Marvel Puzzle Quest: Character Rebalances - Batch #1

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  • MegaBee
    MegaBee Posts: 1,312 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Grantosium said:
    Please let the next nerf be Iron May. I'm literally seeing her in every team on my SHIELD Sim queue.

    A 3a4 shouldn't be meta, especially if they're a character that was supposed to be a joke.

    My rebuttal...

  • Grantosium
    Grantosium Posts: 110 Tile Toppler

    SHIELD Sim is literally:

    MBaku/Iron May/Namor x2
    Juggs/Iron May/Namor
    Chasm/Iron May/Namor
    and for some reason Crystal/Deathlok/Iron May

    It's really not good for any game having a character that is so low effort, ubiquitous and works on seemingly every team. Can't believe that Shang Chi or M'Thor are anywhere close to being as nerf worthy.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,911 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited 9 November 2025, 06:14

    @Grantosium said:
    SHIELD Sim is literally:

    MBaku/Iron May/Namor x2
    Juggs/Iron May/Namor
    Chasm/Iron May/Namor
    and for some reason Crystal/Deathlok/Iron May

    It's really not good for any game having a character that is so low effort, ubiquitous and works on seemingly every team. Can't believe that Shang Chi or M'Thor are anywhere close to being as nerf worthy.

    I don't see any of those teams in sim. For me it's

    mbaku/chasm/namor
    4a5 jugg/chasm/sam
    Frankie Nova/chasm/I hulk

    Occasionally iron may or mthor teamed with Nova, but generally I don't see iron may much at all.

  • MCPenance
    MCPenance Posts: 50 Just Dropped In

    @Grantosium said:
    SHIELD Sim is literally:

    MBaku/Iron May/Namor x2
    Juggs/Iron May/Namor
    Chasm/Iron May/Namor
    and for some reason Crystal/Deathlok/Iron May

    It's really not good for any game having a character that is so low effort, ubiquitous and works on seemingly every team. Can't believe that Shang Chi or M'Thor are anywhere close to being as nerf worthy.

    Please enlighten us as to what team you are currently using in SIM?

    I also don't get these teams. I'm getting the same teams as BriMan.

  • Grantosium
    Grantosium Posts: 110 Tile Toppler
    edited 9 November 2025, 10:37

    These are not retaliation hits so as far as I understand this should be a combination of MMR and current points only. I've received a few hits since then but still in top 100 at 1948 points. I keep my 5 star characters low deliberately so my MMR should be about level 360.

    I can imagine this might be atypical, most of these queued teams are running a [5 or] ascended 4a5 around 460 with two 3a4s in the mid-300s so I can see how a L360MMR might attract these.

    I can "reliably" beat these teams, but it's monotonous and passing the turn once often results in a wipe so I can't afford much experimentation. I miss the Polaris teams.

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,644 Chairperson of the Boards

    Apparently no one else has bothered to investigate the possible buffs I mentioned?

    One person I looked at is 4wasp, rebalanced in 2023. The post says her black power max dmg is 4473. Mine is 9220. Assuming the post was giving max dmg for a 370 something has changed.

    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/88140/character-rebalance-4-wasp-janet-van-dyne-live-2-16

    I have no idea what 3Hulk's numbers were before vs now. Nor if 1BW is truly buffed or if she always did 102K at 550 with 5 yellow.

  • Grantosium
    Grantosium Posts: 110 Tile Toppler

    You're not without a point. It's heartening that it sounds like it's not a universal problem.

    However, it should be balanced around all players. To survive, the game needs a continuous stream of new players. You don't want to deliberately leave a transitional point of the game unbalanced or you'll have newer players mid transition quitting. They know that IMay is unblanaced at 3 and 4 star, otherwise they wouldn't have her 5 star ascended version nerfed. Would be simple to rebalance. Bucket's suggestion makes a lot of sense.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,911 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Grantosium said:
    You're not without a point. It's heartening that it sounds like it's not a universal problem.

    However, it should be balanced around all players. To survive, the game needs a continuous stream of new players. You don't want to deliberately leave a transitional point of the game unbalanced or you'll have newer players mid transition quitting. They know that IMay is unblanaced at 3 and 4 star, otherwise they wouldn't have her 5 star ascended version nerfed. Would be simple to rebalance. Bucket's suggestion makes a lot of sense.

    Her 5 star is nerfed for the same reason 4 star ghost riders black is nerfed at 5, and 2 star iron patriot purple goes up in price.

    At lower levels all these characters can be easily destroyed quickly by 5 stars. If when ascended to 5 star they had 5 star health and match damage AND still had the insane boost, or 200% retaliation damage, or could spam a board destruction crit tile creation power that would be OP.

    These powers aren't OP at their original star level at their own level of play.

  • Blackstone
    Blackstone Posts: 854 Critical Contributor

    @bluewolf said:
    Apparently no one else has bothered to investigate the possible buffs I mentioned?

    One person I looked at is 4wasp, rebalanced in 2023. The post says her black power max dmg is 4473. Mine is 9220. Assuming the post was giving max dmg for a 370 something has changed.

    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/88140/character-rebalance-4-wasp-janet-van-dyne-live-2-16

    I have no idea what 3Hulk's numbers were before vs now. Nor if 1BW is truly buffed or if she always did 102K at 550 with 5 yellow.

    Or it’s just not worth investigating. I saw your previous post but you didn’t say anything that would change gameplay whether they were secretly buffed or not. So it didn't seem important.

    Also, I have a 550 1* BW and that yellow costs 7AP. It's a great amount of damage for the cost, it just doesn't mean anything when you need to win turn zero to matter.

    Ask yourself if any of the stealth changes actually affect your game play or the meta. If the answer is no, you have no reason to question why others aren't commenting on it.

    If the answer is yes, feel free to share who those characters are replacing in the meta.

    I just read that back to myself, and it sounds more rude than I intended. My apologies. Interpret it however you like though.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 7,678 Chairperson of the Boards

    @BriMan2222 said:

    @Grantosium said:
    You're not without a point. It's heartening that it sounds like it's not a universal problem.

    However, it should be balanced around all players. To survive, the game needs a continuous stream of new players. You don't want to deliberately leave a transitional point of the game unbalanced or you'll have newer players mid transition quitting. They know that IMay is unblanaced at 3 and 4 star, otherwise they wouldn't have her 5 star ascended version nerfed. Would be simple to rebalance. Bucket's suggestion makes a lot of sense.

    Her 5 star is nerfed for the same reason 4 star ghost riders black is nerfed at 5, and 2 star iron patriot purple goes up in price.

    At lower levels all these characters can be easily destroyed quickly by 5 stars. If when ascended to 5 star they had 5 star health and match damage AND still had the insane boost, or 200% retaliation damage, or could spam a board destruction crit tile creation power that would be OP.

    These powers aren't OP at their original star level at their own level of play.

    In general I agree with you but there's a big problem.

    4* May is super easy to kill and she often goes down in one hit, which takes away the other team's giant damage buff. But they keep her giant health buff, and this can make a huge difference with certain teammates.

    And once Galactus escapes containment, she's going to be a total nightmare with him. Sure, you can kill her right away, but she's going to give him a massive, permanent health boost, and he keeps his damage reduction.

  • ViralCore
    ViralCore Posts: 186 Tile Toppler

    The anniversary is over. When do we get the next batch?

  • Grantosium
    Grantosium Posts: 110 Tile Toppler

    It was kind of softly implied that there would be a new batch for the next season.

    Maybe there won't?

    I'm sort of expecting that there will be and we just won't be told about them. They will just appear in game. Along with a wild rework of either Shang Chi or MThor that no one understands until they've had 2 days to experiment with.

    If it follows the pattern, it will be the boosted characters for week beginning tomorrow that are the reworked ones. If we're lucky the boost list might get published before the numbers change so we can go out screenshotting the current stats.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,911 Chairperson of the Boards

    They'll probably post about the rebalances on discord, or reddit, or myspace and then the info will find it's way here.

  • Pantera236
    Pantera236 Posts: 644 Critical Contributor

    @BriMan2222 said:
    They'll probably post about the rebalances on discord, or reddit, or myspace and then the info will find it's way here.

    They just sent a smoke signal and it either is the Jane nerf or a "send help, we're on fire". I'm a little rusty on my smoke signal.

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