Is the Classic Legends store worth it? Will it ever be?

Akoni

Many have already suggested that the Classic Legends store be re-vamped. I have not been playing MPQ from the beginning, but I look at the CL store and see A LOT there. I can only imagine what players starting the game later will think. 
Though the cost is less than the Latest Legends store, it's not by much. Early on, I pulled from the CL store, but that was many, many releases ago. Considering the likelyhood of getting anything you need or can use from the CL store now, is the cost worth it to you?

Daredevil217

Worth it to me? Nope. Worth it to someone transitioning to the 4* tier, who will get more shards per CP and possibly stumble on some of the classic 5*s needed for 5* essentials while bolstering their 4* roster? 

Absolutely. Just because the value of the store has long since passed me by, it doesn’t mean the store lacks value to others. 

Sithforever

I hit the store once in awhile. If you are chasing a 5 there are way too many to get that specific one semi consistently if at all. I don't hoard CP really either though. I'll build up for a 5 Special Store and then do 20 pulls or 40 depending on restraint on saving. Shard target is helpful in the Classic store like has been mentioned, and I hit the store for 5 pulls last night and got 3 5s. Now they weren't great or anything but it was cool getting 3(Hela, Gambit, and Iron Man Mark XLVl). Special stores or Fan Favorites are better for Okoye or Apocalypse or whatever 5 being chased. Personally I would like to see a store where 3 classics are featured at a 1 in 7 chance at 20CP per pull.

zonatahunt

I feel the classics store should be 25 cp, but you get to choose the three 5*s.  The catch would be that you couldn’t select a character that’s above a certain level, say 460 or 465.  That way people have a chance at champing classic fives, but can’t keep leveling them past a certain point.  This to me would be a win-win for both sides.

Mayo

The solution is simple. Classics stores divided by 2 year releases.  This will give all players old and new another option to better manage the way they build their roster and give the developers better sense of the least demanded characters and perhaps put them on the rebalance list with priority. 

helix72

For me classics have their use. I'll break it into phases:

Phase 1: You're missing the meta 5*s. Here I'd recommend you NOT pull any classics and instead save your CP for a special store featuring fan favorites or one of the metas, or a great selection of latests.

Phase 2: You're in 5* land and have most (if not all) of the metas, but the rest of your population needs work. Here, I think Classics have the most value, as they will help add covers to your classics and give you more shards and more 4* champ rewards per CP (25% more) which will also (via feeders) give you more 5* covers. But I would not pull only classics, I would split your CP between hoarding and pulling classics. I'm personally in this phase.

Phase 3: Almost every 5* at 13 covers. Here, Classics lose value because the number of 5*s you want covers for will be limited to the new toons or the metas you want to add levels to, and thus hoarding for special stores and latests will be more important.

HoundofShadow

At this moment, If I were you, I won't do it. The reasons are:

1) I'm not interested in champing every single 5*, but only 5* that is interesting to me. Therefore, I need just only one cover of 5* that don't fit my criteria. This brings me to feeders. Majority of 5* have feeders now, so I don't see a need to get lucky with Classic tokens. 

2) Every new 5* release come with their own cp stores, paired with two Classic 5*. if you want to speed up your rostering of these particular 5*, you can spend your cp here instead.

3) if you are trying to champ meta 5* that is in Classic, there are special cp stores running twice or thrice a year featuring some of them. Typically, mid year, MPQ Anniversary and probably International Women's Day because 2/5 meta 5* are female.

Ultimately, it depends on your goals. 

Do you want to champ all 5*?
Are you in an alliance with high requirements?
Do you play competitively or casually? 
Are you in a rush to roster all Classic 5* characters?
How many Classics do you have not rostered?
Are you patient or impatient?

All these factors affect your choice. For me, I won't do it now, purely because point 1. 

Michael1957

The Classic 5 store is useful for your first 12- 24 months of play . I myself used it for 3 years but I play with different goals . Once you get a great meta team the older 5* become irrelevant 

Borstock

If you're a 4* player and don't care which 4's you get, sure.

If you're a 5* player, nope.

thedarkphoenix

No not at all.

If you are a 4 player just horde until a meta and good 5 drop and pop open your tokens then.

For a 5 it's almost completely worthless outside of just wanting to burn some CP "for fun" Even the shards you'd get is so marginally small it's not worth it.


If they'd randomly buff older 5's then all of a sudden it would be.... but currently. Just get the latest greatest and a 4 player and slowly champ meta hero's in special vaults and things.

ThaRoadWarrior

I like the Classic Legends store for people trying to get 1 of every character on roster, then I recommend committing to Latest only after you've got access to all the nodes you're going to come across. Though I am curious if the move to shards, and the implementation of bonus shards hasn't subtly or significantly increased the value of pulling from there in bulk for targeting characters on purpose. I committed to Latest back when Bonus Heroes were still a thing.

Theghouse

thedarkphoenix said:

If they'd randomly buff older 5's then all of a sudden it would be....

Even if they buffed a couple classics to become the new OP meta and you had to chase them, each of the 48 current 5* characters in the classics pool has individual odds to draw of 1/320.  And with every new release, the classic pool gets bigger and that number gets worse.

At the current odds, even if you got lucky and pulled your desired character every 250 pulls instead of the statistical average of 320 pulls, and you target them for shards, it would take around 1300 pulls / 26000 CP (5-6 covers from tokens, 7.8 covers from shards) to fully cover them from 0.  And again those numbers get worse with every new character.  So, no matter how good a classic 5* characters is, the classic token will never be the best way to get them. 

Opening classics are great for getting a bunch of 4* covers, collecting some random covers of classic 5*, and getting a steady amount of 4* shards and some 5* shards.

For a classic 5* you are targeting, absolutely wait for a special store, where you can fully cover them from 0 for around 7500 CP.

For classic 5* not worth targeting, forget them. You may randomly pick up a few covers over the years but you will never get them champed.

cooperbigdaddy

Wait, so I'm a 4* trying to slowly transition into 5* land. Based on the current meta, here are my tops:
Apoc 0/1/0
BRB 1/3/1 (with 511 shards)
Kitty 0/2/0
Okoye 1/1/0
iHulk 0/0/3
Thor 2/3/5

I currently have 26 LL and 1070 CP. My plan was to wait for Throg to appear in tokens and pull like crazy (I have a ton of Elite/Heroic/Mighty/PVP to open).

*BUT the consensus is I should pull my LL (So I can try to get at least 1 cover of Mags/Warlock/Yellowjacket for essentials) and then wait on special stores? Instead of pulling 53+ Classic Legends going for those shards (approximately 160 5* shards and 750 4* shards vs waiting for a store and getting approximately 120 5* shards and 600 4* shards)? Please let me know if this is what I should do instead of wasting my CP.

(I currently have Okoye sharded to get her red cover, then I'm switching back to BRB to get him at 13 covers)

Theghouse

cooperbigdaddy said:

Wait, so I'm a 4* trying to slowly transition into 5* land. Based on the current meta, here are my tops:
Apoc 0/1/0
BRB 1/3/1 (with 511 shards)
Kitty 0/2/0
Okoye 1/1/0
iHulk 0/0/3
Thor 2/3/5

I currently have 26 LL and 1070 CP. My plan was to wait for Throg to appear in tokens and pull like crazy (I have a ton of Elite/Heroic/Mighty/PVP to open).

*BUT the consensus is I should pull my LL (So I can try to get at least 1 cover of Mags/Warlock/Yellowjacket for essentials) and then wait on special stores? Instead of pulling 53+ Classic Legends going for those shards (approximately 160 5* shards and 750 4* shards vs waiting for a store and getting approximately 120 5* shards and 600 4* shards)? Please let me know if this is what I should do instead of wasting my CP.

(I currently have Okoye sharded to get her red cover, then I'm switching back to BRB to get him at 13 covers)

Statistically speaking, if you use 1060 to pull 53 classics right now before YJ pushes DP5 into classics, you should pull 7 or 8 5* characters, and 1 cover would be for one of the 6 characters you listed.

If you waited until one of those characters was featured in a special store and use 1050 CP to make 42 pulls, you would pull 6 5* but 2 of them would be for the one of the listed characters.

But if two of your characters were featured in the store, you would get 4 covers for your desired characters.  And if it was a fan favorites or similar type of store and all 3 were desired characters, all 6 of your 5* cover pulls would be for your desired characters.

Of course these are just the calculated odds, in real life things could be much better or much worse.

The 5* shard difference between 42 special store or latest pulls and 53 classics pulls is 33 shards, or less than 7% of a cover's worth.

So really, what is your goal for pulling classics? If it's to get 4* shards for throg, classics will get you there faster, along with collecting more random 4* covers and random 5*.  If your goal is to make progress on your desired 5* characters, read my math post above.   The math tells us that Classics are never worth it trying to make progress on specific 5*.  Wait for them to be featured in a special store.

LavaManLee

There is no reason to ever pull Classics unless you have so many CPs you have no idea what to do with them.  If you enjoy pulling, then sure, go for it.  Othewise, I am amazed it even exists.  The odds of getting anything you want are so miniscule that it is really amazing anyone ever goes for it.  If the 5* isn't in LL that you want, it is better to shard and wait for a special store with it than it is to hope you get it from the Classics.

KGB

LavaManLee said:

 Othewise, I am amazed it even exists.  The odds of getting anything you want are so miniscule that it is really amazing anyone ever goes for it.

The only reason it exists is for new 4* players to acquire a lot more 4* covers + shards. You do get 20% more covers / shards for your CP so when you are in early to mid 4* land this is a way for new players to acquire lots of 4* covers / shards.

It also has the added bonus for those players of getting a single 5* cover for an old classic 5* for PvE nodes. Otherwise they have to spend 250 CP to get 1 cover which is worse spending of your CP (waiting for a special store isn't even viable anymore given there are 50+ 5*s and with 2 per release store that means it takes an average of 1+ years just to see a specific 5* in a release store)

KGB

Jacklag

Daredevil217 said:

Worth it to me? Nope. Worth it to someone transitioning to the 4* tier, who will get more shards per CP and possibly stumble on some of the classic 5*s needed for 5* essentials while bolstering their 4* roster? 

Absolutely. Just because the value of the store has long since passed me by, it doesn’t mean the store lacks value to others. 

I transitioned from 3* to 4* tiers without pulling on the CL store once. Heck, I transitioned from 4* to 5* without dropping any CP on classics. Instead I saved all my CP and spent it all on Beta Ray Bill special store featuring Thor and Hela and came out very happy. I could only be happier if I had saved that CP to spend on the Anniversary store that featured Apocalypse, Okoye and Kitty. Or now, to get Yellowjacket, Storm and Thor, which is a great store as well.

TL/DR: (How lazy are you?) Good things come to those who wait.

Jacklag

cooperbigdaddy said:

*BUT the consensus is I should pull my LL (So I can try to get at least 1 cover of Mags/Warlock/Yellowjacket for essentials) and then wait on special stores? Instead of pulling 53+ Classic Legends going for those shards (approximately 160 5* shards and 750 4* shards vs waiting for a store and getting approximately 120 5* shards and 600 4* shards)? Please let me know if this is what I should do instead of wasting my CP.

(I currently have Okoye sharded to get her red cover, then I'm switching back to BRB to get him at 13 covers)

Actually, skip magneto. Wait to see what the next 5* will be. I dare them to release a worst character than 5* Magneto. 

But if you can wait even longer, a 5* special store should come up on International Women's Day which is bound to feature a trio of classic 5*. It you are really, really patient, then the game's Anniversary is in October and that's when the best Special Store becomes available. 

cooperbigdaddy

Yeah, with all this great advice, if the International Women's Day store has Kitty, Okoye, and a third female 5*, I think I'll go ahead and pull on that. Otherwise, maybe wait till October and then pull a million CP, haha.

BlackBoltRocks

Jacklag said:

I dare them to release a worst character than 5* Magneto. 

They already did. Her name starts with "W" and ends with "asp".

KGB

Jacklag said:

I transitioned from 3* to 4* tiers without pulling on the CL store once. Heck, I transitioned from 4* to 5* without dropping any CP on classics. Instead I saved all my CP and spent it all on Beta Ray Bill special store featuring Thor and Hela and came out very happy.

When did you make this transition and can I ask how you acquired at least 1 cover of all the 5* for PvE?

KGB