New Character - Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts) 5*

S0kun
S0kun ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 838 Critical Contributor
edited 1 May 2025, 23:54 in MPQ General Discussion

Health & Match Damage

Feeder Flow

Abilities

Ability: Priority Threat

Color: Purple
AP Cost: 6

Using his experience and tactical acumen, Barnes identifies the most dangerous enemy on the field, and directs the Thunderbolts to neutralize the threat! Select an enemy as the Priority Threat, then deal a hit of 753 damage to them for each active allied Thunderbolt.

(PASSIVE) At the start of his turn, a random active enemy becomes the Priority Threat if there is no active Priority Threat. Whenever a Thunderbolt ally deals damage, deal 35% of the damage dealt to the Priority Threat (this damage is unaffected by Strike and Protect tiles, and other damage modifiers).

450: Deal 3027 damage. Deal 35% of the damage dealt.
550: Deal 6542 damage. Deal 35% of the damage dealt.

Level 2: Deal 797 damage. Deal 40% of the damage dealt.

450: Deal 3206 damage. Deal 40% of the damage dealt.
550: Deal 6928 damage. Deal 40% of the damage dealt.

Level 3: Deal 842 damage. Deal 45% of the damage dealt.

450: Deal 3384 damage. Deal 45% of the damage dealt.
550: Deal 7314 damage. Deal 45% of the damage dealt.

Level 4: Deal 944 damage. Deal 50% of the damage dealt.

450: Deal 3793 damage. Deal 50% of the damage dealt.
550: Deal 8197 damage. Deal 50% of the damage dealt.

Level 5: Deal 1108 damage. Deal 65% of the damage dealt.

450: Deal 4453 damage. Deal 65% of the damage dealt.
550: Deal 9623 damage. Deal 65% of the damage dealt.

Ability: Better Bionics

Color: Red
AP Cost: 5

This upgrade comes with a host of new features including: gyroscopic recoil compensators, retractable punching dagger, and a miniature flame thrower. It’s also lighter and more durable to boot! Deal 886 team damage. 

(PASSIVE) Whenever a Thunderbolt ally makes a match, do the following based on its color:

PURPLE: Deal an extra hit equal to 443.
RED: Deal 532 bonus match damage.YELLOW: Gain 1 additional Yellow AP.

450: Deal 3561 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 1781. Deal 2137 bonus match damage.
550: Deal 7696 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 3848. Deal 4618 bonus match damage.

Level 2: Deal 3917 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 1959. Deal 2351 bonus match damage.

450: Deal 975 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 487. Deal 585 bonus match damage.
550: Deal 8466 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 4233. Deal 5080 bonus match damage.

Level 3: Deal 1063 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 532. Deal 638 bonus match damage.

450: Deal 4273 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 2137. Deal 2564 bonus match damage.
550: Deal 9235 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 4618. Deal 5542 bonus match damage.

Level 4: Deal 1240 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 620. Deal 745 bonus match damage.

450: Deal 4985 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 2493. Deal 2992 bonus match damage.
550: Deal 10774 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 5387. Deal 6465 bonus match damage.

Level 5: Deal 1595 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 797. Deal 958 bonus match damage.

450: Deal 6410 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 3206. Deal 3847 bonus match damage.
550: Deal 13853 team damage. Deal an extra hit equal to 6926. Deal 8312 bonus match damage.

Ability: A New Mission

Color: Yellow
AP Cost: 9

Taking Nick Fury’s place as ‘the Man on the Wall,’ Barnes recruits a new team of Thunderbolts to continue the fight against existential threats to the Earth. Select as many basic or enemy Strike, Attack, or Protect tiles as you have Thunderbolts on the team and convert them into 2-turn Countdown tiles. These tiles deal 1639 damage if converted from enemy Strike, Attack, and Protect tiles, otherwise they deal 3854 damage.

450: Deal 6588 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 15490 damage.
550: Deal 14239 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 33480 damage.

Level 2: Deal 2259 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 4474 damage.

450: Deal 9078 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 17984 damage.
550: Deal 19621 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 38870 damage.

Level 3: Deal 2880 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 5095 damage.

450: Deal 11575 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 20478 damage.
550: Deal 25018 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 44261 damage.

Level 4: Deal 4165 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 6378 damage.

450: Deal 16740 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 25636 damage.
550: Deal 36181 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 55409 damage.

Level 5: Deal 6689 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 8903 damage.

450: Deal 26886 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 35782 damage.
550: Deal 58109 damage if converted from enemy tiles, otherwise deal 77339 damage.

Release Events

All times in Pacific

Story

The Hunt
May 1, 2025, 04:00am – May 4, 2025 11:00pm
Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts) Shards and Event Token in Placement Rewards
Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts) Event Token in Progression Rewards and Alliance Rewards

Fight For Wakanda
May 4, 2025, 04:00am – May 8, 2025, 11:00pm
Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts) Legendary Token in Placement Rewards, Shards and Event Token in Progression Rewards, Legendary Token and Event Token in Alliance Rewards

Deadpool vs. MPQ
May 8, 2025, 04:00am – May 12, 2025, 11:00pm
Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts) Legendary Token in Placement Rewards, Shards and Event Token in Progression Rewards, Legendary Token and Event Token in Alliance Rewards

Versus

Pass The Buck
May 4, 2025, 05:00am – May 7, 2025, 12:00pm
Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts) Event Token in Progression Rewards, Event Token in Alliance Rewards

Offers

The Impending Doom Store
May 1, 2025, 04:00am – May 5, 2025, 11:00pm
Chance to get Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts). Increased chances in 10x and 40x pulls

The Daybreak Vault
May 8, 2025, 09:00am - May 11, 2025, 09:00pm
Chance to get Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts). Increased chances in 10x and 40x pulls

40 Items: **
○ 1x **The Black Ops Legendary Store Token
○ 1x 4-Star Luke Cage (Power Man) cover
○ 3x Random 3-Star covers
○ 6x Heroic tokens
○ 4x 2500 Iso
○ 6x 1000 Iso
○ 5x 500 Iso
○ 14x Two stars

The Black Ops Legendary Store
May 8, 2025, 09:00am - May 11, 2025, 09:00pm
15% chance to get 5* Winter Soldier (Thunderbolts), 5* Yelena Belova (Black Widow), and 5* Hawkeye (Clint Barton). Additional Tokens can be purchased for 25 Command Points

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Comments

  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 6,048 Chairperson of the Boards

    I am not sure we’ll get an answer before he’s in game but is his red passive really doing nothing unless Thunderbolt allies tank his own strong colors?

    Like if they match blue/purple/green he does nothing?

    So, don’t level him very high I guess?

    Can you send this guy back into QA for another pass?

  • Seph1roth5
    Seph1roth5 Posts: 462 Mover and Shaker

    Looks pretty awful, like...he should've been the 2 and hellcow could've been the 5. Far too much of his kit relies on having allied thunderbolts, but there are few TB in the game and most never see play.

    • 1* yelena/juggs/widow are great if ascended to 5.
    • Bullseye, winter soldier, hawkeye, iron fist, luke cage, punisher, rhino, abomination trash.
    • Electro is ok but people only use her when going up against juggs/OR, maaaaaybe when boosted. Green Goblin maybe when boosted

    Purple - Half as strong as 3namor while being 1000x more difficult to use. You have to hobble your team with a TB to even get that. Without a TB it's laughably bad, with the damage of a 2*, maaaaybe 3.

    Red - Low damage, 1 extra ap? Very very bad, and worse than garbage without thunderbolts on the team

    Yellow - 9ap to get rid of 0-3 SAP tiles...I don't know what's sadder, that it's stupidly expensive for a horrible power, or that this is his BEST power. It should be way cheaper and be able to replace any tile. Maybe repeaters?

    I wasn't a big fan of gorgon but I thought he was still fine. Bucky is easily bottom 3 alongside gwenom and peggy. I'd say peggy's better because she can at least DO stuff.

    I know it's already pretty late but any way to completely scrap everything about him? Give him the powers of whatever the next 5* is and then work on that one?

    Honestly, he would've been much better as a support. His red power could have a limit on how many times a match it triggers, maybe ~7

    His purple could either have a limit or be lower damage and be in effect the whole game. Kind of a mix of eros' targeting and the various supports that throw out CDs.

    Yellow would also translate well to a support. Maybe replace an enemy SAP when they fire a power? Or when you down an enemy it could replace a few or something.

    Would be easy to work in decent effects and some thunderbolts synergy.

  • VALACK
    VALACK Posts: 22 Just Dropped In

    WS......?? realy?? seriously? what? why? WHat for? Why choice him??

  • GJB1138
    GJB1138 Posts: 2 Just Dropped In

    Thought we might have got US Agent

  • WhiteBomber
    WhiteBomber Posts: 593 Critical Contributor
    edited 30 April 2025, 19:17

    It kind of reads like they intentionally wanted him to be bad? Hopefully he will trigger all of his own affiliation passives also and some how sneakily do more damage, but to block that damage from getting the passive and strike tile buffs??? Like, you know what Jugger4 and all other tick damage characters can currently do, right?

    Fingers crossed for the sneakiness, but at first glance looks to be the worst we've seen in quite some time.

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,518 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Absol said:
    They had the thunderbolts movie... Which has sentry/Void, a character that's been laughably represented in this game so far

    And they make a copy-paste model of Winter Soldier with some of the worst powers known to man.

    Do better D3.

    Don't blame D3. Marvel dictates the characters that get added into the game. D3 has very little say in it.

  • liminal_lad
    liminal_lad Posts: 489 Mover and Shaker

    I wonder who’s going to feed him. :D

  • will7612
    will7612 Posts: 114 Tile Toppler

    @BriMan2222 said:

    @Absol said:
    They had the thunderbolts movie... Which has sentry/Void, a character that's been laughably represented in this game so far

    And they make a copy-paste model of Winter Soldier with some of the worst powers known to man.

    Do better D3.

    Don't blame D3. Marvel dictates the characters that get added into the game. D3 has very little say in it.

    Marvel say "who enters", D3 makes up said character and it's abilities

    And I agree, one of the worst releases so far

  • will7612
    will7612 Posts: 114 Tile Toppler

    @liminal_lad said:
    I wonder who’s going to feed him. :D

    We are used to bad jokes before

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,713 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bluewolf said:
    I am not sure we’ll get an answer before he’s in game but is his red passive really doing nothing unless Thunderbolt allies tank his own strong colors?

    Like if they match blue/purple/green he does nothing?

    So, don’t level him very high I guess?

    Can you send this guy back into QA for another pass?

    I suspect he counts for the passive. So if he tanks, or another T-Bolt.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,443 Chairperson of the Boards

    @GrimSkald said:

    @bluewolf said:
    I am not sure we’ll get an answer before he’s in game but is his red passive really doing nothing unless Thunderbolt allies tank his own strong colors?

    Like if they match blue/purple/green he does nothing?

    So, don’t level him very high I guess?

    Can you send this guy back into QA for another pass?

    I suspect he counts for the passive. So if he tanks, or another T-Bolt.

    The wording on it is unclear (shock!) but it says "Thunderbolt ally." So who knows!

    Also lol at Sentry being weak in MPQ, somebody hasn't been around long enough to remember the total disaster that was the Sentry Bomb metagame.

  • GrimSkald
    GrimSkald Posts: 2,713 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    @GrimSkald said:

    @bluewolf said:
    I am not sure we’ll get an answer before he’s in game but is his red passive really doing nothing unless Thunderbolt allies tank his own strong colors?

    Like if they match blue/purple/green he does nothing?

    So, don’t level him very high I guess?

    Can you send this guy back into QA for another pass?

    I suspect he counts for the passive. So if he tanks, or another T-Bolt.

    The wording on it is unclear (shock!) but it says "Thunderbolt ally." So who knows!

    Also lol at Sentry being weak in MPQ, somebody hasn't been around long enough to remember the total disaster that was the Sentry Bomb metagame.

    I know, right? He's actually pretty decent right now, point of fact I specifically keep him around as a 3* so I can clear the DDQ node more quickly. His yellow is pretty good (his green is beyond bad, but whatever.)

  • BriMan2222
    BriMan2222 Posts: 1,518 Chairperson of the Boards

    @will7612 said:

    @BriMan2222 said:

    @Absol said:
    They had the thunderbolts movie... Which has sentry/Void, a character that's been laughably represented in this game so far

    And they make a copy-paste model of Winter Soldier with some of the worst powers known to man.

    Do better D3.

    Don't blame D3. Marvel dictates the characters that get added into the game. D3 has very little say in it.

    Marvel say "who enters", D3 makes up said character and it's abilities

    And I agree, one of the worst releases so far

    Yes, but they were complaining about it not being void/sentry, which is a decision that would have been made by Marvel.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,592 Chairperson of the Boards

    Wow. Just wow. Yes, I know our history is to look at character releases and generally hate them until we try them in action. But this is a historically bad character. Needing Thunderbolt allies and then, even if you have them, pretty weak powers. Yuck.

  • SaltnPeppa
    SaltnPeppa Posts: 408 Mover and Shaker
    edited 30 April 2025, 20:22

    Cover guesses

    Thunderbolts issue 2, June 2016
    or

    Thunderbolts Collection issues 1-5, January 2017.

    Both by Zub and Malin.

  • WilliamK1983
    WilliamK1983 Posts: 1,095 Chairperson of the Boards

    Wipe his memory and start over.

  • Codex
    Codex Posts: 389 Mover and Shaker

    Isn't there a typical 1v1 in the intro event for 5*? Please don't put a match damage mitigator as the opponent.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,443 Chairperson of the Boards

    @LavaManLee said:
    Wow. Just wow. Yes, I know our history is to look at character releases and generally hate them until we try them in action. But this is a historically bad character. Needing Thunderbolt allies and then, even if you have them, pretty weak powers. Yuck.

    I'm reserving judgement.

    It's painful!

    But remember: their descriptions are awful, and sometimes characters in game end up doing things in ways that don't even line up with the descriptions. Also sometimes they make changes immediately.

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