that offends them. They justify any reason to attack their perceived enemy while failing to see the point of view of others who feel the exact same way about something different.

Everyone does it, different people just divide themselves into different groups where they feel vindicated by the like minded people within those groups. Then they feel more comfortable with people who think the same, and lash out at those who think differently.

The problem is that this sort of drive to belong leads to echo chambers being created where people only listen to those who agree with them, which leads to each group growing more confident in their biases because (from their perspective) "everyone knows this is true and right" and anyone who disagrees is the enemy.

If society is to grow in a positive way, people need to be able to communicate with other people who disagree with them.

And they need to listen to each other and consider each other's perspectives.

The best part about this conversation happening on a Zemo announcement thread is the fact that Zemo believes he should rule over everyone because no one else is as capable as he is.

He believes that you would be better off if you just stopped making your own decisions and let him make them for you. And that's what makes him a great villain: he represents an evil that is so prominent in the world, yet is ignored by the masses.

He's the politician that lies to you, but you continue voting for them because they said things that hit the right emotional chord... So what if they've been in office for years, or decades, and haven't really gotten anything done... (But they've become millionaires on a public servants salary)...That can't be their fault... You can't be tricked like that because you're too smart.

He's the leader of the nonprofits donating to push for laws to improve the lives of everyone... Those laws don't really get passed, and when they do they don't seem to do what was promised, but you donated to what you thought was a good cause and that's all that matters.

He's the master manipulator that knows precisely what you need to hear to do exactly what her wants... While you think it was all your idea.

Of all the super powered villains in comics, Zemo represents the very real evil that permeates the real world.

This is why Captain America isn't meant to represent what America is.... He's meant to represent what America should be.

Of course, this is all just my opinion, and I could be way off.

Anyone can feel free to tell me what you think I got wrong...l just ask that anyone doing so double check their opinions of what I've said here before assuming I implied something I didn't.

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Since the topic came up, what if MPQ added the current US president as a playable character? What if they depicted him as a completely unstoppable physical and mental powerhouse who was the best character in the game? Would people be justified in being offended by that?

Or hey (call it a hunch!), what if they depicted him as a useless, incompetent goof like Bagman? Would you be offended by that? What if others called you a snowflake who's too easily offended?

@bluewolf said:
What if we kept this forum as a refuge from politics?

Exactly my point. This is why they should never add real-life heroes, villains, or groups.

@DAZ0273 said:
Hmm, it is getting a bit heavy in here, nothing a little music can't help...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=U9t-slLl30E&si=BkDeBJ7LoHrjBbNg

Never gets old!

@bluewolf said:
What if we kept this forum as a refuge from politics?

Counter: this place is dead. Bring on the politics. Whatever it takes to effect a resurrection

@JoeHandle said:

@bluewolf said:
What if we kept this forum as a refuge from politics?

Counter: this place is dead. Bring on the politics. Whatever it takes to effect a resurrection

Well hopefully some more conversation about Zemo can happen now that there’s a PvP to use him in.

If we go full on politics they’ll probably have to ban half the remaining people and it’ll be just poor Daz telling KGB about Game of Thrones. 🤣

@DAZ0273 said:

@JoeHandle said:

@bluewolf said:
What if we kept this forum as a refuge from politics?

Counter: this place is dead. Bring on the politics. Whatever it takes to effect a resurrection

Incoming 5* Jesus

Introducing MPQ's first 11 star, Jesus! MPQ goes up to 11!

Turn the other cheek: passive. Jesus turns the other cheek and says hit me again.
Jesus takes double damage.

Happy Easter!: passive. If Jesus is downed, he will reserect 3 days later.

That's it, I'm telling dad: passive. If Jesus has taheen at least 666 damage auto win the match.