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  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    I'm not sure if it's important for them to make this policy known, given that the percentage of players with 550 are rare. Now that I know the latest policy about latest swapping, the next thing I'm going to do with the information is to ignore it since I, like majority of players, won't have the chance to use this service.

    Not everything has to be equal in life. There are players who get better "services, just like how in real life, some service staffs give "better" services to some other customers. If I know about this, I'm not going to demand the company to publicise how to get "better" service from them.

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    And now I questions why it's guaranteed that there are players getting better services.
    Actually that it's not really different than saying that the CS policy has changed x times.
    A logic exercise: wait a moment and think if you were running a public service. Would you give better treatment to some customers than others? Would you risk to lose everything if all jumped to public knowledge?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,992 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited February 2023

    It's a pay to win game, so I'm fine with players who pay more getting better service -- it's not fair, but it shouldn't be fair. At a casino, whales are treated much better than penny slot machine players.

    What I don't get is giving superior service to players who pay nothing, just because they've chosen to follow a certain roster building strategy (one that's already optimal). I guarantee I've spent significantly more than many of the megahoarders, and yet I can't take advantage of this superior customer service because I haven't spent money on Latest tokens.

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    There are news of companies giving exceptional services to other customers being reported worldwide. I think only petty people would be unhappy with that, and it's probably those "If I can't have it, you can't have it too" type of customers.

    I'm not sure how MPQ is a p2w game, given that you said players who paid nothing can get 550 rosters. This service applies specificially to Latest and you chose to spend on Classics. If this applies to Classic tokens as well, and they deny you the service, then you've a case.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,992 Chairperson of the Boards

    It's a part of the "pay to win" genre of games because they sell resources that can be used to compete. Spending money is meant to give you an advantage in the game. If they only sold costumes, for example, that would not be "pay to win."

    You do understand that this game exists to make money, right? How...do you think they do that?

  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards

    It's not necessary to spend money, as you've pointed out. It's one of the options out there to progress more quickly.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,992 Chairperson of the Boards

    Of course it's not necessary to spend money, and I never said that. You claimed that spending money gave one no advantage, which is demonstrably false.

    You also claimed that the topic of this thread has no relevance to you and that you'd do nothing with this information, yet here you are, still strenuously arguing about it and debating minor rhetorical points as if it's the most important thing in the world. Perhaps, take your own advice?

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    @entrailbucket said:

    What I don't get is giving superior service to players who pay nothing, just because they've chosen to follow a certain roster building strategy (one that's already optimal). I guarantee I've spent significantly more than many of the megahoarders, and yet I can't take advantage of this superior customer service because I haven't spent money on Latest tokens.

    Can you see why this topic is not something susceptible to officially announce it by devs? There would be way more negative reactions that any others.
    You always claim it's so good to pull from classics and it gives too many resources.
    Now you claim you can't take advantage of a "superior costumer service".
    I think there is a simple solution here, stop pulling from classics.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,992 Chairperson of the Boards

    Perhaps, if it's something that can't be made public because it would cause such a negative reaction, then it's something that shouldn't be done at all.

    My strategy is optimal if your goal is to level every character evenly, and you want a wide variety of characters to use. If your goal is to win, going all in is a far superior strategy.

  • Akoni
    Akoni Posts: 790 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:
    Customer service replied to my ticket and told me that the swap policy is explained in this forum post, from 2018:

    https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/73373/latest-legends-5-star-cover-exchanges-updated-6-15-18/p1

    They mentioned that changes have been made to the policy, but not necessarily to the post. They didn't have any information on why the policy only applies to Latest.

    It would still be nice if someone from the devs could update the post or create a new one with the current details of the policy, and let us know when changes are made.

    Judging from the post @entrailbucket linked above, this doesn't sound like "better" service, just "a" service that is available to eligible customers. If I purchased an economy sedan from a company that had a program for its luxury sedan, I would not be eligible for that program. My roster resembles that of a classic sedan (300s) rather than a luxury sedan (550) so I am not eligible for the luxury-tier program (cover swaps).

  • IrisRyu
    IrisRyu Posts: 174 Tile Toppler

    One interesting thing that was intimated by OP, but I think got a little lost amidst the lack of clarity re the current cover swap policy, is that there’s a LL 550 train. What would we call it, Hoard & Board?

    I mean, the traditional all-in strategy gets you 3 LL’s maxed and covers for a classic and then it’s back to hoarding for the next trio. Anecdotally, at least a few players have been skipping the re-hoarding and parlaying the current cover swap policy into a continuing string of 550’s. If you get a functional month long head start on covers for the newest LL, I think you could keep max covering all 5*’s. It definitely wouldn’t be F2P, but I don’t think it would be thousands of dollars to maintain either. I would be very curious to know how much a ticket on that train costs!

  • KGB
    KGB Posts: 3,286 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2023

    @IrisRyu said:
    If you get a functional month long head start on covers for the newest LL, I think you could keep max covering all 5*’s. It definitely wouldn’t be F2P, but I don’t think it would be thousands of dollars to maintain either. I would be very curious to know how much a ticket on that train costs!

    Once you have 2 maxed that means all 15% draw rate goes to the newest rotating in character thanks to swaps. You need 113 covers to hit 550. If you didn't earn any covers at all from PvE shards/boss events etc then that means you need 113/.15=753 pulls to get a brand new 5* to 550. Lets say you can reasonably earn 10 covers from PvE shards/Boss event etc leaving you needing 103/.15=686 draws.

    If you earn say 5 draws a day (LT+CP) then you earn 150 in a month. That means you need to come up with 536 draws via CP (buy clubs). 536 draws is 13400 CP (536x25). A stark buy club nets you 7*20=140 CP so you'd need 95 stark buy clubs (13400/140=95). At 99 a pop that's 99x95=$9405 a month to board this train.

    For each extra cover you earn a day you save 30x25=750 CP needed from buy clubs which is 750/140=5 less buy clubs or 500 savings. So if you earn 6 draws the cost is 8900, 7 draws 8400 and so on.

    KGB

  • IrisRyu
    IrisRyu Posts: 174 Tile Toppler

    Thanks; I’ll be letting the perpetual 550 train pass me by then!

  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards

    I guess people suppossdly ra8ding 550 trains arein top alliances and each pve/pvp they get at least 2 LLs.
    Still it should be too expensive to keep many months in a row.

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,992 Chairperson of the Boards

    Players spending $10,000/month should absolutely be able to get every new character to 550.

  • Timemachinego
    Timemachinego Posts: 512 Critical Contributor

    @entrailbucket said:
    Players spending $10,000/month should absolutely be able to get every new character to 550.

    I don't think any of those are left, maybe aside from a blue bomber?

  • entrailbucket
    entrailbucket Posts: 5,992 Chairperson of the Boards

    There's only a few who ever hit that range and the ones I know about are all gone now.

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