Marvel Puzzle Quest: Character Rebalances - Batch #2 (Nov 13, 2025)

Zarqa

@Blackstone said:

@entrailbucket said:
When I was a teenager I worked at a fast food restaurant (that shall remain nameless). We had a customer who came in at the same time, every single day, wearing the same clothes (and he wasn't homeless or something, he obviously owned multiples of the same items), ordered exactly the same meal, and paid with exact change. He sat at the same table, and if someone was there he'd ask them to leave or just wait until they left.

I don't think he was dangerous or anything, but he was deeply weird, and I always wanted to see what'd happen if his food got taken off the menu or the recipe changed or something.

Turns out, all I had to do was come to the MPQ forums after any change!

If his order was no longer available, he likely would have quit coming to that restaurant altogether.

I say that as someone who has ordered the same thing at Waffle House for over 20 years and do the same at other restaurants. I hang my clothes in full sets when doing laundry (I even have several items—pants, shirts, sweaters— that are exactly the same though my wife has managed to get me to wear these items in different colors). If I didn’t have my wife I’d have a much more rigid schedule that I would dislike deviating from.

I won’t bore you with more details on my deeply weird behavior, but it comes from a need for control and sticking with what works. There’s comfort in removing unnecessary options.

Yes, there are also diagnosis involved, but that’s a different discussion. To me, it’s weird that more people don’t do these things. There’s only one restaurant in the world where I don’t eat the same thing when I go there.

The changes to the game are a different thing though. I think I see where you’d relate the gentleman you’re referencing here to the rage being shown in the forums, but I think you’d be surprised at how well he would have handled the change.

I can’t know for certain, of course, but my assumption would be that he would have been disappointed, stared off for a bit while debating what the change means for him, then he would have just left and you wouldn’t have seen him again. I think this because I’ve done it.

(Note: if he felt harassed while sorting through the information that his order wasn’t available anymore, before he was able to make a new plan, the odds of being met with anger would have increased.)

Meanwhile, the average forumite would have screamed at you for not running your restaurant the way they wanted you to run it then demanded a coupon book as compensation.

People are frustrated. The venting will continue. Some of it illogical. Hopefully things get back on track by the end of the year, or at least shows signs of heading in that direction.

I visited the MOMA in NYC today. The plaque at Andy Warhol’s 32 Campbell Soup Cans had a quote from him saying he ate the exact same thing for 20 years. And it made me think of your post and this discussion.

So there’s that. No other point to make really…

entrailbucket

@Blackstone @KGB I think the devs' problem now is that their laziness and inaction over the years drove away most of the folks who want something new every once in awhile, and left them with mostly players like you (and there's nothing wrong with players like you!). But that inaction also created long-term problems that needed to be fixed for the health of the game.

And now they're trapped. Revenue is way down, and if it stays this way it'll be the end. But the remaining playerbase hates change of any kind. They can't keep stuff the same, but they can't change anything either.

Blackstone

@Polares said:

@Blackstone said:

@Polares said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@Polares said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@Polares said:
I have to ask… why dont you just close the game and that is it? We have lost 5+ long players in our Alliance and after this more will follow. Heck, not sure I will continue playing after these nerfs.

You cant release these stupidly overpowered nodes with 700+ chars and then nerf all the tools we have to beat those nodes. I guess you only want players with 550 chars to be able to do SCL10, but these is not how we the players see it.

After Polaris nerf I looked at what I could use and I went all in on MTHor and Nova and now you nerf MThor.

I will give you some advice Devs, STOP with the nerfs, with 6* being the new thing, just stop and let players HAVE FUN with these chars while we progress to 6 land. Be more careful with 6 chars and that will be enough. You are killing the game. Seriously, with all the awful bugs and now the nerfs YOU ARE KILLING THE GAME.

PS: I have been playing this game since launch, I have seen all the nerfs, from 2 Wolvie to 3 Sentry to Gambit, but this is different, the game is right now at its lowest, and these nerfs are just making even more people quit. Give people reasons to play, not reason to quit!

I will give you some advice matey. You don't speak for everybody so please do not tell anybody to shut down a game many of us are still enjoying. You can complain about whatever you like, you can quit and you can stop spending money. You can also share that with all of us here. But don't ask to have the game shut down because YOU are unhappy. Thank you.

Hey, I am giving my opinion, and I will continue to do so and I will continue to ask whatever I like, you can obviously say you dont agree with me or that you think I am wrong, but you can not tell me what I can and can not ask.

Said that, have you really fully read my comment? Because it is pretty obvious I am not really asking the Devs to close the game, just to be far more careful on the things they are doing if they dont want the game to die. The move to Unity has been a ****-show and nerfing chars now, when so many people are quitting it is a really bad move.

Your opening line is pretty self explanatory. Maybe you could have phrased that better? You set the tone with that. You don't want the game shut down but ask why the game shouldn't be shut down. An opinion can get lost amidst a flamey sort of thing like that. I'm sure it was typed with a cool and rational head.

The point of that question was precisely calling Devs attention! I wanted shock and surprise. Because sincerely, with all they have been doing lately I have really wondered if maybe they are tired of the game and they are actively trying to make us quit.

After all the issues we had and we still have with the migration, nerfing two chars soooo fast after each other and having another one ready to be nerfed…. It really blows my mind and gives me the impression that even though they might have the best intentions, they dont know what they are doing and how low the morale is.

So… you ask devs to shut down the game, get upset and say you didn’t ask for it to be shut down, then claim you did but only for shock factor…

Further, you absolutely made statements as “we the players” as if speaking for everyone then, when you were asked to not act as though you speak for everyone, you claim you’re just stating your opinion…

To be clear, you’re obviously able to share your opinion on things and no one should tell you not to.

But you really shouldn’t state your opinion as though it is the opinion of the broader group though. You especially shouldn’t do so then claim you didn’t when someone asks you to not speak for them.

Again, you weren’t asked to not state your opinion. You were asked to not claim that your opinion represented “we the players” by players that disagree with you. And you should acknowledge and respect that.

Lastly, you really can’t be upset at anyone for asking you to not request the game be shut down (especially when you’re presenting yourself as representing “we the players”).
They can do whatever they want with their game, including creating a more difficult level of play not everyone can compete in. And you can choose to play at a level your roster allows, or quit, or anything in between.

You can also tell the devs you don’t like certain changes, but you can’t say “why don’t you just close the game” in the name of “we the players” then act surprised when players say they disagree.

Can you tell me we are those “we the players” comments you talk about? I do not think I gave anything else than my own opinion and experience.

I did not get mad at someone not wanting the game to be closed, I did not get mad at all, if anything I was just pointing out that in a forum anyone is free to give their own opinion and even if I was expressing an unpopular opinion, as long as I was not attacking or insulting anybody, I should be able to do so.

But anyway, I am going to leave it here. My comment did not go as I was expecting and we are now debating something completely different than what my original intention was, so that is it.

Page 7 of this thread, posted Nov 15 2025 at 12:18.

You started the post with asking to close the thread, then you stated opinions on the current game, then you used “we the players” in a manner that can very reasonably be interpreted as though you speak for everyone.

You had the choice to review your post, explain that’s not what you intended, then move on. I wasn’t trying to derail your talking points, just inform you why it didn’t go the way you wanted.

They are making mistakes. I hope they are making them with good intentions though, just as I think you didn’t intend to communicate you spoke for everyone.

I was trying to be helpful by saying (paraphrasing) “this is the thing distracting people from being able to better consider your opinion.”

I don’t think they’re actively trying to make people quit. I think they’re frustrated and trying to keep up with a cascade of issues that are compounding.

You, and everyone else, should absolutely express they're opinions, but also be willing to correct language, unintended misunderstandings, etc, so that those opinions are understand by the most people possible.

If I offended you, or seemed like I was trying to silence your opinion, I apologize.

Blackstone

@KGB said:

@Blackstone said:

@entrailbucket said:
When I was a teenager I worked at a fast food restaurant (that shall remain nameless). We had a customer who came in at the same time, every single day, wearing the same clothes (and he wasn't homeless or something, he obviously owned multiples of the same items), ordered exactly the same meal, and paid with exact change. He sat at the same table, and if someone was there he'd ask them to leave or just wait until they left.

I don't think he was dangerous or anything, but he was deeply weird, and I always wanted to see what'd happen if his food got taken off the menu or the recipe changed or something.

Turns out, all I had to do was come to the MPQ forums after any change!

I say that as someone who has ordered the same thing at Waffle House for over 20 years and do the same at other restaurants. I hang my clothes in full sets when doing laundry (I even have several items—pants, shirts, sweaters— that are exactly the same though my wife has managed to get me to wear these items in different colors). If I didn’t have my wife I’d have a much more rigid schedule that I would dislike deviating from.

I won’t bore you with more details on my deeply weird behavior, but it comes from a need for control and sticking with what works. There’s comfort in removing unnecessary options.

All these things would describe me as well (minus the laundry hanging part).

But in my case it's not a need for control. Rather its a need to automate unnecessary decisions so I can spend my time and thoughts on the important things to me.

Study after study has actually shown that a lot of choices actually paralyzes something like 90% people. In other words if you go to buy cookies at your grocery store and the choices are Oreos or Chocolate Chip people quickly pick one or the other and tend to stick with that choice. But if they get there and there are 20+ choices of cookies they spent an inordinate amount of time vacillating between one choice or another.

KGB

Chips Ahoy, chewy chocolate chip. To be eaten with Friendly Farms chocolate milk from Aldi.

BriMan2222

Part of changing mthor seems to have been a buff. Previously, when I brought chasm against her it stopped her start of match charged tiles from being created. But after playing several sim matches, the banner with her passive pops up and creates her charged tiles despite being stunned.

Seph1roth5

@BriMan2222 said:
These are the most careful nerfs I've ever seen in 12 years of playing.

I wasn't playing (or wasn't in 4 or 5land anyway) when bishop and gambit and such were an issue. But for me chasm was a pretty big nerf. Went from using him very often to only using him as a start of battle stun. They hit basically every OTHER part of his kit with a bat. He revives way less often, pretty rare that I even get a 2nd revive. And his damage based on AP is weird, usually end up doing far more damage to myself. So, like I said, he's just a weird support that takes up a character slot to me lol.

LavaManLee

Chasm is an interesting one. He is more useful as a third the higher your roster goes. At the 550 level, he can often be the difference between winning or losing. That stun at the beginning is massive when you are dealing with 550 rosters that only need a turn or two at the most to win. I can definitely see at lower levels, with more turns needed, that is usefulness is minimized.

DAZ0273

Chasm shuts down a lot of teams with his opening stun. It's another reason why you don't need to nerf R4G because Chasm renders them useless. He breaks the BRB/Polaris team too.