Week 6 5* boost (Archangel, Gladiator Thor, 5* GhostRider, Samurai Daken)

Phumade

Wow so clearly not in release order.   This will be interesting.  With Thor’s red, green, yellow boosted, it will seriously change how people play thorokye.  

I’ve been paying more attention in pve now, and here are some real benefits to 5* boost week.

1.  This is definitely not playing like a rewind of the initial meta.  All of the classics have weakness that can be exploited by later gen 5*.  In addition the enormous boost fundamentally changes the expected tanking order,  which really affected how the old combos played.

2.  Overall they have been lucky to have required character events to play into the 5* boosts.  Hopefully that means a competent designer is curating events and boost weeks

Overall,  the experience has played different enough that it feels relatively fresh and engaging.   The latest 5* also have enough relevance to force players to still Rock Paper Scissors.

Going with a curated 5* boost is great as long as a competent designer know how to open up multiple attack avenues (turbo specials, fast stunlocker, match damage true healing tanks) etc….   

abenness

Archangel, Ghost Rider, Thor, Daken according to Mystique pvp.  Not Ghostpool

Phumade

abenness said:

Archangel, Ghost Rider, Thor, Daken according to Mystique pvp.  Not Ghostpool

Right, the art looks so similar, I barely recognize the difference.  I even play him every day in daily Deadpool but he never gets a move cause of thanos

Phumade

BlackBoltRocks said:

Phumade said:

Wow so clearly not in release order.  

Yes it is.

Thor, Archangel, Ghost Rider were released consecutively in that order, right after Gambit. Jessica Jones followed Ghost Rider, but she's been replaced by OMD because of pride month, just like how Iceman got into a previous rotation, replacing and postponing Thanos.

Yeah the old man daikon threw me for a loop.   Too bad they aren’t curating the list.   They can definitely craft a boost week that really highlights a play style.  I remember thinking the iceman week looked odd, but I thought it was some X-men related thing

im glad there is a modern 5* in the mix.  He great against special generators.  It’s a red green heavy week,  but archangels blue black plus stun represents a good mix of colors.  AA/ any red/green 5* is gonna be a strong combo for 4 match hops.  And lm sure there are gonna be a lot of ways to match in a blue/purple 5* to go with a red/green tank.

overall your gonna see boosted 5*/big 5* through 1000,  then people will play their fastest 5* combo to shield and then double boosted 5* on hops.  I haven’t seen the boosted health yet,  but it’s a real challenge to crack boosted 600+ in less than 4m even with meta  5*.

HoundofShadow

JJ got replaced. I was expecting Thor/JJ to be a common team.

Samurai Daken's bugged red power has been fixed. So, he's no longer destroying enemy SAP tiles, which means he safe against BRB. He's also anti true-heal, so he can tank somewhat against iHulkoye.

All other boosted 5* benefit from Thor greatly. Maybe we'll see more Thorpocalypse?

entrailbucket

The problem with Thor + a non boosted 5* this week is that he won't be able to hide.  Since Thor is pretty much awful unless he's less than 50% health, using him with Okoye or Apocalypse will mean a lot of babysitting his health.

I always thought it was funny that the mighty Norse god of thunder was designed such that he's only good when he's hiding behind someone!

HoundofShadow

I haven't joined this batch of boosted 5* pvp yet. 550 Thor has the following stats:

115,909 hp

Match damage
Y: 1184
R: 1354
Blue: 177
P: 163
Green: 1523
Black: 192
TU: 765

Get someone with Blue/Black/Purple as his teammate. Even having 2 out of 3 colours are good because the board will be filled with such colour anyway.
Colossus can help to reduce the match damage taken by 83%. Both he and Adam Warlock, even at 450, will tank 4 colours, plus teamup tiles. Of course, it depends on the level of your Thor and those two characters. It's not as bad as what you think.

ThaRoadWarrior

This is my first week with 3:4 boosted champs, so I’m having fun running GR/Thor for awhile.

TheRiddler

BlackBoltRocks said:

Yea I would like to see more recent 5* boosted as well, or some other method instead of going by chronological order. One option could be their classifications. So it would be something like Jessica, BSSM, Iceman, Yelena.

The good thing about Ghost Rider and Thor being boosted together is that, if Ghost Rider is within 3 levels of Thor, Ghosty tanks Red and Green over Thor. My lv458 Ghosty has 768 Green and 683 Red. lv461 Thor has 767 Green and 682 Red. They have equal values for Purple and Blue as well (unless there are hidden decimals).

I think it also could lead to uneven boosted weeks. For example at one point we had Iceman, Prof X, Carnage and BRB all released in that order. Can you imagine those all being boosted at the same time? Or even more recently with Colossus, Wanda and Knull.

And another thing here is that by giving a mix of old and new you are likely allowing for a greater amount of players to have a boosted 5.

HoundofShadow

I agree and majority of the players won't be able to have all 4 boosted 5* champed, regardless of how they choose the 4 boosted 5*. You are either delaying or bringing forward the 5* boost. In the end, you still need to wait for them to be rotated back, if they are planning to do this long term.

MPQ, like many other f2p games, are not your typical pc games where everyone will go through the same experiences. When you play, how much you play, how competitively you play, how much you spend on the game, what alliances you are in, what goals you set for yourself are some of the factors that affect your roster progress.

So, even if the dev assigned a number to each 5* and have the algorithm pick 4 5* randomly, the effect is still the same. 

Next week is the final celebration of Pride month. JJ, Okoye, Wasp + LGBT should be the next set.

I hope after they are done with the final set in October, they remove this weekly 5* boost and determine whether it makes sense to rebalance 5*.

entrailbucket

TheRiddler said:

BlackBoltRocks said:

Yea I would like to see more recent 5* boosted as well, or some other method instead of going by chronological order. One option could be their classifications. So it would be something like Jessica, BSSM, Iceman, Yelena.

The good thing about Ghost Rider and Thor being boosted together is that, if Ghost Rider is within 3 levels of Thor, Ghosty tanks Red and Green over Thor. My lv458 Ghosty has 768 Green and 683 Red. lv461 Thor has 767 Green and 682 Red. They have equal values for Purple and Blue as well (unless there are hidden decimals).

I think it also could lead to uneven boosted weeks. For example at one point we had Iceman, Prof X, Carnage and BRB all released in that order. Can you imagine those all being boosted at the same time? Or even more recently with Colossus, Wanda and Knull.

And another thing here is that by giving a mix of old and new you are likely allowing for a greater amount of players to have a boosted 5.

I'd selfishly like 2 old/2 new because if there's always 2 older guys boosted I'll always have 2 guys at a crazy level.  When they get to newer sets of 4 I'll be in the same shape as everyone else, which is no fun at all!

Cannibalqueen

entrailbucket said:

I always thought it was funny that the mighty Norse god of thunder was designed such that he's only good when he's hiding behind someone!

It is funny yeah.  Especially when you pair him with a couple of three stars to repeatedly fail battles in order to get primed.  

It feels funny.

but I like the mechanic thematically because I think it reflects a feeling of D&D barbarian class.  Like the guy needs to be raging to fully unleash and nothing but the taste of his own blood will get him there.  I know D&D doesn’t actually work like that, but I wish it did a little more.

Edit: also just regarding larger conversation... I totally see this as a test run.
I think they will mix it up in future or maybe even take it off the table for weeks or months at a time.  I would be surprised if the rotation just loops back over to OML again directly.

I am really glad they broached this area tho.  I don’t even have most fives covered but it’s made my play a lot more fun and varied.

DAZ0273

I tried out my 5/2/2 Ghost Rider boosted to somewhere in the 440's and things didn't go too well even with the boost. He was up against a pair of 450's (JJ and someone else, can't remember) and I thought he might be able to take at least one of them but he was cut down - I wasn't too bothered about winning the fight more to see what he was like at near champ levels and whether to put iso in him. So I don't really have any partners to play with God Boost Thor apart from a non tanking Apoc even though GR seemed like he might add to all the board destruction chaos - If JJ had stayed in this week that would have been a tidy duo but obviously not to be. My SamDak is not even worth looking at sadly...

Hopefully there will be some boosted 5's who are also incomplete like my GR is and he can have a whirl against them. Archangel - I am looking at you!

DAZ0273

HoundofShadow said:

I agree and majority of the players won't be able to have all 4 boosted 5* champed, regardless of how they choose the 4 boosted 5*. You are either delaying or bringing forward the 5* boost. In the end, you still need to wait for them to be rotated back, if they are planning to do this long term.

MPQ, like many other f2p games, are not your typical pc games where everyone will go through the same experiences. When you play, how much you play, how competitively you play, how much you spend on the game, what alliances you are in, what goals you set for yourself are some of the factors that affect your roster progress.

So, even if the dev assigned a number to each 5* and have the algorithm pick 4 5* randomly, the effect is still the same. 

Next week is the final celebration of Pride month. JJ, Okoye, Wasp + LGBT should be the next set.

I hope after they are done with the final set in October, they remove this weekly 5* boost and determine whether it makes sense to rebalance 5*.

Pride month ends Wednesday so there will not be another LGBTQ+ boosted 5* as they would rotate Thursday. So next week should be:

JJ, Beardcap Okoye, Wasp

Srheer0

DAZ0273 said:

I tried out my 5/2/2 Ghost Rider boosted to somewhere in the 440's and things didn't go too well even with the boost. He was up against a pair of 450's (JJ and someone else, can't remember) and I thought he might be able to take at least one of them but he was cut down - I wasn't too bothered about winning the fight more to see what he was like at near champ levels and whether to put iso in him. So I don't really have any partners to play with God Boost Thor apart from a non tanking Apoc even though GR seemed like he might add to all the board destruction chaos - If JJ had stayed in this week that would have been a tidy duo but obviously not to be. My SamDak is not even worth looking at sadly...

Hopefully there will be some boosted 5's who are also incomplete like my GR is and he can have a whirl against them. Archangel - I am looking at you!

Ghostrider was the first 5star cover I ever pulled. I thought he was amazing, but compared to Th5r, he was not good. Made pvp much more annoying (I was still in 3star land at the time).  

If Ghostrider is paired with a battery or a support character, I think he would shine more. And if he had more levels and more covers in the rest of him, then he might have been much stronger during the boost.  

I would rather see D3 rebalance all the non meta 5s. Maybe push the updates in batches of 3 at a time because it obviously takes time and resources. But weekly boosts is what we are given. Easier to do for them and still gives some fun to older and deeper rosters and longtime players.  

I am excited to see how Wanda pairs with a boosted Th5r. Put Thor in position 2 and her in position 3 so Thor could get the number of green tiles below Wanda's threshold to make them once it is targeted with her pink. And having a 60% boost just for having the minimum number of greens needed to fire it is huge for an aoe power (I think it's 12 ap to fire it?)

HoundofShadow

Good catch. JJ/Okoye would be your next pairing. Or even iHulkoye. 

I think you can pair Thor with either one of the latest set of 5* if you pulled for them.

DAZ0273

Srheer0 said:

DAZ0273 said:

I tried out my 5/2/2 Ghost Rider boosted to somewhere in the 440's and things didn't go too well even with the boost. He was up against a pair of 450's (JJ and someone else, can't remember) and I thought he might be able to take at least one of them but he was cut down - I wasn't too bothered about winning the fight more to see what he was like at near champ levels and whether to put iso in him. So I don't really have any partners to play with God Boost Thor apart from a non tanking Apoc even though GR seemed like he might add to all the board destruction chaos - If JJ had stayed in this week that would have been a tidy duo but obviously not to be. My SamDak is not even worth looking at sadly...

Hopefully there will be some boosted 5's who are also incomplete like my GR is and he can have a whirl against them. Archangel - I am looking at you!

Ghostrider was the first 5star cover I ever pulled. I thought he was amazing, but compared to Th5r, he was not good. Made pvp much more annoying (I was still in 3star land at the time).  

If Ghostrider is paired with a battery or a support character, I think he would shine more. And if he had more levels and more covers in the rest of him, then he might have been much stronger during the boost.  

I would rather see D3 rebalance all the non meta 5s. Maybe push the updates in batches of 3 at a time because it obviously takes time and resources. But weekly boosts is what we are given. Easier to do for them and still gives some fun to older and deeper rosters and longtime players.  

I am excited to see how Wanda pairs with a boosted Th5r. Put Thor in position 2 and her in position 3 so Thor could get the number of green tiles below Wanda's threshold to make them once it is targeted with her pink. And having a 60% boost just for having the minimum number of greens needed to fire it is huge for an aoe power (I think it's 12 ap to fire it?)

I have Wanda at 12 covers and very nearly finished but not highly levelled (about 320). I put some more iso into her this morning so I might try her as a partner for Thor but I am also waiting on iso to champ Adam Warlock so a bit stretched thin right now. I have been wanting to bring her into things more but only really got lucky with an extra 3 covers this past week.

DAZ0273

HoundofShadow said:

Good catch. JJ/Okoye would be your next pairing. Or even iHulkoye. 

I think you can pair Thor with either one of the latest set of 5* if you pulled for them.

JJ is my highest level 5* and Okoye will boost to 500+ so this looks like the way I will be going.

We don't have events up for off season yet so we could be thrown some curveballs still this week - I am sure some events lock out characters.

Bad

Perhaps they did cronologic rotation for to not make feel bad the first 5*s. The first week was funny, but from now on we better hold tight because there are curves incoming.
Boosting 5*s would be a perfectly fine way to play if all 5* were the same. However that its not the same, first 5*s are totally outclassed. 
It would be needed at least to increase their health at 450 level to 60k, and fixing powers of more than 12 to 9 or 10AP. That wont be a rebalance, it would be just to make them fit into the current standard.
After that once the huge breach on 5*s being more or less fixed, the most fair rotation wich all players could be happy and given the same treatment should be 2 5*s from the beginning and 2 5*s from the third year in advance, having this game running for 7 years.

HoundofShadow

If they are making boosting multiple 5* weekly a permanent feature, I rather they don't touch their health point or ap costs.
It's taking approximately 2 to 2.5x the amount of time to take them down, compared to iHulkoye's era, if you don't have the boosted 5*.

I think it has to be an either/or situation. Either they rebalance bottom tier 5* or make boosting a permanent feature and reduce the number to 2, instead of 4.

Currently, a 450 is boosted to 569. If you want to know how things look like for future 450 character that will be boosted to 569, simply multiply everything by 2.5. You will get a close approximate value.

ThaRoadWarrior

Jj likes cascade generators, she plays well with Onslaught or Professor X. Her traps generate strongest color AP as well. Her black is going to hit like a truck on her boost week, just like ghost rider and goblin before her.