Handling of Jubilee Ascension Retro Rewards

BriMan2222

@entrailbucket said:

@GrimSkald said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@Carnage1484 said:

@Godzillafan67 said:
A simpler mechanism for ascended characters would be to count them as two 370s and continue the regular awarding calculations.

Nobody would double max and they don’t want that.

I might be a minority but I double max. I have no interest in getting my 4*s to Ascend until I have two at 370. Just my play style but it works for me.

How many 4* have you ascended so far?

10. And the funny thing is that I play none of them in PVE or PVP. They just sit there.

In general native 5s are more powerful. There are exceptions, though. Americas is so much better as a 5* since it really brings her red power into it's own - it only works if she tanks. Polaris is also really good as a 5 as is to be expected. I've played both 4* Hulks at one time or another, they're pretty nice, and Karnak is about as good as you think he'll be. Nico also kind of outpaces Kitty as a SAP booster, so there's that.

The rest mostly sit on the bench.

That's crazy! My experience is almost completely the opposite -- given roughly equivalent levels, I've found 4* (also 1, 2, and 3*) to be stronger in basically every single case!

Yes, I'm also experiencing the opposite. I used to lean heavily on my few 550's. There were often weeks where one or two of them was better than the boosted 5's. Since ascension my 550's have mostly been riding the bench. I'm running a boosted ascended 4 star or 1 star nearly every week.

ThaRoadWarrior

Your mileage is going to vary on most characters regardless of tier, but the 4* tier was getting all the interesting mechanical abilities for most of the tier's existence, so ascending them brings capability to the 5* tier that would otherwise not be present there.

GrimSkald

@BriMan2222 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@GrimSkald said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@Carnage1484 said:

@Godzillafan67 said:
A simpler mechanism for ascended characters would be to count them as two 370s and continue the regular awarding calculations.

Nobody would double max and they don’t want that.

I might be a minority but I double max. I have no interest in getting my 4*s to Ascend until I have two at 370. Just my play style but it works for me.

How many 4* have you ascended so far?

10. And the funny thing is that I play none of them in PVE or PVP. They just sit there.

In general native 5s are more powerful. There are exceptions, though. Americas is so much better as a 5* since it really brings her red power into it's own - it only works if she tanks. Polaris is also really good as a 5 as is to be expected. I've played both 4* Hulks at one time or another, they're pretty nice, and Karnak is about as good as you think he'll be. Nico also kind of outpaces Kitty as a SAP booster, so there's that.

The rest mostly sit on the bench.

That's crazy! My experience is almost completely the opposite -- given roughly equivalent levels, I've found 4* (also 1, 2, and 3*) to be stronger in basically every single case!

Yes, I'm also experiencing the opposite. I used to lean heavily on my few 550's. There were often weeks where one or two of them was better than the boosted 5's. Since ascension my 550's have mostly been riding the bench. I'm running a boosted ascended 4 star or 1 star nearly every week.

So the funny thing is the ascended characters do tend to hit harder, but they lack the bells and whistles that native-tier characters tend to have. A lot of these bells and whistles act as accelerators, so you end up using those.

We'll see, I guess. A lot of my current roster hasn't been boosted when they were ascended, so I could foresee playing around with, say, Ascended Blade or Luke. But for most weeks I went with boosted 5*s or one of my 550s because they were faster and/or more fun to play. This week Polaris has been the all-star, I've played her with both Wong and Kamala and had a lot of fun with her. My other option is Nick who isn't bad per se, but nothing to write home about.

LavaManLee

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@Carnage1484 said:

@Godzillafan67 said:
A simpler mechanism for ascended characters would be to count them as two 370s and continue the regular awarding calculations.

Nobody would double max and they don’t want that.

I might be a minority but I double max. I have no interest in getting my 4*s to Ascend until I have two at 370. Just my play style but it works for me.

How many 4* have you ascended so far?

10. And the funny thing is that I play none of them in PVE or PVP. They just sit there.

That's weird. Have you ever tried to use any of them?

Sure have. Can't find anything more fun than using my native 550 5*s than anything Ascended. The Ascended ones just kind of sit there (and yes, that includes AC and Polaris).

entrailbucket

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@Carnage1484 said:

@Godzillafan67 said:
A simpler mechanism for ascended characters would be to count them as two 370s and continue the regular awarding calculations.

Nobody would double max and they don’t want that.

I might be a minority but I double max. I have no interest in getting my 4*s to Ascend until I have two at 370. Just my play style but it works for me.

How many 4* have you ascended so far?

10. And the funny thing is that I play none of them in PVE or PVP. They just sit there.

That's weird. Have you ever tried to use any of them?

Sure have. Can't find anything more fun than using my native 550 5*s than anything Ascended. The Ascended ones just kind of sit there (and yes, that includes AC and Polaris).

That's fair, "fun" is something subjective and it's impossible to measure.

I do think most of these guys are objectively stronger, and often MUCH stronger, but if they're not as fun for you to use, then you obviously won't use them.

LavaManLee

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@entrailbucket said:

@LavaManLee said:

@Carnage1484 said:

@Godzillafan67 said:
A simpler mechanism for ascended characters would be to count them as two 370s and continue the regular awarding calculations.

Nobody would double max and they don’t want that.

I might be a minority but I double max. I have no interest in getting my 4*s to Ascend until I have two at 370. Just my play style but it works for me.

How many 4* have you ascended so far?

10. And the funny thing is that I play none of them in PVE or PVP. They just sit there.

That's weird. Have you ever tried to use any of them?

Sure have. Can't find anything more fun than using my native 550 5*s than anything Ascended. The Ascended ones just kind of sit there (and yes, that includes AC and Polaris).

That's fair, "fun" is something subjective and it's impossible to measure.

I do think most of these guys are objectively stronger, and often MUCH stronger, but if they're not as fun for you to use, then you obviously won't use them.

I think you hit on something here. What is "fun" for me may be very different for you. I enjoy the competitive part of the game, which is all about speed (in both PVE and PVP). I'm not interested in finding some unique combination that could be fun or different. I'm looking to get the best possible ranking as quickly as possible both for me and my alliance.

As such, ascending 4s do nothing for me. The fastest teams I have, that can win in both PVE and PVP, don't include Ascended 4s. It definitely doesn't mean they aren't good or valuable, they are just not for me. I enjoy the speed part of the game.

However, I know that is not the goal of everyone else. So I can definitely appreciate there are other ways to approach it and Ascending 4s may be the right way to do that. Totally am glad there are multiple ways to enjoy this game.

entrailbucket

Hmm, if speed is your only goal then you're definitely leaving something on the table if you're ignoring all those characters!

I can't speak to PvE, because being fast isn't enough to win anymore, so I gave up (I am NOT doing that spreadsheet thing or whatever it is you have to do now), but in PvP my goal is also speed. I exclusively use boosted characters and my average match against dual 550s is < 30 seconds.

In general my play style is to try to hit shield hoppers at least twice before they can finish one match, and I accomplish that a lot of the time. They're usually using the "meta" characters, and those guys are SLOW compared to the nonsense I can put together. Sometimes I can get 3 wins before they get 1!

LavaManLee

I don't do the spreadsheet thing either but can finish Top 10 in SCL 10 without much issue. I agree that the spreadsheet thing is a bit much.

To me, PVP is secondary, so your point is well taken. Maybe I can find some combos that might work for me. But, again, it is secondary so I don't bother too much. But definitely might look at some things differently based on what you mention.

entrailbucket

Some players don't want to have to learn how to use more than a few characters, or just find the same few guys fun, or want to play with their favorite Marvel guys, or any of a hundred other reasons, and that's absolutely fine.

This is a phone game, it doesn't have to be medieval warfare. You shouldn't need a strategy guide to play it, or a mental index of how 400 different characters all interact. I completely understand that and the folks who want that out of a casual free to play game.

But the depth IS there, if you want it, and it IS absolutely worth mentally indexing everybody's powers and combo potential/interactions/etc to find the most powerful or fastest stuff. It's especially now worth doing in a world where the fastest team this week might involve 1->5 Yelena, or 2->5 Daken, or boosted Mr. Sinister, or some other nonsense that nobody has considered for years.

St_Bernadus

As of midday Wednesday I have not heard back from CS regarding my ticket. Wondering if anyone else did?

sinnerjfl

Nope, not a peep from CS either, they're not even gonna answer with a condescending reply?

St_Bernadus

I have not had anything by email but I noticed my 5 Jubilee has a bunch more shards now.

sinnerjfl

Finally got a "response" over a week later, they're so happy to have feedback
but they wont do anything about it, LOL.

Oh yeah, they're totally gonna discuss this... please.

jp1

Kind of silly that this rollout doesn’t even follow their own previously stated normal behavior but it’s been completely ignored.

It should be a minimum of 6 covers. I already have her champed so it’s just cake at this point for me, but for others I could see being pretty unhappy with this.

ThaRoadWarrior

I got a response that just repeated the non-descriptive announcement thread we got here, no real resolution or even acknowledgement they understood I was asking why only 3 and not all 6.

sinnerjfl

2nd response from CS after pushing a bit, they just quoted me their policy on retro rewards for ascended chars. There, don't waste your time they won't do anything.

What a terrible way to handle the situation.

TheXMan

Oh, CS...the Cover Swap team

dianetics

No offense guys, but it’s tough to feel bad about this. Since Jube’s already gave rewards for Jean.
Missing out on a cover or two while also double dipping, yeah you can miss me on that.
The outrage is not nearly that strong.

St_Bernadus

If you know not of what you speak, probably best not to comment.
Folks that Ascended right away got no retro rewards at all. This is a fairly small group and that CS is not helping this group out is disappointing to say the least.
But lesson learned: do not ascend till your dupe is 290 at least.

ThaRoadWarrior

It’s only disappointing because of the misleading comms about it. I was fine getting no retros when they first announced ascending, and I’ll survive now too. But it’s still a lame loophole to introduce.