**** Peni Parker (Spider-Bot BFF) ****

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  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    Also, I think Peni is trash tier, more like a filler 4 Star. If I had a brand new roster I wouldn’t use her even when champed.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,468 Chairperson of the Boards

    If the devs wanted people to spend money on Peni, they did a poor job of that with the Shield Training. She looks awful vs Mysterio (granted, he's not allowed to be stunned but when stunning is kind of your thing.....).

  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards

    I think Peni is an error when it comes to development trial and error. She may also be in the category of characters for people that are not competitive and just like the character.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,013 Chairperson of the Boards

    There's a LOT of really bad 4*. She has a 4-turn stun for 7ap -- that's probably enough to put her in the top half of them.

  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    So she’s only useful as a support character and can’t actually down anyone? Someone should make a list of all 4s with a similar stun but can actually do some real damage. Assuming that’s a long list, she would be at the bottom of it.

    EDIT: Here’s some 4s with stuns costing between 5 and 9:
    Melinda
    SpiderGwen
    Gamora
    Iceman
    Polaris
    Bloodstone
    Wasp
    Lizard
    Widow
    Mantis
    Mr Fantastic
    Red
    Strange
    Cap Worthy
    Talos
    Sandman

    There’s probably more

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,013 Chairperson of the Boards

    She also has a single target damage power that seems in line with cost/value for the tier, and an AoE.

    I guess I don't understand how she's trash tier when there are tons of guys that are significantly worse than her.

    ...unless the argument is that there are really only two tiers at 4* -- Polaris and friends/Deathlok/etc, and the trash tier. I can get behind that one!

  • DAZ0273
    DAZ0273 Posts: 10,356 Chairperson of the Boards

    Having another stuns on blue 4* is about as useful as Hawkman applying to join the Legion of Superheroes.

    "Oh you can fly? Well, yeah they give you your Legion flight ring on day one so we all can fly, even the guy who looks like a large block of granite! What else you got?"

  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    @entrailbucket Alright, here’s a fair analysis of her at level 270:

    7 Red Hit deals (with 1 tile) 4,259, which is 608 dmg/AP

    6 Black AOE deals (with 1 tile) 2,255 + 1,029 + 1,029 + (450 x 3) = 5,663, which is 944 dmg/AP

    Caveats: both powers require collecting Blue to stun in order to get the extra dmg, plus the AOE hurts your team for 450 dmg.

    In comparison to the rest of the tier, dmg/AP for “good” powers is around 1,000/AP. So, her red is weak and her black is good but both powers have a condition and I’m not fond of the self damage.

    We can compare her AOE to:
    Kingpin - 6 Black deals 2,176 (conditional)
    Lizard - 7 Green deals 2,033 + 1,088 + 1,088
    Carnage - 7 Red deals 4,890 + 1,803 to all
    Maria Hill - 7 Blue deals 2,331 + invisibility

    We can compare her Single Hit to:
    Sabretooth - 6 Red deals 8K
    Legion - 6 Red deals 5,324 (conditional)
    Black Cat - 6 Green deals 6,851 (conditional)
    Drax - 8 Red deals 8,009 (conditional)
    Red - 8 Red deals 9,334 (conditional)

    So, her black AOE is OK but not as good as others. Her red Hit is weak for being conditional. Her blue stun is standard issue. To be fair, she’s not trash but still below average.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,013 Chairperson of the Boards

    So she's a package of a decent stun + mostly average damage powers for 4*. Seems...fine?

  • Seph1roth5
    Seph1roth5 Posts: 435 Mover and Shaker

    I'd say sub-fine to fine lol, but for new people that don't have any of the other dozen, sure why not. This comes up every time a new character comes up though lol. A lot of people say "meh never going to use them" and other people come back that not everyone has to be meta.

    Tbf there's tons of 4* I never use unless it's required or puzzle gauntlet.

    4* I actually use:
    polaris/rocket/juggs
    chavez
    vulture
    deathlok

    That's it. So unless someone else comes out that combos really well with 5* or somehow makes the lv 65 jerkfights even faster, these don't apply to me anyway.

  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    @Seph1roth5 said:
    I'd say sub-fine to fine lol, but for new people that don't have any of the other dozen, sure why not. This comes up every time a new character comes up though lol. A lot of people say "meh never going to use them" and other people come back that not everyone has to be meta.

    Tbf there's tons of 4* I never use unless it's required or puzzle gauntlet.

    4* I actually use:
    polaris/rocket/juggs
    chavez
    vulture
    deathlok

    That's it. So unless someone else comes out that combos really well with 5* or somehow makes the lv 65 jerkfights even faster, these don't apply to me anyway.

    In the 5* Softcap world, you'll see the following 4/5 combos:

    • Okoye + Gore (likely to be replaced with Omega Red)
    • Chasm + 2099/Silk/Moondragon
    • Shang + Karnak/Chavez/Valkyrie/Melinda
    • Kang + Deathlok
    • MThor + Polaris/Mantis
    • Kitty + Grocket

    You might see Medusa/Juggs/Vulture mixed in some matches. Personally I like Morbius in PvE for special tile, but that's about it for 4s even when boosted. Peni will never be one of those 4s that can be used with 5s, or even 3s

  • turbomoose
    turbomoose Posts: 809 Critical Contributor

    Why when I look at the front screen of mechanical mayhem does it look like Spider bot is flipping me the middle finger??

    Not helped by the fact that when I switch between apps I’m only seeing half the screen for mpq so I only see the first part of the hand !!

  • BlackBoltRocks
    BlackBoltRocks Posts: 1,194 Chairperson of the Boards

    She may also be in the category of characters for people that are not competitive and just like the character.

    So...just like Gwenom.

  • bbigler
    bbigler Posts: 2,111 Chairperson of the Boards

    I know you’re just egging me on, but Gwenom is different

  • Punisher5784
    Punisher5784 Posts: 3,845 Chairperson of the Boards

    @bbigler said:
    I know you’re just egging me on, but Gwenom is different

    Differently bad

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,013 Chairperson of the Boards

    Gwenom is a combo piece for a combo that doesn't actually exist yet. There's a few of those around.

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    Gwenom is a combo piece for a combo that doesn't actually exist yet. There's a few of those around.

    It's like those games which "get really good after 60 hours".
    Only, Gwenom might get her partner 3 years down the line.

  • LavaManLee
    LavaManLee Posts: 1,468 Chairperson of the Boards

    5Magneto is still waiting for his. Heimdall also.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 6,013 Chairperson of the Boards

    @Bowgentle said:
    @entrailbucket said:

    It's like those games which "get really good after 60 hours".
    Only, Gwenom might get her partner 3 years down the line.

    Or, she never gets it, and remains in the "untapped potential" category forever (like Heimdall, as noted above).

  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited September 2023

    They probably forgot Heimdull existed, hence using Sam as his feeder with that weird explanation.