Week 8 Boost 5* (Apocalypse, Iceman (again), Kingpin 5, Loki) thx DAZ

Phumade

This will be a good week.

  Apoc is a modern meta tier char.  Lots have him at natural 500,  so he’s gonna be front and center with enough health to tank the whole event.  Don’t forget to pair him with a mutant for stun immunity vs Bobby.  Your gonna need it.

Ice’s stun is near god tier and he was good 1b character even at debut.  He will essentially rainbow with apoc,  don’t forget about how his passive yellow works.  You need to chase that cd if it hits.

These are great chars that can partner with anyone, or literally float as a 300k meat mountain .


interesting to see what new game play gets unlocked.  Especially with how people unlock Fisk 5* and loki

ThaRoadWarrior

*you need to chase your own yellow CDs, but you want to protect enemy CDs when you're up against Iceman.

I have a few ideas about playing Fi5k, but my loki is 4/4/3 unleveled, so I probably won't mess with him. But it may be worth noting that his green destroys friendly specials, so in PVE you could theoretically use him to complete the BRB/Polaris winfinite in place of classic Danver5.

HoundofShadow

This run will be just like Panthos week, except it will be filled with Iceman/Apocalypse. I read that there's some bug related to Iceman's damage reduction. It's something related to not having enough teamup and yet he still reduces damage. This might be a good opportunity to catch the bug, if any.

Anyway, this pairing will be a terror to fight against because they contain damage reduction, stun and cheap power cost with high damage. Poor Kingpin is going to sit on the sideline and be a spectator insteas. Loki might see some play with his purple power and his ability to resurrect.

ThaRoadWarrior

Yeah that's true - if there are no viable yellows, Iceman will reduce the damage without dropping the CD. I think the Team Up burndown bug might be specific to Professor X though.

entrailbucket

Yeah...this is just going to be Apocalypse/Iceman.  I don't anticipate seeing Loki or Kingpin much, if at all.

So far we haven't talked about the boosts changing PvE, but Apocalypse gets used quite a bit at the top end of cl10 PvE, so I wonder if there will be an impact there.

Theghouse

ThaRoadWarrior said:

Yeah that's true - if there are no viable yellows, Iceman will reduce the damage without dropping the CD. I think the Team Up burndown bug might be specific to Professor X though.

I'm fairly certain the bug has been fixed where an opponent Bobby would reduce damage from all hits without reducing TU AP and dropping a CD.

I was concerned about it when seeing Bobby for god boost round 2, and queued up a Bobby Kitty Prof$ in SIM, and Bobby's passive worked as it was supposed to.

shardwick

ThaRoadWarrior said:

*you need to chase your own yellow CDs, but you want to protect enemy CDs when you're up against Iceman.

I have a few ideas about playing Fi5k, but my loki is 4/4/3 unleveled, so I probably won't mess with him. But it may be worth noting that his green destroys friendly specials, so in PVE you could theoretically use him to complete the BRB/Polaris winfinite in place of classic Danver5.

Unfortunately, even when boosted Loki is for the most part trash, although his purple is still solid. It's sad because going into Unstable Iso I thought he would hold his own and on the first two subs for the 5* node he got lit up. I barely escaped each node without needing to heal him. Boosted Apoc though....yummy.

DjinnBabba

Looks like I,Spy event won’t get weekly boosts even though the D3 announcement said the PvP weekly boosts will start on the 8th. 

BriMan2222

DjinnBabba said:

Looks like I,Spy event won’t get weekly boosts even though the D3 announcement said the PvP weekly boosts will start on the 8th. 

Special pvp events have their own boost list rules not the weekly boosts

ThaRoadWarrior

I Spy doesn't seem to be part of the PVP season either, it's missing the little corner icon to that effect as if it were off-season.

Srheer0

HoundofShadow said:

This run will be just like Panthos week, except it will be filled with Iceman/Apocalypse. I read that there's some bug related to Iceman's damage reduction. It's something related to not having enough teamup and yet he still reduces damage. This might be a good opportunity to catch the bug, if any.

Anyway, this pairing will be a terror to fight against because they contain damage reduction, stun and cheap power cost with high damage. Poor Kingpin is going to sit on the sideline and be a spectator insteas. Loki might see some play with his purple power and his ability to resurrect.

I posted about the Ic5man bug months ago. Check it out in the bug forum.

It seems to happen when a multi hit Is aimed at Icemans team and maybe it is being affected by a seperate damage reduction, not making a yellow countdown tile, not taking Ic5mans TUP, but just making the damage dissapear.

The example I gave was using APOCs red vs a profX (5) and ic5man.

Black dealt normal damage iirc.
Red dealt vastly reduced damage. Way beyond what Profx passive reduces it by.


https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/84707/bug-when-attacking-ic5man-and-pr5fx-teams#latest

link to thread if anyone is interested

DAZ0273

ThaRoadWarrior said:

I Spy doesn't seem to be part of the PVP season either, it's missing the little corner icon to that effect as if it were off-season.

All of this is a bit frustrating when we have the first week of a current meta 5 and we don't get to use them boosted for a whole event.

GrimSkald

shardwick said:

ThaRoadWarrior said:

*you need to chase your own yellow CDs, but you want to protect enemy CDs when you're up against Iceman.

I have a few ideas about playing Fi5k, but my loki is 4/4/3 unleveled, so I probably won't mess with him. But it may be worth noting that his green destroys friendly specials, so in PVE you could theoretically use him to complete the BRB/Polaris winfinite in place of classic Danver5.

Unfortunately, even when boosted Loki is for the most part trash, although his purple is still solid. It's sad because going into Unstable Iso I thought he would hold his own and on the first two subs for the 5* node he got lit up. I barely escaped each node without needing to heal him. Boosted Apoc though....yummy.

Seriously.  Loki and KP wouldn't have seen play even if the other two 5*s were also trash - meta 5* with synergy are just plain better than boosted trash 5*.

The thing that annoys me about Loki is he's so close to being good with his purple.  Right now, it has too many moving parts - you need to fire purple, match black (or else virtually all the CDs go away) then fire the 4 point purple.  It just plain sucks at 11 AP (more or less.)  But if he interacted with those countdowns in some other way, he could be good, even meta, and the possibilities are many:

• The CDs could do something (e.g. steal AP) when they expired
• Loki could get something (healing, AP, special tile) when they're matched or destroyed
• Loki could get something extra when they're on the board

It's annoying because if they just went a bit outside the box Loki could be a good character worth playing, but as it is he's Trash.  And don't get me started on his Green - a 3 turn repeater may as well be "spend 11AP to do nothing."

ThaRoadWarrior

There are SO many 5* releases from that era whose relevance would be way higher if their repeaters were shorter, or we had a character who could passively shorten them the way Flaptain and Coulson do for CDs. I’m sure when that character eventually comes it’ll be a 7ap active power that immediately resolves one repeater though lol. But goth Loki and Fi5K have greens that could be decent if their repeater timer was 1 turn so they went off every round.

I wish Danver5 had some way to do it. Like maybe anytime she is airborne repeater timers decriment to 1 or something.

entrailbucket

ThaRoadWarrior said:

There are SO many 5* releases from that era whose relevance would be way higher if their repeaters were shorter, or we had a character who could passively shorten them the way Flaptain and Coulson do for CDs. I’m sure when that character eventually comes it’ll be a 7ap active power that immediately resolves one repeater though lol.

I wish Danver5 had some way to do it. Like maybe anytime she is airborne repeater timers decriment to 1 or something.

There's a reason for this that I can never remember...I think it's because Gambit didn't overwrite repeaters with his purple?  It feels like something Gambit-related...maybe they were released after his nerf though?

Usually when something like this doesn't make sense, if you look back at the meta from that time, you can vaguely make out what they were trying to accomplish.  Like Archangel's black power and IW Cap's purple were meant to counter Gambit's passive AP gain.

GrimSkald

ThaRoadWarrior said:

There are SO many 5* releases from that era whose relevance would be way higher if their repeaters were shorter, or we had a character who could passively shorten them the way Flaptain and Coulson do for CDs. I’m sure when that character eventually comes it’ll be a 7ap active power that immediately resolves one repeater though lol. But goth Loki and Fi5K have greens that could be decent if their repeater timer was 1 turn so they went off every round.

I wish Danver5 had some way to do it. Like maybe anytime she is airborne repeater timers decriment to 1 or something.

Danver5 is another missed opportunity IMHO.  She totally should interact with repeaters like, say, Hawkeye or Goblin interact with CDs - have passives based around them being resolved or destroyed, and maybe reducing the timers.  In that case I think they're probably afraid of seriously breaking something, but in general a repeater of over 1 round is fairly useless, even compared to a CD.  It's not likely to resolve more than once.

skittledaddy

ThaRoadWarrior said:

I Spy doesn't seem to be part of the PVP season either, it's missing the little corner icon to that effect as if it were off-season.

Mine has the Soul Season banner on it.

skittledaddy

DAZ0273 said:

ThaRoadWarrior said:

I Spy doesn't seem to be part of the PVP season either, it's missing the little corner icon to that effect as if it were off-season.

All of this is a bit frustrating when we have the first week of a current meta 5 and we don't get to use them boosted for a whole event.

Those of us without a big Apoc don't mind one bit. 

ThaRoadWarrior

skittledaddy said:

ThaRoadWarrior said:

I Spy doesn't seem to be part of the PVP season either, it's missing the little corner icon to that effect as if it were off-season.

Mine has the Soul Season banner on it.

Mine does too now that it’s live, but when it was about to start it didn’t.

entrailbucket

I noticed a lot less players in the Black Widow event.  I also noticed that events without boosted 5* are awful, slow, boring slogs where everyone uses the same team and every fight takes forever.  How did I ever play this game so much?

Hopefully they're using these "normal" events to gather data, and they'll be updated at some point.

HoundofShadow

I find that I, Spy pvp is better. It's like catching a breath after fighting against armies after armies of 56X to 6XX characters in pvps.