Discussion on PVP MMR

entrailbucket

You said that players who play strategically and advance their rosters should be rewarded, instead of being punished with more difficult matches. I've played strategically and built my roster up to many maximum characters -- why am I shown more difficult matches than, say, a 4* player? Shouldn't I be rewarded with easier matches?

If you're arguing that Spider-Woman is a better choice than Polaris in some particular situation, please provide video evidence of said situation.

It's all well and good to complain about "speed meta", but that is the game that exists. When they introduce some mode that isn't based on speed, we can evaluate characters for that mode. Until then, it's a worthless exercise to hypothetically evaluate characters in a mode that doesn't yet exist.

Phumade

We could have a leaderboard/quests for puzzlequest type conditions, that could be a good incentive for early in the event. So Day 1, people could do flood the board with web tile quests, and then do their normal climb and shield hops on day 2-3. Tier 5 quests could be complete 4 protects in each corner in 100 matches for a 4*.

Scofie

@entrailbucket said:
You said that players who play strategically and advance their rosters should be rewarded, instead of being punished with more difficult matches. I've played strategically and built my roster up to many maximum characters -- why am I shown more difficult matches than, say, a 4* player? Shouldn't I be rewarded with easier matches?

If you're arguing that Spider-Woman is a better choice than Polaris in some particular situation, please provide video evidence of said situation.

It's all well and good to complain about "speed meta", but that is the game that exists. When they introduce some mode that isn't based on speed, we can evaluate characters for that mode. Until then, it's a worthless exercise to hypothetically evaluate characters in a mode that doesn't yet exist.

Mod mode off

Spider Woman was better during some GotG milestones. You could match 100 of each colour and still not kill the enemy...

entrailbucket

Sure, so in a case where the requirement is "be as terrible as possible," she wins. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is.

I'm just a little sick of this "well, that's not a bad character, you're just not being creative enough! There is definitely a situation where X terrible character is better than Y overpowered character!"

Great, then provide a video demonstration of said situation and we can all figure out if you're right!

DAZ0273

@Scofie said:

@entrailbucket said:
You said that players who play strategically and advance their rosters should be rewarded, instead of being punished with more difficult matches. I've played strategically and built my roster up to many maximum characters -- why am I shown more difficult matches than, say, a 4* player? Shouldn't I be rewarded with easier matches?

If you're arguing that Spider-Woman is a better choice than Polaris in some particular situation, please provide video evidence of said situation.

It's all well and good to complain about "speed meta", but that is the game that exists. When they introduce some mode that isn't based on speed, we can evaluate characters for that mode. Until then, it's a worthless exercise to hypothetically evaluate characters in a mode that doesn't yet exist.

Mod mode off

Spider Woman was better during some GotG milestones. You could match 100 of each colour and still not kill the enemy...

We had better hope there is never a Spider Woman milestone quest where we have to fire her red 100 times, we would need at least a month for that one...

Bowgentle

@entrailbucket said:
Sure, so in a case where the requirement is "be as terrible as possible," she wins. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is.

I'm just a little sick of this "well, that's not a bad character, you're just not being creative enough! There is definitely a situation where X terrible character is better than Y overpowered character!"

Great, then provide a video demonstration of said situation and we can all figure out if you're right!

That guy was shown the door, though.

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:
Sure, so in a case where the requirement is "be as terrible as possible," she wins. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is.

I'm just a little sick of this "well, that's not a bad character, you're just not being creative enough! There is definitely a situation where X terrible character is better than Y overpowered character!"

Great, then provide a video demonstration of said situation and we can all figure out if you're right!

It is definitely a gotcha coz he was obviously making a joke!

Scofie

We had better hope there is never a Spider Woman milestone quest where we have to fire her red 100 times, we would need at least a month for that one...

** Mod mode off**

I can see the milestone now:

"Fire System Shock 100 times before you die".

entrailbucket

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Sure, so in a case where the requirement is "be as terrible as possible," she wins. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is.

I'm just a little sick of this "well, that's not a bad character, you're just not being creative enough! There is definitely a situation where X terrible character is better than Y overpowered character!"

Great, then provide a video demonstration of said situation and we can all figure out if you're right!

It is definitely a gotcha coz he was obviously making a joke!

If I had a dollar for every time I assumed a post like this was a joke and found out it was serious...well, I'd have an awful lot of dollars (mostly due to...uh...that one guy).

DAZ0273

@Scofie said:

We had better hope there is never a Spider Woman milestone quest where we have to fire her red 100 times, we would need at least a month for that one...

** Mod mode off**

I can see the milestone now:

"Fire System Shock 100 times before you die".

"Put the phone down Sir, we know you've been under a lot of stress lately but you need to walk away now. You haven't slept for 8 days and it is obviously affecting your mental state"

"No!!!! You don't understand! The Spider Woman commands me and I have nearly done it, just one more time...SYSTEM SHOCK!!"

"Deploy the taser now!!!"

DAZ0273

@entrailbucket said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Sure, so in a case where the requirement is "be as terrible as possible," she wins. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is.

I'm just a little sick of this "well, that's not a bad character, you're just not being creative enough! There is definitely a situation where X terrible character is better than Y overpowered character!"

Great, then provide a video demonstration of said situation and we can all figure out if you're right!

It is definitely a gotcha coz he was obviously making a joke!

If I had a dollar for every time I assumed a post like this was a joke and found out it was serious...well, I'd have an awful lot of dollars (mostly due to...uh...that one guy).

I actually think she could be worse because her purple power is only half terrible. Hopefully they can give her a balance pass that makes the slightly OK part of that only work on Limited characters, then she can be a truly balanced bad at everything superstar.

Scofie

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Sure, so in a case where the requirement is "be as terrible as possible," she wins. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is.

I'm just a little sick of this "well, that's not a bad character, you're just not being creative enough! There is definitely a situation where X terrible character is better than Y overpowered character!"

Great, then provide a video demonstration of said situation and we can all figure out if you're right!

It is definitely a gotcha coz he was obviously making a joke!

If I had a dollar for every time I assumed a post like this was a joke and found out it was serious...well, I'd have an awful lot of dollars (mostly due to...uh...that one guy).

I actually think she could be worse because her purple power is only half terrible. Hopefully they can give her a balance pass that makes the slightly OK part of that only work on Limited characters, then she can be a truly balanced bad at everything superstar.

Mod mode off

I think you're being very generous about the purple power - I actually prefer the others. And she is overall, better than Talos, despite his stun; stunning someone for a few turns and not doing anything else until they wake up and beat you up is no way to live.

entrailbucket

@Scofie said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Sure, so in a case where the requirement is "be as terrible as possible," she wins. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is.

I'm just a little sick of this "well, that's not a bad character, you're just not being creative enough! There is definitely a situation where X terrible character is better than Y overpowered character!"

Great, then provide a video demonstration of said situation and we can all figure out if you're right!

It is definitely a gotcha coz he was obviously making a joke!

If I had a dollar for every time I assumed a post like this was a joke and found out it was serious...well, I'd have an awful lot of dollars (mostly due to...uh...that one guy).

I actually think she could be worse because her purple power is only half terrible. Hopefully they can give her a balance pass that makes the slightly OK part of that only work on Limited characters, then she can be a truly balanced bad at everything superstar.

Mod mode off

I think you're being very generous about the purple power - I actually prefer the others. And she is overall, better than Talos, despite his stun; stunning someone for a few turns and not doing anything else until they wake up and beat you up is no way to live.

I hope she's on a list somewhere -- she's become my new go-to example because I think she's actually worse than Talos. That red power has to be one of the worst in the entire game, her purple is a modal thing where somehow both modes are terrible, and her black is overpriced and unreliable.

Scofie

@entrailbucket said:

@Scofie said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:

@DAZ0273 said:

@entrailbucket said:
Sure, so in a case where the requirement is "be as terrible as possible," she wins. I don't think this is the gotcha you think it is.

I'm just a little sick of this "well, that's not a bad character, you're just not being creative enough! There is definitely a situation where X terrible character is better than Y overpowered character!"

Great, then provide a video demonstration of said situation and we can all figure out if you're right!

It is definitely a gotcha coz he was obviously making a joke!

If I had a dollar for every time I assumed a post like this was a joke and found out it was serious...well, I'd have an awful lot of dollars (mostly due to...uh...that one guy).

I actually think she could be worse because her purple power is only half terrible. Hopefully they can give her a balance pass that makes the slightly OK part of that only work on Limited characters, then she can be a truly balanced bad at everything superstar.

Mod mode off

I think you're being very generous about the purple power - I actually prefer the others. And she is overall, better than Talos, despite his stun; stunning someone for a few turns and not doing anything else until they wake up and beat you up is no way to live.

I hope she's on a list somewhere -- she's become my new go-to example because I think she's actually worse than Talos. That red power has to be one of the worst in the entire game, her purple is a modal thing where somehow both modes are terrible, and her black is overpriced and unreliable.

Mod mode off

Yeah, but other than that, she great. 👍

ShionSinX

@DAZ0273 said:
There is a way to see what your MMR current ranking looks like through team ups received from Alliance members although I can't remember exactly how it works - maybe if a player who has a higher level character than your version sends you that team up you get it at your MMR rank? That could be wrong. Someone on here will know exactly how it works. In my experience that rank is usually slightly higher than your top character but I assume it varies.
Surprised people are not using Morbius - is he not a better counter than Sabretooth to Polaris?

IIRC you can check your MMR bracket by the level of the enemies on sidenodes of boss events. With my handful of level 240s the strongest enemies were lv228 during the most recent boss.

And you'd be surprised at how many people ignore 'Polaris counters' on 4★ tier simply because MT exists. I avoid Pol/MT teams because its not worth it, tho I do use Gorr myself to feast on those Pol/Grocket teams here and there. It consumes a bit more healthpacks but on the flipside they never retaliate, unlike what happens with Pol/MT (they always hit you back). Sadly I came in too late to cash into MT

_TrashPanda

@Bowgentle said:
I will next time he comes around.
I'm impressed by Gambit this PVP though, he's actually a threat now!

Agreed. I think they've done a good job on the Gambut buff.