Discussion on retro rewards policy in regard to character ascension

GrimSkald

@bigjojo04 said:

@GrimSkald said:

@Borstock said:

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Now who had "angry because I've ascended and want to have what everyone else gets" on their mpq bingo card?
I knew this was coming weeks ago and I've stocked up popcorn ready for this armageddon.
I'm gonna enjoy this

Once it happened with Nico, I knew this was coming.

I honest to goodness would not have ascended her if she wasn't the featured 4*. I even thought hard about it before pressing that button. That's what I get for trying to have fun with the game.

Considering they made it clear before ascension started that they wouldn’t give retro rewards for any ascended characters that gave everyone out there the choice of what to do with the character once you get to that point. You made that choice knowing the consequences so deal with it.

Right, so you're saying we shouldn't use the Ascension system. After all, it has consequences.

Consequences for a badly worked out system have other consequences in turn. I'm not spending any more money on this game until they sort this out. All the money I spend is more-or-less bells and whistles stuff anyway, so I'll just go Free-to-play until I decide if I want to keep spending my time on this any longer.

We'll see if I'm alone in this regard, I strongly suspect I'm not.

St_Bernadus

@Codex said:

@St_Bernadus said:

@Codex said:
I completely disagree, it has been stated it was a one time exception what happened with Nico and hunter. I would be pretty annoyed if they go back on this once again.

Although in this case, folks may have Ascended X23 since she was a feeder for Samurai Daken.

This no retro feeders for Ascended is maddening because it discourages players from advancing their rosters. And if a feeder is changed, then you still don't get the retro rewards other players do, then when can you safely Ascend anyone?

Do you think it was fair for them to award player 12 covers of hunter regardless on level of the 2nd Nico? Maybe you want another 12 covers for x-23?

I saw so many ascended nico players complaining about that compensation.sarcasm

Here is a solution maybe get rid of all retro rewards completely.

Well no as that was some nonsense as well. Just want to know if I should Ascend for 12 covers or stick with the 7 I should get right now.

Daredevil217

I feel like the conventional wisdom from even the most conservative hoarders was don’t ascend unless the person has a feeder.

Now I believe it’s simply, don’t ascend because at any point feeders can and will change and you risk missing out.

I am going the max/max route with my 4s and my second X-23 isn’t close to maxed yet, so I should get my 9 covers. That said, even with me benefiting, I still think this is just a bad aspect to this feature- incentivizing folks not to ascend.

The people who would get upset if they went back on this and awarded covers crack me up. That’s some next level spite for something that doesn’t even impact them.

Either way, I’d love to hear more developer input on this as they have to get that this puts a damper on what otherwise should be a universally celebrated feature.

bigjojo04

@GrimSkald said:

@bigjojo04 said:

@GrimSkald said:

@Borstock said:

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Now who had "angry because I've ascended and want to have what everyone else gets" on their mpq bingo card?
I knew this was coming weeks ago and I've stocked up popcorn ready for this armageddon.
I'm gonna enjoy this

Once it happened with Nico, I knew this was coming.

I honest to goodness would not have ascended her if she wasn't the featured 4*. I even thought hard about it before pressing that button. That's what I get for trying to have fun with the game.

Considering they made it clear before ascension started that they wouldn’t give retro rewards for any ascended characters that gave everyone out there the choice of what to do with the character once you get to that point. You made that choice knowing the consequences so deal with it.

Right, so you're saying we shouldn't use the Ascension system. After all, it has consequences.

Consequences for a badly worked out system have other consequences in turn. I'm not spending any more money on this game until they sort this out. All the money I spend is more-or-less bells and whistles stuff anyway, so I'll just go Free-to-play until I decide if I want to keep spending my time on this any longer.

We'll see if I'm alone in this regard, I strongly suspect I'm not.

No where in my response did i say anything about not ascending. The choice is up to each individual person whether they want to ascend or not and there’s clearly consequences to doing both. Either you get a stronger version of the character or you hold out hope of potential rewards somewhere down the line. It was stated like that as such. Complain about how bad a system you may think it might be but it was stated as such day 1. Just because you’re having buyers remorse now doesn’t mean you should be rewarded with the rewards you left on the table when you were also able to use a stronger version of the character all that time too. It’s one or the other since they introduced this.

DrClever

@Daredevil217 said:

The people who would get upset if they went back on this and awarded covers crack me up. That’s some next level spite for something that doesn’t even impact them.

I'm not sure there actually are any of those, but wouldn't they have a point given the competitive nature of the game?

If the stated rule is that there's a potential future downside to something and they chose the short term disadvantage of not doing it only to find that the rule changes on the fly, isn't their pathetic whinge at least as valid as the pathetic whinge of those who did the opposite knowing they might suffer some barely perceptible slowing of their inexorable advance in their favourite toilet game and who are now faced with precisely that consequence of their action?

ElectricVasting

The initial Ascension FAQ stated that retros wouldn't be given for ascended 4s. So the players who read the initial FAQ and took the devs at their word, made their Ascension choices based on whether they were willing to give up the feeder retro rewards in exchange for 5-star rewards and an ascended character.

The players who ascended them immediately got 4x the 5-star rewards (what was it, like 25 LLs and 500 CP per four-star?), then another batch of retro rewards when the rewards were fixed, and now are getting 12 covers of the retro.

How is that fair to the players who believed the devs from day-one?

GrimSkald

@bigjojo04 said:

@GrimSkald said:

@bigjojo04 said:

@GrimSkald said:

@Borstock said:

@ThisisClemFandango said:
Now who had "angry because I've ascended and want to have what everyone else gets" on their mpq bingo card?
I knew this was coming weeks ago and I've stocked up popcorn ready for this armageddon.
I'm gonna enjoy this

Once it happened with Nico, I knew this was coming.

I honest to goodness would not have ascended her if she wasn't the featured 4*. I even thought hard about it before pressing that button. That's what I get for trying to have fun with the game.

Considering they made it clear before ascension started that they wouldn’t give retro rewards for any ascended characters that gave everyone out there the choice of what to do with the character once you get to that point. You made that choice knowing the consequences so deal with it.

Right, so you're saying we shouldn't use the Ascension system. After all, it has consequences.

Consequences for a badly worked out system have other consequences in turn. I'm not spending any more money on this game until they sort this out. All the money I spend is more-or-less bells and whistles stuff anyway, so I'll just go Free-to-play until I decide if I want to keep spending my time on this any longer.

We'll see if I'm alone in this regard, I strongly suspect I'm not.

No where in my response did i say anything about not ascending. The choice is up to each individual person whether they want to ascend or not and there’s clearly consequences to doing both. Either you get a stronger version of the character or you hold out hope of potential rewards somewhere down the line. It was stated like that as such. Complain about how bad a system you may think it might be but it was stated as such day 1. Just because you’re having buyers remorse now doesn’t mean you should be rewarded with the rewards you left on the table when you were also able to use a stronger version of the character all that time too. It’s one or the other since they introduced this.

LOL. All that time. I used her for one event, and I barely used her for that. She's pretty bad I'm afraid.

I shouldn't have done it, and honestly if they said, "Well, we'll give you the 12 covers for the new X-23 if you burn the 5* version completely" I'd probably say yes.

Regardless, if you can't ascend anybody because you may lose out on future rewards, then they can just not finish the system for all I care. I won't be using it.

entrailbucket

Ah, but if you ignore all evidence to the contrary and choose to treat MPQ as a single-player, PvE game where nobody else exists or matters, then giving other people rewards has zero impact on you.

I will say, though -- if you actually believed that the devs wouldn't immediately cave on this "policy," that's sorta on you. I ascended everything immediately and I fully expect to get all retro rewards forever, because there was always zero chance they'd stick to their policy once a certain group of players got upset about it.

Omegased

I would argue this is slightly different than Nico.

I've avoided ascending anyone who doesn't have a feeder for exactly this.

Since x-23 already had a (fairly) logical feeder, I figured that wouldn't ever change. So I ascended.

On one side I now have an x-23 5 star I'll barely use, and miss out on half an x-23 I'll barely use.
I don't know what I consider fair - but I do like my stuff.

GrimSkald

@Omegased said:
I would argue this is slightly different than Nico.

I've avoided ascending anyone who doesn't have a feeder for exactly this.

Since x-23 already had a (fairly) logical feeder, I figured that wouldn't ever change. So I ascended.

On one side I now have an x-23 5 star I'll barely use, and miss out on half an x-23 I'll barely use.
I don't know what I consider fair - but I do like my stuff.

I ascended X-23 on 12/11 for "Lost in Time" where she was boosted. This was before they updated the policy with Nico Minoru/Hunter.

CHRISJN

I would love to see and hope for another future one time exception for the retro rewards for us who ascended her... fingers-crossed.

KGB

@CHRISJN said:
I would love to see and hope for another future one time exception for the retro rewards for us who ascended her... fingers-crossed.

Another one time exception would essentially make it a rule to give retro rewards for ascended characters.

That would also anger many who didn't ascend on day 1 and missed out on a lot of extra rewards due to bugs plus missed out on using the ascended characters.

KGB

Daredevil217

@DrClever said:

@Daredevil217 said:

The people who would get upset if they went back on this and awarded covers crack me up. That’s some next level spite for something that doesn’t even impact them.

I'm not sure there actually are any of those, but wouldn't they have a point given the competitive nature of the game?

If the stated rule is that there's a potential future downside to something and they chose the short term disadvantage of not doing it only to find that the rule changes on the fly, isn't their pathetic whinge at least as valid as the pathetic whinge of those who did the opposite knowing they might suffer some barely perceptible slowing of their inexorable advance in their favourite toilet game and who are now faced with precisely that consequence of their action?

The very first post the person said they’d be legit angry if the devs cave. So those people do exist.

Let me be clear. I don’t think anyone who ascended is entitled to retro rewards for X-23 under the current policy. What I am arguing is that it’s a stupid policy that actively discourages utilizing a feature that I’m sure the devs spent a lot of time on. Again, I agree with everyone who said the devs were clear and a choice was given to players. I just think if a person with a fairly logical feeder already in place isn’t safe, then no one is. And that sucks. I’m not demanding anything or threatening anyone (before the hyperbole gang comes rolling around). In fact having not ascended I’ll actively benefit. I just believe that my “competition” should too. I know the idea of advocating for what I believe is fair to players who invested probably more time and money then me is a crazy concept in this fierce competitive landscape known as MPQ, but I’m still doing it.

@CHRISJN said:
I would love to see and hope for another future one time exception for the retro rewards for us who ascended her... fingers-crossed.

No more one time exceptions. Just do away with the rule altogether. This will be the test though. If they don’t go back on this particular character then it would feel like a pretty hard line in the sand. If they do a second one-time exception then it’d be hard to take the policy seriously at all. So really they need to just remove it altogether. If not, then yeah, it’s here to stay folks. Ascend at your own peril.

liminal_lad

So much resentment in this thread. That’s the only logical explanation for all the joy people are exhibiting about their fellow players not getting covers.

liminal_lad

@allen_koholic said:
Instead of whining about ascension vs rewards, can we go back to whining about how this toon kinda sucks?

The fact that they aren’t great is the one saving grace about another ascension debacle.

liminal_lad

@Codex said:

@St_Bernadus said:

@Codex said:
I completely disagree, it has been stated it was a one time exception what happened with Nico and hunter. I would be pretty annoyed if they go back on this once again.

Although in this case, folks may have Ascended X23 since she was a feeder for Samurai Daken.

This no retro feeders for Ascended is maddening because it discourages players from advancing their rosters. And if a feeder is changed, then you still don't get the retro rewards other players do, then when can you safely Ascend anyone?

Do you think it was fair for them to award player 12 covers of hunter regardless on level of the 2nd Nico? Maybe you want another 12 covers for x-23?

I saw so many ascended nico players complaining about that compensation.sarcasm

Here is a solution maybe get rid of all retro rewards completely.

Are you a new player? There’s no other real explanation for why you’re so hot to penalize veterans.

Tiger_Wong

It disappoints me that the new X-23 will be fed by my AsX-23. Especially since AsX-23 is really nothing special at all. Now I actually wish I hadn’t ascended her.

But oh well. Life goes on. I made the decision and I knew the consequences.

Carnage1484

@Tiger_Wong said:
It disappoints me that the new X-23 will be fed by my AsX-23. Especially since AsX-23 is really nothing special at all. Now I actually wish I hadn’t ascended her.

But oh well. Life goes on. I made the decision and I knew the consequences.

There shouldn’t be “consequences” for utilizing a marketed game feature. It’s a very strange take that people keep throwing out there.

Having a bad policy on day 1 doesn’t make it a good policy by day 100. The policy of “no retro rewards” is a bad policy and is not a sustainable position. It takes too much money and/or time to build these to tell those that do so they’re out of luck for being in position to use the system designed specifically for them.

turbomoose

Same here , she was at the time for me a way of creating an extra roster slot , I don’t have a use for her but for some reason I had a dupe with 13 covers

It’s disappointing as there are surely a lot of 4*s who don’t have feeders but I guess this 5 will need me to get her covers the old way of using legendary tokens and CP I’m sure I’ll have her covered eventually and hopefully the next 5 will be retro

DrClever

@Daredevil217 said:

@DrClever said:

@Daredevil217 said:

The people who would get upset if they went back on this and awarded covers crack me up. That’s some next level spite for something that doesn’t even impact them.

I'm not sure there actually are any of those

The very first post the person said they’d be legit angry if the devs cave. So those people do exist.

But we don't know that this doesn't impact them.