Class of 2021 PvP

TheEyeDoctorsWife

Sekilicious said:

It is never more obvious what a crutch Polaris is than when they take her away from me. I wish SM2099 was released this year. 

Give me a PvP without Polaris and I’ll play all day every day . To me , I feel like if I used Polaris I’d be the same type of person who uses a GPS to drive anywhere further than 2 miles. 

HoundofShadow

Despite all the negative feedbacks Odin got, he can help you save healthpacks in this pvp. I don't know what state your odin is, but he does help.  If your Odin is 5/x/5 it will be awesome. Don't level him up too much. Find a range that allows him to trigger his passive frequently enough and yet, allow him some survivability.

entrailbucket

ThaRoadWarrior said:

It’s so crazy, every single fight is a 3 health pack recovery lol. 

This sounds like SW boost week.  The problem when she's on both teams 100% of the time is that she's the only one allowed to do any damage.  The fights just drag out forever because she blocks everything but her own, and her own damage is pretty low.

ThaRoadWarrior

HoundofShadow said:

Despite all the negative feedbacks Odin got, he can help you save healthpacks in this pvp. I don't know what state your odin is, but he does help.  If your Odin is 5/x/5 it will be awesome. Don't level him up too much. Find a range that allows him to trigger his passive frequently enough and yet, allow him some survivability.

My Current latest are:
Electro - 5/2/4 unleveled
Odin - 3/4/2 unleveled
Shang-Chi - 1/2/0 unleveled

and the still New Ultron is unrostered. I have all the other 5*s from this year champed though.

Akoni

Sekilicious said:

It is never more obvious what a crutch Polaris is than when they take her away from me. I wish SM2099 was released this year. 

I use Polaris a lot, but usually as a counter to Polaris. It's an easy way to rack up points. I have most of the characters so I'm having a blast. I don't miss Polaris except when I run into a team that spams.

HoundofShadow

Wanda/Colossus + heavy hitter will work. Fill the board with blue via Wanda. Remove her repeater with Colossus's blue and then down Wanda with your heavy hitter. Once Wanda is down, you won't be taking much damage. 

Looking at this year releases:

5*
Adam Warlock, Colossus, Cyclops, Electro, Knull, Magneto, Odin, Ronan, Scarlett Witch, Shang-Chi, Ultron, Yellowjacket

We have multiple:

1) match damage boost
2) heals
3) defensive abilities
4) anti-defense abilities that bypass protect tiles and power reduction
5) varying offensive mechanics like Shang Chi and Yellowjacket.

We have one stun, one trap and one invisibility though.

4*
Beast, Elsa, Kate, Lizard, Loki, Mantis, Monica, Morbius, Red Guardian, Scorpion, Silk, Hydra Stomper, Throg

We have mutiple of

1) anti-special tiles abilities
2) charged tiles abilities
3) stun abilities
4) passive special tiles spamming abilities

We also have two who have anti-airborne, anti-invisibility and ap steal abilities. Finally, we have only one web ability.

Looking at these two tiers, they use different ways of defending against meta of their time. In 5* tier, we hardly have stun ability. 

I hope to see one or two more 5* characters who can synergise around web tiles within the next one year. 5* character who can send enemy airborne will be fun as well. Do you want to see 2-3 more 5* who can stun for Class of 2022?

entrailbucket

We *desperately* need 5* stuns if they're going to keep cranking out powerful always-on passives. 

Stuns are the only consistent, quick way we can deal with stuff like SW or Beta Ray Bill passives, and they're sorely lacking at the 5* tier right now.

I get why they don't want to do them (it's no fun being stunlocked, or having your overpowered passive get turned off), but we really need some better tools to deal with the current crop of passives.

HoundofShadow

I would say the majority of the teams in pvp is filled with W&C + Mantis, followed by Knull. 

I prefer airborne mechanic because there's some sort of niche strategy around it compared to stun. For example, if you have multiple random attacks like BRB or Apocalypse does, sending one of the enemy airborne will allow you to concentrate your random attacks on the other one or two enemies. Besides, zero 5* has this ability. 

Bad

Odin is at the top. On the few people having him( you can't say I didn't warned about him in his thread lol).
I saw as a third wheel odin, knull, mantis and ronan.
Comfortably climbing and crushing down teams with my champed SC.

BlackBoltRocks

Bad said:

Comfortably climbing and crushing down teams with my champed SC.

My 2/1/2 Shang is totally wrecking with Wanda and Colossus to back him up. A champed one will be nuts.

Bad

BlackBoltRocks said:

My 2/1/2 Shang is totally wrecking with Wanda and Colossus to back him up. A champed one will be nuts.

It's a great team and all three have their role, as colossus can hit hard and also erase mystic feedback. 

turbomoose

This event is a huge waste of time, the big hitters will have a chance as they will have everyone champed I only have mags and knull champed and although knull is a good character he can’t beat a full powered switch and colossus amongst others

so I’ll leave this one I think 

revskip

ThaRoadWarrior said:

It’s so crazy, every single fight is a 3 health pack recovery lol. 

I had pretty much the exact opposite experience.  I ran Steel Witch most of the time but my third character I swapped out frequently.  Ran Shang-Chi loaner a bunch since he is fun and can beat anything if you have the time to pay attention, ran some Mantis, some Knull and some Alligator Loki for the lolz.  Didn't ever get to 0 health packs, hit 1200 without a single grill in 57 matches.  

DAZ0273

Well I guess it is Switch/Colossus on defence or nothing in this one if you wanna float! Got hammered for 183 points overnight, lol and every team was a champed above team. 

Bad

It is worth to mention that those were great pvps besides which characters were featured.
2 pvps were 3 characters were loaned and others locked.
I think these features  being together are new.
It is positive and I hope it can repeat again.

Birdy

Tony_Foot said:

Struggling to remember a worse event than this.

Class of 2020. Probably 

HoundofShadow

Evergreen? The pvp where it's a pick-1? 

ThaRoadWarrior

HoundofShadow said:

Wanda/Colossus + heavy hitter will work. Fill the board with blue via Wanda. Remove her repeater with Colossus's blue and then down Wanda with your heavy hitter. Once Wanda is down, you won't be taking much damage. 

Looking at this year releases:

5*
Adam Warlock, Colossus, Cyclops, Electro, Knull, Magneto, Odin, Ronan, Scarlett Witch, Shang-Chi, Ultron, Yellowjacket

We have multiple:

1) match damage boost
2) heals
3) defensive abilities
4) anti-defense abilities that bypass protect tiles and power reduction
5) varying offensive mechanics like Shang Chi and Yellowjacket.

We have one stun, one trap and one invisibility though.

4*
Beast, Elsa, Kate, Lizard, Loki, Mantis, Monica, Morbius, Red Guardian, Scorpion, Silk, Hydra Stomper, Throg

We have mutiple of

1) anti-special tiles abilities
2) charged tiles abilities
3) stun abilities
4) passive special tiles spamming abilities

We also have two who have anti-airborne, anti-invisibility and ap steal abilities. Finally, we have only one web ability.

Looking at these two tiers, they use different ways of defending against meta of their time. In 5* tier, we hardly have stun ability. 

I hope to see one or two more 5* characters who can synergise around web tiles within the next one year. 5* character who can send enemy airborne will be fun as well. Do you want to see 2-3 more 5* who can stun for Class of 2022?

It's been my experience so far that Warlock, who can heal on 2 colors, somehow still manages to die every time even with Wanda producing yellow every turn. I can't explain it, and it's probably me because I had the same experience with Bishop, but suffice it to say I find him unusable.

Ronan is just too slow and tanks too much to get enough momentum, even with Wanda reducing his damage intake, to stay alive long enough to accuse anyone effectively. I will say though that once you get the enemy down to one remaining and use his red, it has hit super hard assuming you have repeaters out and it hits them. I still like Ronan, he's just ill suited to overcome the Steelwitch(? that what we're calling it?) dominance in this (and most, if we're being honest) event.

I think I was running Magneto wrong; I was prioritizing getting him into the air, but I probably should have focused on firing yellow and red instead. I'll give it a shot.

I had some okay climbing luck yesterday with Wanda/Ronan/Mantis actually. Mantis is the best stunner option for this event as best I can tell, so you can give yourself a little more room to breath when it comes to building momentum for Ronan.

HoundofShadow

Whenever I see Knull, I bring Electro along.

Some other teams centering around Odin involves:

Ronan, Wanda, Mantis, Lizard.

Odin/Wanda/Ronan
Odin/Ronan/Lizard
Odin/Wanda/Mantis

What I did with Ronan is to choose blue and accumulate them. When his cd goes off, it gets a huge boost. Wanda's repeater gets boosted as well. 

With Mantis, I chose yellow so that she can also heal odin while triggering her passive stun by giving away strike tile via Odin.

As for Lizard he gives free matches sometimes and turn blue to red. His repeaters also self-fortify every turn.

Your Odin and Electro are not really well covered. I think next year, it will be much better. Mantis seems like a good candidate to choose to max champ her.

Next year, Knull, Ultron and Wanda will probably be the best team.

TheEyeDoctorsWife

I’m using Odin / Steel Witch but because I don’t want to play a 7-10 minute battle I’m skipping the 97% of teams using a Switch 20 levels above mine. While this is the most challenging it’s also by far the most repetitive and monotonous PVP.