Lighting Rounds - bluffed system need to change

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I personally feel that lighting rounds shouldn't have any bluffed characters.
Even if there's a must for bluffed characters, the current system way go too high up to play against them.
Or should I say most of the PvP shouldn't have bluffed as it's certainly give people who have the covers extra advantages.
(Especially for the current lighting round system, at this rate. Almost those who have these covers will get their covers real fast within a day or two if they manage to get hold of 2-3 covers will do)

Couldn't these lighting rounds bluffed at maybe 50-80% (Like the last progression event : Spider / Wolverine have only 50 / 80% which is reasonable well)

PLUS currently lighting round events are 3* covers.
Shouldn't these cover been earn in a harder way? Rather than give super extra advantages to those who have those covers.

What do you guys think?

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Well, highest I've gotten is 3*** tokens, so I am not sure how ppl are raking up so many more points, but I suspect buffed characters is a reason in part. That said, I like the buffed characters. It's fun to play at a different pace than a normal match (such as having to guard environment tiles etc). The goal is quick kills afterall. It's also how I learned I wanted a classic magneto even more than I originally did (after using him).

What they need are more lightning rounds or a system that pushes constant winners into special brackets for a little while where they are competing against other winners. That way its not the same 20-30 ppl getting the top finishes every single time.

As for difficulty...at the moment it is very difficult to win a lightning round. On the flip side...3*** come in packs more often than you think. Open 20-30 standard packs and I guarantee you get minimum 1. Assuming 100 ISO sell back, that means 500*30... 15,000 ISO - 3,000 ISO sell back. 12k ISO or less will earn you a 3***. Compared to a lot of other games I feel that is actually manageable. Especially when you take into account the standard tokens and awards from merely lightly participating in a lightning round.

Trust me, it frustrates me that I don't think I can compete beyond maybe pouring my soul into a 40th place finish. So I understand the gripe. There are better ways to change the system than to simply cut off buffs. Same ppl would likely win anyway with or without buffs as the 3*** characters are generally naturally better anyway.

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I agree, even though I benefit from the buffs more than most.

Because the buffs are on the characters that are also the prizes, it does make it harder for people to win their first cover. And people with maxed 3* heroes already have an advantage.

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A fun alternative might be to raise the levels of the free characters. Maybe to level 60 or thereabouts. So those who have maxed chars still have an advantage but those without won't feel like there's nothing they can do.

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I am okay with Bluff characters as long as it's reasonable.
I mean yes, lighting rounds need to be fast but how fast when all 3* bluffed characters health are 10k and above? (Of cos we can skip the players but seeing these definitely affect people to play, i am one of those )

I mean 200% more for just one character (which is the prized one) I am ok but with other bluffed characters included...It's just too crazy not to have them.
Knowing that these lighting rounds will happen eventually.

I just hope that the bluff characters will drop from 200% to maybe 100 or lower for the main character, the other 3* will be @ 80% or lower.

Dayv

I empathize with this, because I don't have more than two covers for any 3* villain (and don't have Ragnarok at all). I have some decent 3* characters, but they're all heroes. I think the issue is two-fold:

* When they made buffs start affecting hit points as well, they should have changed the Lightning round buff percentages.

* There needs to be a wider variety of Lightning rounds. The constant stream of villain ones has created a stable of Lightning Round winners who consistently get more of the featured covers with their high-level buffed villains.

If nothing changes, people like me will eventually get more of the villains through other means and can participate if they work to level them, but I think Lightning staleness us setting in and will be far worse by the time I get Magneto, Dr. Doom, or The Hood to decent levels.

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DayvBang wrote:

If nothing changes...

I'm sure the devs are busy programming in some new mid-week tournament formats. I'm just afraid it may be too little too late and we'll start to see the people who've dominated the month long's worth of lightning rounds go on to dominate all other tourneys with their massive 3-star characters.

I'm also curious as to how many tournament winners have actually already maxed out their covers and are just going for the top rewards just to sell the same covers for gold + get the gold bonus from being in first place.

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Agreed. Last week, my team was c-storm and thor, and I never made it to top 100.
Now I have a lv66 Ragnarok, I easily get to top 10.
People who already have buffed characters, especially Ragnarok, have so much advantage in the rounds, and they are getting stronger by dominating the tourneys and rewards, other people don't stand a chance, it's like a vicious circle.

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Seriously. I've been saying this since they started the lightning rounds. The only way to get the covers for the villains is to win a lightning round. The people who win them already have them. Cycle, rinse, repeat. I routinely place in top 10 in the regular tournaments, because I have several different strtageies to use lower level teams to take down higher level ones with counters, but you can't do that when max level Rag hits for 3K damage for 2 red AP.

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Counterpoint: If you tweak your expectations a bit, Lightning Rounds can be quite productive even without having a 5/5 Ragnarok going in.

1) They are a nice bundle of ISO even if you have no intention of placing well in them, particularly if you're low on the matchmaking scale and get to fight dummy accounts in the beginning.

2) You don't HAVE to fight teams with leveled Rags / Dooms. Nor should you in this environment. For me, a leveled Rag is an autoskip on principle when I can pound the skip button for a bit and find nice crunchy Thor/Storm teams to fight. Yes, Thor/Storm/villain on a stick is still a way to get some easy wins, but it's easy enough to counter that it makes you a tempting target.

3) With the adjusted rewards, you may not get Top 2 with a villainless team, but Top 50 gives you a guaranteed 3*. A random one, yes, but it still counts. Top 100 gives you a Heroic token, which may or may not help but it's certainly better odds at a good cover than a Standard.

Is it an instant run to the higher echelons? No. But it's progress, and for free. I used my Top 50s to help level 3*s that helped me move up to Top 8s.

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It'd be nice if there was a diabolical token at 200 points. That would stop everyone's mad in one swell foop.

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I just spent 10 mins in the last round skipping and couldn't find a single team to fight that doesn't have at least one max level rag plus another max or semi-maxed second villain. Sorry, the lightning rounds are for one thing and one thing only. To frustrate you into buying covers for your low level villains.

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Nitpick: It's "Buffed" not "Bluffed".

When 3* are buffed they sure ain't bluffin'!

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I second that. (European player to make it even worse.) Considering the increased cost of heroic packs, I will not spend another dime until the game allows me to compete properly.

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I just spent some HP to level up my rag and magneto...so no. More lightning rounds!

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f3nfire wrote:

I second that. (European player to make it even worse.) Considering the increased cost of heroic packs, I will not spend another dime until the game allows me to compete properly.

Why would you ever spend a dime?

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Just feel abit unfair to those who nv manage to get those 3* villain characters..

Curious abt the lighting rounds packages.

I notice that there's only certain colour in the packs. Do we ever have any chances to get the other colour card as well? (Example : Dr Doom Blue / Reg Red / etc)

Anyone tired out the pack? I might consider to get the pack instead of waiting for the lighting rounds...

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sparksue wrote:

Just feel abit unfair to those who nv manage to get those 3* villain characters..

Curious abt the lighting rounds packages.

I notice that there's only certain colour in the packs. Do we ever have any chances to get the other colour card as well? (Example : Dr Doom Blue / Reg Red / etc)

Anyone tired out the pack? I might consider to get the pack instead of waiting for the lighting rounds...

It's hard to get up into the top 10 without those characters, but it can be done. Try Loki first if the others are too hard. Those rounds are not as popular. Doom is also a good choice because there isn't quite as much competition as for Ragnarok and top 8 gets one of each power.

On the packs, thy only display one color to represent the character, but all colors are actually available.

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It is not possible to get top 50 in any event without high level 3* heroes. It used to be Thor was enough, but there are so many max level Iron Man 40, spiderman, rag, it's impossible. The only exception would be if a high amount of 2* had large buffs, but it seems 3* gets the same buffs for every event.

The lightning races are the same people with maxed covers winning over and over again for the hero points. I have 2 high level (64 loki, 50 mag) 3* and struggle to make top 50 because I don't have Rag. 6 reds turn one (with boosts) with a 2 AP skill is impossible to defend. Don't even need to mention the 20k hps... Totally absurd.

Thor and Rag have inherently broken mechanics and should be nerfed or removed.

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panthroq wrote:

It is not possible to get top 50 in any event without high level 3* heroes. It used to be Thor was enough, but there are so many max level Iron Man 40, spiderman, rag, it's impossible. The only exception would be if a high amount of 2* had large buffs, but it seems 3* gets the same buffs for every event.

The lightning races are the same people with maxed covers winning over and over again for the hero points. I have 2 high level (64 loki, 50 mag) 3* and struggle to make top 50 because I don't have Rag. 6 reds turn one (with boosts) with a 2 AP skill is impossible to defend. Don't even need to mention the 20k hps... Totally absurd.

Thor and Rag have inherently broken mechanics and should be nerfed or removed.

First off, Welcome to the board.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree strongly. I broke into top 8 in a Ragnarok LR last week without any 3* characters (other than the default one they give you). It is true that it is easier with (as I just finished saying), but it absolutely can be done. I've had decent success in the other tournaments prior to that, again without those characters. If you are struggling to make top 50 in a lightning round with two mid-level buffed characters, I'd suggest perhaps you should reassess your tactics.

Have a look at this thread. Some of the top players are on this forum. You can see where they talk about finishing up the covers they need and how they will be bowing out of various rounds.

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Misguided wrote:

panthroq wrote:

It is not possible to get top 50 in any event without high level 3* heroes. It used to be Thor was enough, but there are so many max level Iron Man 40, spiderman, rag, it's impossible. The only exception would be if a high amount of 2* had large buffs, but it seems 3* gets the same buffs for every event.

The lightning races are the same people with maxed covers winning over and over again for the hero points. I have 2 high level (64 loki, 50 mag) 3* and struggle to make top 50 because I don't have Rag. 6 reds turn one (with boosts) with a 2 AP skill is impossible to defend. Don't even need to mention the 20k hps... Totally absurd.

Thor and Rag have inherently broken mechanics and should be nerfed or removed.

First off, Welcome to the board.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree strongly. I broke into top 8 in a Ragnarok LR last week without any 3* characters (other than the default one they give you). It is true that it is easier with (as I just finished saying), but it absolutely can be done. I've had decent success in the other tournaments prior to that, again without those characters. If you are struggling to make top 50 in a lightning round with two mid-level buffed characters, I'd suggest perhaps you should reassess your tactics.

Have a look at this thread. Some of the top players are on this forum. You can see where they talk about finishing up the covers they need and how they will be bowing out of various rounds.

Thanks I've browsed the boards as well as sent a lot of feedback via mail, just never posted.

What tactics do I need to change getting beat by guys with level 80+ Rag? I'm curious what the solution to that would be. It is always easier to beat people, boosts see to that , I guess I just have bad luck with people beating me for -20 in the last 30 seconds of every round. As far as finishing top 8, I'm not entirely sure I believe you, a Thor/storm combo with a lv15 Rag is an easy win, even without boosts. Also, this week you'd be hard pressed to beat a lot of the teams with that get up let alone make top 8.

Also comparing the team I currently use to teams people used 2 weeks ago is moot. Of course it seems really good now.. I also noticed it was substantially more difficult this week than previous weeks due to a much higher amount of Rag's.