Event tokens and wave node rewards

DeNappa

I noticed that, I think starting from previous event (Meet R&G), wave nodes don't seem to give an event token any more. Instead of an event token, they now give a heroic token on the first clear. Did I miss some announcement about this? Or were they silently removed from the reward pool? Why is this?

jamesh

This has previously been brought up in the sneak peek thread and its own thread in the bugs and technical issues section here:

https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/82407/possible-wrong-token-in-teeth-and-tentacles#latest

So far no responses from D3Go or Demiurge staff.  I suspect it is a reason to standardise between events the fraction of a vault you can pull with free tokens.

MrPlow

It's all about trying to get people to use up HP.  They've also been reducing HP in rewards since shards were a thing.  All this is about getting people to spend real money on more HP for stuff like tokens, roster spots, shielding, etc.  That's why they won't slow down on new characters and small changes.  And it's obvious the devs are purposely staying quiet so don't expect a response.  Same story for months.

Omegased

I've noticed that, but not sure if I'm sad about it. A heroic gives you shards, so could argue better than the 1/80 chance for a 2star....

DeNappa

Omegased said:

I've noticed that, but not sure if I'm sad about it. A heroic gives you shards, so could argue better than the 1/80 chance for a 2star....

Well, the advantage to event tokens (at least if they're vault tokens) is that you can hold on to them if you already pulled the reward(s) you wanted from the vault, so you can spend them the next time the event comes around.

While I don't always do this, I sometimes save the tokens until the vault features a 4* that I haven't max covered yet, or one that I'm chasing champ rewards for. 

bluewolf

Even if you don't hoard tokens from event to event, getting more vault tokens from waves is good IMO for a few reasons:

1.  Each token you pull increases the odds that you get one of the things you are looking for.  Heroics have shards, but it's not quite the same thing.

2. Event vaults have Support tokens, which are sometimes helpful, especially for newer players.  They also have LTs and, as was already pointed out, specific 4s.  None of these are in Heroics  (well, you might get a 4, but the odds of a specific one are very low).

3.  While waves are not hard at the trivial level once you have a few good characters, it is a break from past design to stop giving you tokens from waves (we never got tokens from H3 waves but you get a CP there).  I had assumed the point of the token was an extra reward for the time and effort, and a Heroic is better than a Standard, but it still seems worse than the Event token.  I hate waves and the banners  and the event token made them more tolerable for me.

4.  While giving out more vault tokens leads to players getting higher odds that they will get what they want for "free" (from play), it' is also true that increasing your odds (from token pulls) could cause someone to spend a little more HP/cash chasing the desired items.  Also, it's more rewarding for players to get that random lucky pull from play, hence creating incentive to play and a more enjoyable experience.

I feel like this is all intentional and there will be no comment since it's a negative change IMO.  It's disappointing to see yet another way the devs keep trying to nickel and dime us with HP and other things.

I would not be surprised if in a month or so all the HP rewards in the game start decreasing further, again with no communication.

DyingLegend

There has been a lot of weird changes but no announcements

Did they even discuss the reasoning behind the SCL10 CP change?

Hellblazer666

I too have noticed this and I think it sucks. I love getting vault tokens. I don't want tokens I can get from every other mode of the game. Please respond regarding this mods/devs

The rockett

@LakeStone
@IceIX
any comment on this?  Is this a Bug issue or is this just the way it is?  

*we think we know the answer already*

Omegased

DeNappa said:

While I don't always do this, I sometimes save the tokens until the vault features a 4* that I haven't max covered yet, or one that I'm chasing champ rewards for. 

yea that's a valid point, but also something I think the game doesn't want us doing. i also think it's probably not necessary if you're playing SLC9 or 10 as new covers come very quickly for them (but also if your roster is good enough for that, you probably don't need to max any further 4s)....

Jormagund

I also save Vault tokens, not really to target specific fours (except for Tacos next time they have a limited character).

Save up enough tokens/HP you can pretty much guarantee beating the odds for drawing the four stars/latest legends.  Worst case scenario it takes 80 pulls.  But normally you'll pull all three before this, two of the three before 53 or one before 27 and in the long term earn more fours.

MoosePrime

It looks to me like the point values have also been reduced.

bluewolf

In Sub 3, I got to the 3E wave, and it's the same thing.  A Heroic token.

It seemed sort-of OK on a Trivial, but the 3E got my ire up.

Why was this done?  

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MoosePrime said:

It looks to me like the point values have also been reduced.

The Sub 3 points are all the same as prior runs.  I think the points are the same as before.

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EDIT:  This really really ticks me off.  I HATE WAVES.  I sort of figured it was a trade off, waiting through the endless banners and whatnot to end up with another vault token which was fun to open.

Now, we are just going to get Heroic tokens for all that?

You guys are nickel and diming us.  What a way to treat the people who keep you in business.

DAZ0273

Add me to those who would rather have an event token. I have a bunch of Heroics already. I'm not hoarding them or anything, just haven't been bothered to open them for a while. At least the vaults you can carry over and see what is on offer.

HoundofShadow

I love my vault tokens. 
I need them to get Support Tokens.

The rockett

So here is another change, like the PVP rewards change, and nobody from Demi or D3 can take 1 minute out of their day to come here to answer us. 

Does anybody from D3 or Demi have 1 minute today to spare to please come here on your forums and answer this question?   1 minute on May 27th 2020.  Can that happen? 

@IceIX
@LakeStone
@Brigby
@Demiurge_Will
@Demiurge_Anthony
@Demiurge_[bagman]
@Demiurge_Kabir

HoundofShadow

Is Brigby back again? I thought he'd left.
And, the last one... 

MoosePrime

bluewolf said:

MoosePrime said:

It looks to me like the point values have also been reduced.

The Sub 3 points are all the same as prior runs.  I think the points are the same as before.

Yeah, the points looked right on the 3* essential node.  The trivial wave nodes in the previous subs are the ones I thought might have been reduced.  IIRC, they used to be worth more than the non-wave nodes (even the hard ones), however, this time they were worth what a normal node in that position would have been.

Haithere

More unannounced nerfs to rewards. This company is determined to bleed its remaining playerbase dry rather than trying to attract new players. Wild.

PinkoMcFlyToo

As shardpocolypse and the recent apocolypsepocolypse have shown, the devs respond when CS gets hit with a bunch of queries regarding an issue.

Maybe its because they are an outside contractor that gets paid per ticket they receive...

If this is perceived as a bug, which it appears to be, then I don't see how contacting CS would be innapropriate.

bluewolf

You might have thought - maybe - that Trivial waves are so easy, maybe it's not too bad that they took out the event token from the node rewards.

Today I played Sub 1 of Infinite Pursuit.  The first Hard node is a wave.  Guess what I got from the node?  A Heroic token.  In SCL10.

Frustrating.  Annoying.  Feels cheap. I think everyone should keep a close eye on progression rewards in case they decide to nerf those one of these days.