An ascension question

Daredevil217

Lol, it’s not like that. I’m really just trying to understand, because I don’t know if I’m missing something. Clearly, there is not a “best way“ to do this, so I’m interested in peoples reasoning for one path over another. But the logic behind this just didn’t make sense, so I wanted to see if I was missing something. Ultimately, it doesn’t bother me how other people choose to play the game.

entrailbucket

Yeah, I think in this case it's probably my bias against optimization taking over.

But also it's fun to get a bunch of rewards and open them all right away.

Bowgentle

@entrailbucket said:
Yeah, I think in this case it's probably my bias against optimization taking over.

But also it's fun to get a bunch of rewards and open them all right away.

Also this,
370 X 370 Rulk will spit out 25 champ level rewards, which is a very good reward by itself.

ThaRoadWarrior

How fast are y’all getting dupes to 370?

JoeHandle

@ThaRoadWarrior said:
How fast are y’all getting dupes to 370?

Takes a long time to get the first one ... a LONG time. But since they all progress concurrently over time, at first it's one, and then much quicker another, and then a constant drip, and then a flood.

IF I focus on one completely, as in make them the only 4* favorite until done, I can add 40 covers a month when not hoarding.

If hoarding, of course things slow down, but when the hoard pops, zoom, zoom go the 4*s

Daredevil217

@entrailbucket said:
Yeah, I think in this case it's probably my bias against optimization taking over.

But also it's fun to get a bunch of rewards and open them all right away.

See that makes more sense than the whole Arcade vs MODOK argument. I was like “isn’t this the guy who is against just going in on the “good” ones?” If you’re doing things less optimally because of your own bias it’s okay just to say that. The false logic was just confusing to me, and may be confusing to new players/those that don’t know you.

As a supervisor I often tell my team there is no one right way to do therapy (though there are wrong ones). But whatever you do, know your intention/why you’re doing it and be able to explain it. Whether the intervention works or not is less meaningful to me than what did you do and why. I think there’s an equivalency in this game. I think there are optimal strategies but those are tried to very specific goals/situations. So your optimal strategy versus mine versus new player X are going to be different based on roster, MMR, financial situation, alliance, and most importantly what we want to get out of this game.

ThaRoadWarrior

@JoeHandle said:

IF I focus on one completely, as in make them the only 4* favorite until done, I can add 40 covers a month when not hoarding.

Wow, that feels like a lot of covers for the same character in a month to me. So you could max-champ from 0 in ~3 months?

entrailbucket

@Daredevil217 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Yeah, I think in this case it's probably my bias against optimization taking over.

But also it's fun to get a bunch of rewards and open them all right away.

See that makes more sense than the whole Arcade vs MODOK argument. I was like “isn’t this the guy who is against just going in on the “good” ones?” If you’re doing things less optimally because of your own bias it’s okay just to say that. The false logic was just confusing to me, and may be confusing to new players/those that don’t know you.

As a supervisor I often tell my team there is no one right way to do therapy (though there are wrong ones). But whatever you do, know your intention/why you’re doing it and be able to explain it. Whether the intervention works or not is less meaningful to me than what did you do and why. I think there’s an equivalency in this game. I think there are optimal strategies but those are tried to very specific goals/situations. So your optimal strategy versus mine versus new player X are going to be different based on roster, MMR, financial situation, alliance, and most importantly what we want to get out of this game.

Well, I think Arcade vs MODOK is more a way to sell immediate ascension to other people. If getting the best characters is what you care about, then optimizing rewards vs getting the best characters is actually in conflict.

My actual overall strategy here is "rewards today are always better than rewards tomorrow." Like, hoarded tokens aren't doing me any good today, and neither are 4* covers trapped in non-ascended characters. The ascended characters may not help me either, but at least they could be used.

JoeHandle

@ThaRoadWarrior said:

@JoeHandle said:

IF I focus on one completely, as in make them the only 4* favorite until done, I can add 40 covers a month when not hoarding.

Wow, that feels like a lot of covers for the same character in a month to me. So you could max-champ from 0 in ~3 months?

It surprised me too

I tabulated how many covers I had on each 4 as of a certain date, and repeated the count 2mos later. I was able to note who had been in event rewards, who had been at bonus odds in classics (I spend all CP on classics, because I can cover latests with LTs), who had been favorited, etc.

Adding up all the gains demonstrated that, yeah, if I had a single favorite 4*, it would gain about 40 covers a month just from being the favorite. More if bonus'd in classics or featured in events.

Part of it is they have really upped the bonus shards, holy cow.

Serendipitously, i had reason to single favorite Karnak to get Crystal finished. Karnak was at 366. And yes, the analysis proved out, really happy to see. I had Karnak maxchamped, a dupe built, and hit 280, in less than 3 wks!

It all gets faster and faster ... rolling down the world's longest 1% grade

ThaRoadWarrior

I’ll have to track mine, because I am similarly all in on classics and I would fall over if I’m pulling down ~267 shards/day not inclusive of bonus heroes. Probably because I don’t play for placement, just full progression and whatever place that gets me to.