Need advice: Shang-Chi or BRB?

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  • Captain_Trips88
    Captain_Trips88 Posts: 268 Mover and Shaker
    helix72 said:
    I’m not surprised he’s faster than BRB + Kitty + Polaris, frankly that’s a slower team. But I doubt he’s faster than Okoye + iHulk + 3* Thanos or 1/2 Thor + Okoye + Polaris. I say doubt because I haven’t tested it so it’s just a hypothesis.
    Again, this thread is the OP wanting to decide between BRB and SC. How are those teams relevant to the discussion?
  • Captain_Trips88
    Captain_Trips88 Posts: 268 Mover and Shaker
    entrailbucket said:
    Akoni said:
    entrailbucket said:
    Godzillafan67 said:
    I had a retal in sim for a team consisting of Alligator Loki, Shang-Chi, and 2* Mags. I sorely wanted there to be a "props" button so that I could let the other player know that I really enjoyed seeing that team.
    Alligator Loki + Shang-Chi is *legit*, I run Shang-Chi/Cyclops/Alligator Loki on challenge nodes and win easily.
    I assume you're using Cy (yellow) and Loki (black) for their board shake.
    Cyclops green also converts 7 tiles to red!

    There's even more synergy though.  Cyclops yellow is good boardshake to keep your combo going, but it *also* gives Shang-Chi a stacking 75% match damage boost every time you cast it.

    Loki works because his black power is also cheap boardshake, but he charges 4 tiles if he's invisible.  Shang-Chi loves charged tiles -- 3x match damage.

    So basically, instead of only chasing red and purple, you store up enough to cast a few of red, purple, green, yellow, or black, then go to town.  In the process you'll get a bunch more of those colors and you can keep going forever.
    Black bolt is quite fun too for the charge tile game, even better if the numbers fall in your favour and he starts charging  purple or red. Once the combos are high enough though all matches do crazy damage. Hit 260k with a crit, match 5 with 4 charged tiles. And thats unboosted at 12 covers
  • Yepyep
    Yepyep Posts: 954 Critical Contributor
    edited October 2021
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Sighclops green to add 9 7 red as well
    entrailbucket said:
    Akoni said:
    entrailbucket said:
    Godzillafan67 said:
    I had a retal in sim for a team consisting of Alligator Loki, Shang-Chi, and 2* Mags. I sorely wanted there to be a "props" button so that I could let the other player know that I really enjoyed seeing that team.
    Alligator Loki + Shang-Chi is *legit*, I run Shang-Chi/Cyclops/Alligator Loki on challenge nodes and win easily.
    I assume you're using Cy (yellow) and Loki (black) for their board shake.
    Cyclops green also converts 7 tiles to red!

    There's even more synergy though.  Cyclops yellow is good boardshake to keep your combo going, but it *also* gives Shang-Chi a stacking 75% match damage boost every time you cast it.

    Loki works because his black power is also cheap boardshake, but he charges 4 tiles if he's invisible.  Shang-Chi loves charged tiles -- 3x match damage.

    So basically, instead of only chasing red and purple, you store up enough to cast a few of red, purple, green, yellow, or black, then go to town.  In the process you'll get a bunch more of those colors and you can keep going forever.
    The thing is, Sighclops was ruthlessly maligned on release and for quite a while after. As it turns out, he is one of the tier's great sleepers. He brings amazing skills to the table at attainable prices -- put him with a boosted Colossus and watch tf out... I'd like to know how many people actually went to the effort of champing him as I seem to recall much discussion of waiting for him to CYCLe out before anyone would spend their LL tokens.

    Sighclops and Carbage are both two of the funniest and least apt nicknames in the game.

    P.S. Fixed your quote, @thero@ThaRoadWarrior -- hope you don't mind.

    P.P.S. This is one of the most useful threads I've ever come across. Thanks, @Akoni, for starting it. I hope you don't mind its being given a full, metastasizing tangent-treatment. There's a TON of good info here!
  • Bad
    Bad Posts: 3,146 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yepyep said:

    P.P.S. This is one of the most useful threads I've ever come across. Thanks, @Akoni, for starting it. I hope you don't mind its being given a full, metastasizing tangent-treatment. There's a TON of good info here!
    It's because some of use are continously digressing and going off topic, and sometimes something good happens (if more people joins lol).
    Be wary of me today! I feel quite a bit entitled because I won a forum contest reward.

    By the way I have 11 cyclops covers because I actually pulled when he was there but RNG gave me more of others. I just wanted his yellow at 5.
  • Daredevil217
    Daredevil217 Posts: 3,966 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2021
    Yepyep said:
    ThaRoadWarrior said:
    Sighclops green to add 9 7 red as well
    entrailbucket said:
    Akoni said:
    entrailbucket said:
    Godzillafan67 said:
    I had a retal in sim for a team consisting of Alligator Loki, Shang-Chi, and 2* Mags. I sorely wanted there to be a "props" button so that I could let the other player know that I really enjoyed seeing that team.
    Alligator Loki + Shang-Chi is *legit*, I run Shang-Chi/Cyclops/Alligator Loki on challenge nodes and win easily.
    I assume you're using Cy (yellow) and Loki (black) for their board shake.
    Cyclops green also converts 7 tiles to red!

    There's even more synergy though.  Cyclops yellow is good boardshake to keep your combo going, but it *also* gives Shang-Chi a stacking 75% match damage boost every time you cast it.

    Loki works because his black power is also cheap boardshake, but he charges 4 tiles if he's invisible.  Shang-Chi loves charged tiles -- 3x match damage.

    So basically, instead of only chasing red and purple, you store up enough to cast a few of red, purple, green, yellow, or black, then go to town.  In the process you'll get a bunch more of those colors and you can keep going forever.
    The thing is, Sighclops was ruthlessly maligned on release and for quite a while after. As it turns out, he is one of the tier's great sleepers. He brings amazing skills to the table at attainable prices -- put him with a boosted Colossus and watch tf out... I'd like to know how many people actually went to the effort of champing him as I seem to recall much discussion of waiting for him to CYCLe out before anyone would spend their LL tokens.

    Sighclops and Carbage are both two of the funniest and least apt nicknames in the game.

    P.S. Fixed your quote, @thero@ThaRoadWarrior -- hope you don't mind.

    P.P.S. This is one of the most useful threads I've ever come across. Thanks, @Akoni, for starting it. I hope you don't mind its being given a full, metastasizing tangent-treatment. There's a TON of good info here!
    Mine is exactly 450, which is really all you need. He doesn’t exactly play up well.  Only the pitiful damage on Red and the damage on black (which if you ever have access to, something went wrong!) go up with additional levels after 450. 

    Otherwise, the number of repeaters, tiles destroyed/AP gained, ally match damage % increase, tile swaps, tile conversion, and stun duration are the exact same at 450 as they are at 550 (and those are the reasons to play him, not for red/black damage). So while I definitely didn’t skip him, he’s not one I’d suggest putting a ton of levels on either. 
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Bad said:
    Yepyep said:

    P.P.S. This is one of the most useful threads I've ever come across. Thanks, @Akoni, for starting it. I hope you don't mind its being given a full, metastasizing tangent-treatment. There's a TON of good info here!
    It's because some of use are continously digressing and going off topic, and sometimes something good happens (if more people joins lol).
    Be wary of me today! I feel quite a bit entitled because I won a forum contest reward.

    By the way I have 11 cyclops covers because I actually pulled when he was there but RNG gave me more of others. I just wanted his yellow at 5.
    Congratulations on the win!
  • ThaRoadWarrior
    ThaRoadWarrior Posts: 9,454 Chairperson of the Boards
    Yepyep said:

    The thing is, Sighclops was ruthlessly maligned on release and for quite a while after. As it turns out, he is one of the tier's great sleepers. He brings amazing skills to the table at attainable prices -- put him with a boosted Colossus and watch tf out... I'd like to know how many people actually went to the effort of champing him as I seem to recall much discussion of waiting for him to CYCLe out before anyone would spend their LL tokens.

    Sighclops and Carbage are both two of the funniest and least apt nicknames in the game.

    P.S. Fixed your quote, @thero@ThaRoadWarrior -- hope you don't mind.

    P.P.S. This is one of the most useful threads I've ever come across. Thanks, @Akoni, for starting it. I hope you don't mind its being given a full, metastasizing tangent-treatment. There's a TON of good info here!
    Yeah I caught my error only after posting lol. 

    I love both Carbage and Sighclops as characters and as hilarious nicknames. Definitely the Greenland and Iceland of the 5* tier. My Sighclops dropped out at 10 covers, and I direct sharded him to completion over the next few months. I use him on a number of teams that like board shake or high match damage. I think he will get a re-evaluation at some point. Also - his black alt-state will be triggered if his bros get stunned and then stay that way, just fyi. They don’t need to be downed actually.
  • Akoni
    Akoni Posts: 790 Critical Contributor
    Bad said:
    Yepyep said:

    P.P.S. This is one of the most useful threads I've ever come across. Thanks, @Akoni, for starting it. I hope you don't mind its being given a full, metastasizing tangent-treatment. There's a TON of good info here!
    It's because some of use are continously digressing and going off topic, and sometimes something good happens (if more people joins lol).
    Be wary of me today! I feel quite a bit entitled because I won a forum contest reward.

    By the way I have 11 cyclops covers because I actually pulled when he was there but RNG gave me more of others. I just wanted his yellow at 5.
    You too? I took 3rd because I misjudged Deadpool and Jessica Jones. First win for me on a forum contest.

    The RNG got me on C5 as well. I was hoping for 5 covers on yellow, but got 8 covers on green instead. I think my last cover was his one and only red.

    @ent@entrailbucket @ThaRoadWarrior
    I tried SC with Loki and Cyclops, but I don't like it as much. I tried it with 3witch and 2* Magneto and that one worked better. I also tried SC/Cyclop5/Hulkbuster. That may be my second favorite SC team. I have not tried him with Odin and Heimdall since my Odin is at 0/0/1. 
  • Akoni
    Akoni Posts: 790 Critical Contributor
    After all of the advice given, I think I'm going to favorite Throg and BRB. It'll give me the best bang for my buck... shard(?). If the RNG is nice to me, I'll pull a few SC covers to get him looking somewhat decent. Thanks for the input everyone.
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited October 2021
    Akoni said:
    After all of the advice given, I think I'm going to favorite Throg and BRB. It'll give me the best bang for my buck... shard(?). If the RNG is nice to me, I'll pull a few SC covers to get him looking somewhat decent. Thanks for the input everyone.
    If BRB is your target you can spend all the LL. If you hoard 7500 cp you can cover anyone that comes up in a store anyways. BRB should show up at least once in the next year. That would be more reliable than shards from low coverage unless you still have all your 4* milestones to get.
  • Akoni
    Akoni Posts: 790 Critical Contributor
    Sekilicious said:
    Akoni said:
    After all of the advice given, I think I'm going to favorite Throg and BRB. It'll give me the best bang for my buck... shard(?). If the RNG is nice to me, I'll pull a few SC covers to get him looking somewhat decent. Thanks for the input everyone.
    If BRB is your target you can spend all the LL. If you hoard 7500 cp you can cover anyone that comes up in a store anyways. BRB should show up at least once in the next year. That would be more reliable than shards from low coverage unless you still have all your 4* milestones to get.
    7500 cp sounds unfathomable. I don't think I've ever saved more than 2000 cp at once. Good to know, though. Thanks.
  • helix72
    helix72 Posts: 996 Critical Contributor
    Captain_Trips88 said:
    helix72 said:
    I’m not surprised he’s faster than BRB + Kitty + Polaris, frankly that’s a slower team. But I doubt he’s faster than Okoye + iHulk + 3* Thanos or 1/2 Thor + Okoye + Polaris. I say doubt because I haven’t tested it so it’s just a hypothesis.
    Again, this thread is the OP wanting to decide between BRB and SC. How are those teams relevant to the discussion?
    Ah yes, I should have been more clear. Most of the conversation has centered around who is the best character to go after now, but a key consideration should be the longevity of that character's use. If the OP is interested in Placement, then they should consider not only which of the two characters is better now, but which one will continue to get use as the rest of their roster gets filled out. So while Shang is likely to be part of a faster team than BRB, neither are meta fast and so both will eventually be replaced. That can be factored into the decision making.

    One caveat: I routinely place t10 in SCL10 and I use BRB on almost every CN grind. My Shang-Chi isn't champed yet but I doubt he's going to replace my BRB team or any other team I use, for that matter. I suppose I'll use him for fun in Sim once in a while, and, of course, when boosted.
  • ammenell
    ammenell Posts: 817 Critical Contributor
    edited November 2021
    unboosted Shang chi is a beast - give him the right partners and go winfinite on turn 3. most of the time...
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    Akoni said:

    7500 cp sounds unfathomable. I don't think I've ever saved more than 2000 cp at once. Good to know, though. Thanks.
    Well, 7500 cp is about 6 months of hoarding, probably less if you have a lot of 4*s champed and not waiting on iso like on my roster. 45,000 cp is 1800 pulls, which is what the meta gamers over on Reddit recommend for 550 characters. That can be accomplished in only 36 agonizing months, though also probably much less if you are hoarding LLs as well. That is why I will probably end up champing as characters are released and switching to classics when my 4* farm can handle the cp needs. I should get a few meta characters covered eventually using that method, but will likely never be at end game. 
  • Zalasta
    Zalasta Posts: 285 Mover and Shaker
    I agree that Shang Chi is a beast, and I plan to use him more going forward. I'm currently using him with SC (purple) to generate Red, and then Thor to collect the red each turn.  It's pretty easy after that. He's been great on some challenge nodes.

    My go to PvP team (Apoc/Thor) almost got wrecked by an unchampioned  SC when they got a decent cascade. I was lucky to pull it out. Don't underestimate him, even on defense.
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Keep track of your cps and LTs income every week or every month and you will be able to predict whether you have extra CPs for other non-LT pulls. On top of that, you will know how long it will take for you to hit 7500cps.

    My LTs and CPs income fluctuate between 1.3-1.9 and 34-43 respectively. If I'm looking at pure CP income, it will take me between 174 to 220 days to hit 7500cps. However, I have already champed all but 1 4* and most of my 4* are least level 300. So, the figures should be lower if you don't have a lot of 4* champed.

    Those T5 SCL10 players can accomplish that in 1.5 years or 18 months. 1800 pulls is after taking into champed rewards, which will give you approximately 20% cashback. Working backwards, it's about 2400 pulls for 550. For me, it will take me approximately 800 days or 27 months  to achieve 550 roster. I'll probably be bored to death before I hit 2400 pulls.

  • Akoni
    Akoni Posts: 790 Critical Contributor
    I still have several 4* waiting to be champed due to lack of iso. Could I have bought some during the iso sale? Of course, but I refuse to buy iso. As a resource, iso goes so fast when champing that I don't think it's worth spending on. For now, I'll stick with the slow method of grinding and waiting for turnovers on my farm in order to get enough iso to champ. The good thing is I always see a significant jump in cp and LLs when I champ a couple. With that said, I accumulate a decent amount of cp and LL tokens considering I'm only slightly competitive. 
  • Sekilicious
    Sekilicious Posts: 1,766 Chairperson of the Boards
    HoundofShadow said:
     I'll probably be bored to death before I hit 2400 pulls.

    Though you probably saw the original, the Reddit sub that pulled 2400 times took about 10 hours to do so. Luckily the three LLs anyone might be targeting would be in there for a couple of weeks so can be done a few at a time. The 50 pulls at a time for tokens would help a lot. I don't think it works for cp,
  • HoundofShadow
    HoundofShadow Posts: 8,004 Chairperson of the Boards
    Play Lightning Rounds and hit those seed teams. This is the fastest (f2p) way to earn more iso-8. Just bring Thanos and R4G or someone who can one hit the lowest health character.

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