ammenell said: not sure about his kit, but I'm going to break my hoard for apoc and just wanted to wait if the next 5 is better than yelena - and they release one of my favorite mcu villains, I'm all in.first partners I can think of are sinister to spam traps (i don't even know if sinister works that way) and karnak with America, but there is a lot overlap
wymtime said: ammenell said: not sure about his kit, but I'm going to break my hoard for apoc and just wanted to wait if the next 5 is better than yelena - and they release one of my favorite mcu villains, I'm all in.first partners I can think of are sinister to spam traps (i don't even know if sinister works that way) and karnak with America, but there is a lot overlap I think America Sinister could work because if you deny red when America drops a critical tile you just leave it alone. Then the AI matches the critical and Sinister blocks the damage and Killmonger does 28k damage. It would be super slow to get going but interesting.also Killmonger trap tiles will help Sinisters blue power. The problem is too many trap tiles makes it hard to know which is which
IceIX said:Repatriation - PASSIVE(PASSIVE) Killmonger takes back what rightfully belongs to his people. When the enemy makes a Match-5, Killmonger locks the generated Critical tile. At the start of your turn, all Critical tiles become unlocked.When the enemy matches a Critical tile, Killmonger takes 5 Red AP as payment. If the enemy cannot afford that, Killmonger deals 3579 damage to the target instead. (Max level 14385 damage)Level 2: Deals 4028 damage. (Max level 16190 damage)Level 3: Deals 4477 damage. (Max level 17994 damage)Level 4: Deals 5375 damage. (Max level 21604 damage)Level 5: Deals 7171 damage. (Max level 28823 damage)
KGB said: wymtime said: ammenell said: not sure about his kit, but I'm going to break my hoard for apoc and just wanted to wait if the next 5 is better than yelena - and they release one of my favorite mcu villains, I'm all in.first partners I can think of are sinister to spam traps (i don't even know if sinister works that way) and karnak with America, but there is a lot overlap I think America Sinister could work because if you deny red when America drops a critical tile you just leave it alone. Then the AI matches the critical and Sinister blocks the damage and Killmonger does 28k damage. It would be super slow to get going but interesting.also Killmonger trap tiles will help Sinisters blue power. The problem is too many trap tiles makes it hard to know which is which Problem is Killmonger only does his damage when the enemy team has <5 Red AP. Otherwise he just steals 5 Red. Eventually after enough crits he will drain all the enemy AP but you still have to eat a few (assuming Sinister doesn't have the Black for his own passive).That's the weakness with his passive in that he doesn't always do the damage component.KGB
Michael1957 said: This maybe the strongest color denial, red only , since the B-word . I didn’t think Chavez/ Karnak was such a meta level threat they immediately had to counter it .
Vhailorx said: Michael1957 said: This maybe the strongest color denial, red only , since the B-word . I didn’t think Chavez/ Karnak was such a meta level threat they immediately had to counter it . Only if the opponent actually matches criticals though. It's going to be useless in quite a few matches. But it certainly is a hard counter to lots of strong teams (anyone that relied on tileswapping powers or crit-generating passives. If you just want to suppress enemy ap, Yelena's red seems better.Questions I have about order of operations:Will his black passive kill half-thor on a cascade-->red/green match5 if he is tanking those colors? Or does it always strike the target character?Against thorkoye or apoc, Willi he really have black match damage ~2200 thanks to his red passive? That will be a little threatening, like facing 650s in pve.When does the crit-tile locking happen? If the opponent makes a match5 and the resulting cascade makes another match5, are there one or two locked crit tiles left? Does the opponent still get another turn (he doesn't seem to stun like 4* jg).I think 5/5/3 may be the way to play him. Purple looks like it might hit hard, but only if a lot of things go right and you get 10 purple. Maximizing the other two colors makes his passives quite punishing, and I expect that when he is useful, it will be because he is fueling that red fairly often.Also, yet more match damage creep. At least he doesn't also have 80k health. I think his downside is something like JJ, hard hitting and a bit hard to play around, but not quite meta. And his upside is a meta defensive character.
wymtime said: Vhailorx said: Michael1957 said: This maybe the strongest color denial, red only , since the B-word . I didn’t think Chavez/ Karnak was such a meta level threat they immediately had to counter it . Only if the opponent actually matches criticals though. It's going to be useless in quite a few matches. But it certainly is a hard counter to lots of strong teams (anyone that relied on tileswapping powers or crit-generating passives. If you just want to suppress enemy ap, Yelena's red seems better.Questions I have about order of operations:Will his black passive kill half-thor on a cascade-->red/green match5 if he is tanking those colors? Or does it always strike the target character?Against thorkoye or apoc, Willi he really have black match damage ~2200 thanks to his red passive? That will be a little threatening, like facing 650s in pve.When does the crit-tile locking happen? If the opponent makes a match5 and the resulting cascade makes another match5, are there one or two locked crit tiles left? Does the opponent still get another turn (he doesn't seem to stun like 4* jg).I think 5/5/3 may be the way to play him. Purple looks like it might hit hard, but only if a lot of things go right and you get 10 purple. Maximizing the other two colors makes his passives quite punishing, and I expect that when he is useful, it will be because he is fueling that red fairly often.Also, yet more match damage creep. At least he doesn't also have 80k health. I think his downside is something like JJ, hard hitting and a bit hard to play around, but not quite meta. And his upside is a meta defensive character. I think you are sleeping on his Purple. 23k direct damage plus 2k per trap tile. No in PVE against goons you might not get many trap tiles out but against active opponents I can see 4-5 trap tiles out easy giving an extra 10k damage. With his red you can use it for its passive but the active is good not great. There are a lot of quality red powers over Killmongers. Also with 100% more damage at level 3 the passive is still good.lastly with the top 5* in the game only Professor X has a quality purple ability. This means with Britty or a Thor team Purple is Killmonger purple is a very open power Killmonger can fill
VizMantis said: How does Killmonger look as compared with Yelena in terms of hoard pulling?For a bit more detail, I broke my hoard a couple weeks ago for iHulk and Apocalypse. I can't hope for much better than baby champ 5*s given my level of play, so once I champed iHulk, I stopped pulling, figuring I'd wait and see if the next 5* after Onslaught was better than Yelena. I'm having a hard time deciding if Killmonger is indeed better, especially since Yelena has an 8 cover head start from my initial pull. Anyone have any advice on the subject?
wymtime said: VizMantis said: How does Killmonger look as compared with Yelena in terms of hoard pulling?For a bit more detail, I broke my hoard a couple weeks ago for iHulk and Apocalypse. I can't hope for much better than baby champ 5*s given my level of play, so once I champed iHulk, I stopped pulling, figuring I'd wait and see if the next 5* after Onslaught was better than Yelena. I'm having a hard time deciding if Killmonger is indeed better, especially since Yelena has an 8 cover head start from my initial pull. Anyone have any advice on the subject? Really interesting question. Yelena’s red is really too for CL10 PVE in denying AP but overall I don’t think she is that great. I think overall Killmonger is stronger and can do more damage. I don’t know if Killmonger is meta but I think he is slightly better than Yelena
VizMantis said: I'm mostly focused on PVE, I really only play to 13 wins for the 10 cp in PVP. I'm largely interested in making my CL10 PVE experience easier (just looking to speed up my progression, not looking for placement). To that end, I mostly use Thorkoye with a PX third wheel for some bonus damage. Since I've got iHulk now, I've been running some Hulkoye as well. So I guess the question is, are Yelena or Killmonger likely to be a better third wheel (sounds like maybe Yelena) or likely to form part of a solid replacement team altogether (maybe Killmonger?). So far it sounds like its kind of a toss-up, so I'm inclined to just go for Yelena. As I mentioned, she's got an 8 cover headstart, so I can almost certainly champ her faster than I could Killmonger, leaving me more resources for the next hoard.
Akroma said: spiderman 2099, iceman 5*, if okoye can tank red, sabretooh. and 4* torch of course if u have an usable ihulk its good too