Borstock said: You can't say the Bishop nerf will save spending on healthpacks when Hulkoye, Gritty, and teams with Polaris are doing huge dmg turn 1 and now you can't even put them on pause. Remember when the first few turns were more about collecting AP than just trying to survive beyond turn 3? I hate the new metas. You can basically call the outcome of every match just by looking at the opening board. At least Bishop wasn't really doing huge dmg on his own. IMO, PvP is now worse than ever.
Tiggida said: All they had to do was make bishop and cap not jump in front. That’s it problem solved.
Mr_F said: Tiggida said: All they had to do was make bishop and cap not jump in front. That’s it problem solved. Nope. The biggest problem of both was massive AP gain. That is why they had to reduce Worthy's CD spam so 6* Hawnkeye would not trigger so often. Bishop was a more complex case, as his AP gain was triggered by the damage and therefore jumping.The other, probably even equally big, problem was why they were jumping. And that was due to dmg taken. So they had to change it too so Worthy and Bishop would not be triggered so easy in 5* land.
HoundofShadow said: One important thing to note is that when the dev design characters, they pick three traits that they think best represent those characters and try to "fit" those traits into MPQ world. If you have seen and read those blogs written a few years back and those written this year, you should be aware of that. Removing their abilities to jump in front solve problem, but it can't represent the chosen traits of thess characters. I understans that some players don't care about such design philosophy and are more interested in practicality.
HoundofShadow said: It's definitely not possible for them to implement those traits nicely into the game, and I think how traits could be translated into MPQ is pretty subjective because it involves some sort of imaginations. They could design Bishop the way you would design him and it's logical. So, as you can see, there are many ways to design characters, and I think the team simply have to pick and discard certain abilities/effects. In the MPQ, if a character can do many stuffs with one power, the effects will be pretty weak. In Bishop's rework, he's putting out protect tile when's he's in front. If recovery and attack tiles are tagged onto this power, I think the effects might not be significant.
jp1 said: Daredevil217 said: jp1 said: It’s a matter of perspective I guess. Pay close attention to all recent and current releases and offers. Notice any trends? You mean the fact that Bishop was King B (beyond broken) for like two years and despite being a known problem upon his release, they didn’t nerf him untila) everyone had exhausted resources max-champing him. b) the counter everyone chased (Apocalypse) has left Latest Legends.c) they created a new shiny meta 4* for people to chase. Honestly. I don’t care. He’s dead. That’s all that matters to me. At least you can see the obvious manipulations. That’s a bonus, if you don’t mind them that’s a matter of personal taste. I haven’t used or put anything into Bishop for over six months at least, so my problem is with being treated like a simpleton. “Look, here are some entirely useless buffs to counteract the sledgehammer nerfs. We are nothing if not fair... Spent hundreds of hours or thousands of dollars to get these guys maxed? We’ll happily give you a tiny useless amount of ISO and HP to offset those losses (read theft).”The whole thing is just too much of a scumbag tactic for me to stomach honestly, the fact nobody cares is good, I guess, for those people at least. Call me old school but I really miss the days when they didn’t have to rip you off to make a profit. In any case, I seem to be in the minority. So, I’ll leave everyone to their party, cake, cherries, etc...don’t want to spoil the fun any longer. Wow!! You’ve spent thousands of dollars on a free game? I’m guessing patients isn’t one of your strong suits. I’m close to 1k in CPs, saved 300x2 savory and sweet tokens and spent maybe 20-50 a year on the game itself, my roster isn’t the strongest but for being 1 year old, I think I have a pretty decent roster. And I didn’t spend thousands of dollars. That’s just....WOW!!! Why would you do such a thing, unless you are rich, which in that case, you should have a pretty strong roster... but spending that much money when you can get those covers for free, with time and saving.... I guess I can’t understand why someone would do that. Bishop was a beast, and an exploited cover used to secure wins like a wimp... just made me realize all those people using them for a “free” win, didn’t really know how to play the game. Them nerfing worthy cap.... that one I don’t understand. He wasn’t overpowered. He was very balanced In defense and offense. So I wish, D3 would explain why they nerfed worthy Cap cause that doesn’t make sense at all. Thanks for you’re time. Hope everything works out for you.
Daredevil217 said: jp1 said: It’s a matter of perspective I guess. Pay close attention to all recent and current releases and offers. Notice any trends? You mean the fact that Bishop was King B (beyond broken) for like two years and despite being a known problem upon his release, they didn’t nerf him untila) everyone had exhausted resources max-champing him. b) the counter everyone chased (Apocalypse) has left Latest Legends.c) they created a new shiny meta 4* for people to chase. Honestly. I don’t care. He’s dead. That’s all that matters to me.
jp1 said: It’s a matter of perspective I guess. Pay close attention to all recent and current releases and offers. Notice any trends?
Ab_capone said: jp1 said: Daredevil217 said: jp1 said: It’s a matter of perspective I guess. Pay close attention to all recent and current releases and offers. Notice any trends? You mean the fact that Bishop was King B (beyond broken) for like two years and despite being a known problem upon his release, they didn’t nerf him untila) everyone had exhausted resources max-champing him. b) the counter everyone chased (Apocalypse) has left Latest Legends.c) they created a new shiny meta 4* for people to chase. Honestly. I don’t care. He’s dead. That’s all that matters to me. At least you can see the obvious manipulations. That’s a bonus, if you don’t mind them that’s a matter of personal taste. I haven’t used or put anything into Bishop for over six months at least, so my problem is with being treated like a simpleton. “Look, here are some entirely useless buffs to counteract the sledgehammer nerfs. We are nothing if not fair... Spent hundreds of hours or thousands of dollars to get these guys maxed? We’ll happily give you a tiny useless amount of ISO and HP to offset those losses (read theft).”The whole thing is just too much of a scumbag tactic for me to stomach honestly, the fact nobody cares is good, I guess, for those people at least. Call me old school but I really miss the days when they didn’t have to rip you off to make a profit. In any case, I seem to be in the minority. So, I’ll leave everyone to their party, cake, cherries, etc...don’t want to spoil the fun any longer. Wow!! You’ve spent thousands of dollars on a free game? I’m guessing patients isn’t one of your strong suits. I’m close to 1k in CPs, saved 300x2 savory and sweet tokens and spent maybe 20-50 a year on the game itself, my roster isn’t the strongest but for being 1 year old, I think I have a pretty decent roster. And I didn’t spend thousands of dollars. That’s just....WOW!!! Why would you do such a thing, unless you are rich, which in that case, you should have a pretty strong roster... but spending that much money when you can get those covers for free, with time and saving.... I guess I can’t understand why someone would do that. Bishop was a beast, and an exploited cover used to secure wins like a wimp... just made me realize all those people using them for a “free” win, didn’t really know how to play the game. Them nerfing worthy cap.... that one I don’t understand. He wasn’t overpowered. He was very balanced In defense and offense. So I wish, D3 would explain why they nerfed worthy Cap cause that doesn’t make sense at all. Thanks for you’re time. Hope everything works out for you.