HoundofShadow said: [snip]I'm not sure what kind of grinding requires more than 1 hour of pves everyday, unless you are playing for fun using different teams or you are taking on something more than your roster can handle. For example, you are a 4-star player with champed Polaris + with a few cover BRB playing scl 10 spending 1 hour to grind pve. In this particular scenario, it's not the dev problem that the 4-star players are spending 1 hour to clear pve. It's the player's problem. SCL 10 was meant for veteran players to challenge their roster, not for 4* players to finish as fast a 5* players with the "right" 5*.[snip]
Godzillafan67 said: HoundofShadow said: [snip]I'm not sure what kind of grinding requires more than 1 hour of pves everyday, unless you are playing for fun using different teams or you are taking on something more than your roster can handle. For example, you are a 4-star player with champed Polaris + with a few cover BRB playing scl 10 spending 1 hour to grind pve. In this particular scenario, it's not the dev problem that the 4-star players are spending 1 hour to clear pve. It's the player's problem. SCL 10 was meant for veteran players to challenge their roster, not for 4* players to finish as fast a 5* players with the "right" 5*.[snip] You see me! Champed but sub-300 Polaris, 1/3/2 BRB and 3/5/2 Kitty vs SCL10 for all the 5* covers!!With that team, SCL10 takes about 1.5-2 hours. It doesn't matter what SCL10 was intended to be or who it was intended for, it gives the best rewards for those who are starting the 4* to 5* transition. Is it the dev's problem or my problem that I didn't wait until I was a veteran player? Is it my fault that I wasn't a veteran player by SHIELD Rank 120? Que sera, sera.P.S. I'll soon have a champed Shang-Chi and am already mostly using him instead in PvE. It's faster, but I don't have any fellow 5* characters to support him. Playing SC is a lot more fun though!
HoundofShadow said: That's not the point. You are bringing a level 300+ (defensive) team into scl 10 where the enemy levels are between 500 to 650. Naturally, it's going to take a long time (1-2 hours, assuming 3+2). With Polaris +R4G, you can finish scl 9 sub using ~25 minutes clear and ~25 minutes grind. If getting an extra 200 or more 5* shards and a couple 4* cover is more important than having an extra hour in your life per day, then it's a choice you or other players in similar situation chose to make. If someone in such similar situation (spend 1-2 hours in scl 10) and similar roster expect the dev to shave off 50% of playtime for full progression in scl 10 for them, then it doesn't make sense. ~30 minutes clear are achieved by 5* (meta) rosters. If a 4* players using defensive teams start clearing scl 10 in 30 minutes, then something is wrong with the game, unless the dev creates scl 11. But history is going to repeat again anyway because you or other (4*) players are going to jump to scl 11 and spend maybe 2-3 hours instead.I play scl 9 most of the time and I probably played fewer than 20 or 30 runs of scl 10 pves since its existence. While I miss out on those extra shards and covers in scl 10, which result in slower progress, but it's a tradeoff everyone has to make.
HoundofShadow said: You are playing a F2P game. Their business model has always been you either play hard (time) or spend hard (money). No norm dev will create a F2P game where you don't have to play hard/spend hard and yet can progress as fast those who play hard. F2P business model has been working (well) for decades, regardless of how much you hate these business models. And Diablo Immoral under Blizzard has also joined this.
HoundofShadow said: You need to read the posts from page 1 where it mentioned 50% reduction in pve clear time to understand the context and he wasn't involved in the initial context. I was replying to Vhailorx in the previous posts.I didn't say scl 10 can only be for 5* players. I'm saying if 4* players go into scl 10 expecting the dev to reduce their clear time such that they are getting full progression as fast as 5* (meta) rosters, then it doesn't make sense. The levels in scl 10 is 500-650. He's bringing a sub 300 4* roster to fight against enemy teams twice his strength. Of course it'a going to take a long time. On top of that, he's using a defensive team to clear scl 10, which will take even longer. You don't need to clear CN and 5* for full progressions, just in case anyone doesn't know this.And as for the personal choice assumption, it's a logical assumption. Everyone has 24 hours per day in their life. If someone wants to dedicate 2 hours to clear scl 10 pve because they want to get the best rewards in the game, how is that not a personal choice?
HoundofShadow said:I play scl 9 most of the time and I probably played fewer than 20 or 30 runs of scl 10 pves since its existence. While I miss out on those extra shards and covers in scl 10, which result in slower progress, but it's a tradeoff everyone has to make.
HoundofShadow said:There are MPQ players in reddit who have been playing MPQ for over 7 years, and their best rosters are a few champed 4*, with none of the 5* champed. Strangely enough, they don't talk about how they have to "catch up" or how they have to "grind" hours everyday to "progress"? As a matter of fact, they still enjoy playing MPQ with that kind of roster. Why? How is this even possible? Why is it that this group of players look at MPQ so differently from other group of players?