Borstock said: I sold my Gambit. I would be aggravated if they restored him.
tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth. Let's be honest (and no this is not a call for a nerf!) I suspect Kitty easily comes close to if not equals use across ALL tiers as much as OML did. OML wasn't really much of a threat on defence, not like Kitty is. They share that yellow in common too, lol! Logans pre nerf sustain far outweighs kitties buffing for his use. You could team him with any character you wanted. Kitty needs allies with specials.If they would revert Logan at 5 covers but reduce his yellow at one or two covers he would be fine. As he is I still use him tons. Kitty, logan, iceman is very effective and fun in 5* land.
DAZ0273 said: blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth. Let's be honest (and no this is not a call for a nerf!) I suspect Kitty easily comes close to if not equals use across ALL tiers as much as OML did. OML wasn't really much of a threat on defence, not like Kitty is. They share that yellow in common too, lol!
blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth.
DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth. Let's be honest (and no this is not a call for a nerf!) I suspect Kitty easily comes close to if not equals use across ALL tiers as much as OML did. OML wasn't really much of a threat on defence, not like Kitty is. They share that yellow in common too, lol! Logans pre nerf sustain far outweighs kitties buffing for his use. You could team him with any character you wanted. Kitty needs allies with specials.If they would revert Logan at 5 covers but reduce his yellow at one or two covers he would be fine. As he is I still use him tons. Kitty, logan, iceman is very effective and fun in 5* land. Hmm...are you sure? I would be willing to bet that Kitty, on a per ratio basis, is up there. Maybe she does need a nerf if the protests are the lady, etc, eh? 😉😂
Vhailorx said: DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth. Let's be honest (and no this is not a call for a nerf!) I suspect Kitty easily comes close to if not equals use across ALL tiers as much as OML did. OML wasn't really much of a threat on defence, not like Kitty is. They share that yellow in common too, lol! Logans pre nerf sustain far outweighs kitties buffing for his use. You could team him with any character you wanted. Kitty needs allies with specials.If they would revert Logan at 5 covers but reduce his yellow at one or two covers he would be fine. As he is I still use him tons. Kitty, logan, iceman is very effective and fun in 5* land. Hmm...are you sure? I would be willing to bet that Kitty, on a per ratio basis, is up there. Maybe she does need a nerf if the protests are the lady, etc, eh? 😉😂 Kitty by herself is absolutely fine. No one is scared by kitty alone.Kitty + instant tiles are an inconvenience, but even so area manageable. Kitty + instant tiles PLUS a long stun on turn 2 from unavoidable passives is a problem.
DAZ0273 said: Vhailorx said: DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth. Let's be honest (and no this is not a call for a nerf!) I suspect Kitty easily comes close to if not equals use across ALL tiers as much as OML did. OML wasn't really much of a threat on defence, not like Kitty is. They share that yellow in common too, lol! Logans pre nerf sustain far outweighs kitties buffing for his use. You could team him with any character you wanted. Kitty needs allies with specials.If they would revert Logan at 5 covers but reduce his yellow at one or two covers he would be fine. As he is I still use him tons. Kitty, logan, iceman is very effective and fun in 5* land. Hmm...are you sure? I would be willing to bet that Kitty, on a per ratio basis, is up there. Maybe she does need a nerf if the protests are the lady, etc, eh? 😉😂 Kitty by herself is absolutely fine. No one is scared by kitty alone.Kitty + instant tiles are an inconvenience, but even so area manageable. Kitty + instant tiles PLUS a long stun on turn 2 from unavoidable passives is a problem. Again, no offence but I don't think you are seeing lower levels and are just talking from a level where Kitty is norm rather than abnormally featured relevant to how many covers/levels. I am by no means a noob either but Kitty is far more widespread than your model suggests. Plenty of 1 level yellow Kitty's are in the mix that you will never see. I honestly scratch my head sometimes looking at the other options these players have and yet there is Kitty.
DAZ0273 said: Again, no offence but I don't think you are seeing lower levels and are just talking from a level where Kitty is norm rather than abnormally featured relevant to how many covers/levels. I am by no means a noob either but Kitty is far more widespread than your model suggests. Plenty of 1 level yellow Kitty's are in the mix that you will never see. I honestly scratch my head sometimes looking at the other options these players have and yet there is Kitty.
ThaRoadWarrior said: It never seems to be a number tweak on these things, it’s always a scorched earth reconstruction. Seems like just playing with damage or AP gain numbers would be enough.
TPF Alexis said: ThaRoadWarrior said: It never seems to be a number tweak on these things, it’s always a scorched earth reconstruction. Seems like just playing with damage or AP gain numbers would be enough. That always bugs me. There are a fair few characters where the mechanics are fine, but the numbers are too high/low. Those could be such simple tweaks, and could also be done very conservatively and gradually.
tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: Vhailorx said: DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth. Let's be honest (and no this is not a call for a nerf!) I suspect Kitty easily comes close to if not equals use across ALL tiers as much as OML did. OML wasn't really much of a threat on defence, not like Kitty is. They share that yellow in common too, lol! Logans pre nerf sustain far outweighs kitties buffing for his use. You could team him with any character you wanted. Kitty needs allies with specials.If they would revert Logan at 5 covers but reduce his yellow at one or two covers he would be fine. As he is I still use him tons. Kitty, logan, iceman is very effective and fun in 5* land. Hmm...are you sure? I would be willing to bet that Kitty, on a per ratio basis, is up there. Maybe she does need a nerf if the protests are the lady, etc, eh? 😉😂 Kitty by herself is absolutely fine. No one is scared by kitty alone.Kitty + instant tiles are an inconvenience, but even so area manageable. Kitty + instant tiles PLUS a long stun on turn 2 from unavoidable passives is a problem. Again, no offence but I don't think you are seeing lower levels and are just talking from a level where Kitty is norm rather than abnormally featured relevant to how many covers/levels. I am by no means a noob either but Kitty is far more widespread than your model suggests. Plenty of 1 level yellow Kitty's are in the mix that you will never see. I honestly scratch my head sometimes looking at the other options these players have and yet there is Kitty. Were you around for oml before his nerf? Kitty at 1 yellow needs something to buff or to gain 8 yellow to put out 2 protects. Oml at 1 yellow needed nothing. He was a self sustaining meatshield that was very difficult for low tier rosters to face. And he was much easier to get because there were way less 5*'s.
ThaRoadWarrior said: Surely 4ocket has been used in more fights since release than any other character?
DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: Vhailorx said: DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth. Let's be honest (and no this is not a call for a nerf!) I suspect Kitty easily comes close to if not equals use across ALL tiers as much as OML did. OML wasn't really much of a threat on defence, not like Kitty is. They share that yellow in common too, lol! Logans pre nerf sustain far outweighs kitties buffing for his use. You could team him with any character you wanted. Kitty needs allies with specials.If they would revert Logan at 5 covers but reduce his yellow at one or two covers he would be fine. As he is I still use him tons. Kitty, logan, iceman is very effective and fun in 5* land. Hmm...are you sure? I would be willing to bet that Kitty, on a per ratio basis, is up there. Maybe she does need a nerf if the protests are the lady, etc, eh? 😉😂 Kitty by herself is absolutely fine. No one is scared by kitty alone.Kitty + instant tiles are an inconvenience, but even so area manageable. Kitty + instant tiles PLUS a long stun on turn 2 from unavoidable passives is a problem. Again, no offence but I don't think you are seeing lower levels and are just talking from a level where Kitty is norm rather than abnormally featured relevant to how many covers/levels. I am by no means a noob either but Kitty is far more widespread than your model suggests. Plenty of 1 level yellow Kitty's are in the mix that you will never see. I honestly scratch my head sometimes looking at the other options these players have and yet there is Kitty. Were you around for oml before his nerf? Kitty at 1 yellow needs something to buff or to gain 8 yellow to put out 2 protects. Oml at 1 yellow needed nothing. He was a self sustaining meatshield that was very difficult for low tier rosters to face. And he was much easier to get because there were way less 5*'s. I was indeed around for OML before his nerf but as I said in my original post the difference is that OML was no deterrent in PvP on defence. You could wear him down and his health was low - Thanos was more of a scarecrow back in the day. And finding Kitty a partner to buff is hardly a lot of work - 3* Daken is a favourite for 3* players who have her yellow.
tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: Vhailorx said: DAZ0273 said: tiomono said: DAZ0273 said: blankcanvas said: Spot on @bluewolf. Usage stats supposedly dictated the OML nerf. They could easily reverse now as he's nowhere near the meta usage when compared to the likes of gritty, thorkoye, bishop, juggs and sabretooth. Let's be honest (and no this is not a call for a nerf!) I suspect Kitty easily comes close to if not equals use across ALL tiers as much as OML did. OML wasn't really much of a threat on defence, not like Kitty is. They share that yellow in common too, lol! Logans pre nerf sustain far outweighs kitties buffing for his use. You could team him with any character you wanted. Kitty needs allies with specials.If they would revert Logan at 5 covers but reduce his yellow at one or two covers he would be fine. As he is I still use him tons. Kitty, logan, iceman is very effective and fun in 5* land. Hmm...are you sure? I would be willing to bet that Kitty, on a per ratio basis, is up there. Maybe she does need a nerf if the protests are the lady, etc, eh? 😉😂 Kitty by herself is absolutely fine. No one is scared by kitty alone.Kitty + instant tiles are an inconvenience, but even so area manageable. Kitty + instant tiles PLUS a long stun on turn 2 from unavoidable passives is a problem. Again, no offence but I don't think you are seeing lower levels and are just talking from a level where Kitty is norm rather than abnormally featured relevant to how many covers/levels. I am by no means a noob either but Kitty is far more widespread than your model suggests. Plenty of 1 level yellow Kitty's are in the mix that you will never see. I honestly scratch my head sometimes looking at the other options these players have and yet there is Kitty. Were you around for oml before his nerf? Kitty at 1 yellow needs something to buff or to gain 8 yellow to put out 2 protects. Oml at 1 yellow needed nothing. He was a self sustaining meatshield that was very difficult for low tier rosters to face. And he was much easier to get because there were way less 5*'s. I was indeed around for OML before his nerf but as I said in my original post the difference is that OML was no deterrent in PvP on defence. You could wear him down and his health was low - Thanos was more of a scarecrow back in the day. And finding Kitty a partner to buff is hardly a lot of work - 3* Daken is a favourite for 3* players who have her yellow. What was your roster like around that time? I was in beginner 3* land and Logan was most definitely a deterrent to me. He shrugged off all match damage, could take a decent amount of hits and still heal up. While doing bigger match damage than anything I could muster. I'm really not interested in taking this discussion to kitty vs Logan. The topic was should Logan and gambit be reverted. Gambit I say no. There had never been a one man wrecking crew like that before him and I hope there will never be another. Logan could be reverted with his effectiveness lowered with fewer covers on his yellow.
blankcanvas said: I loved pre nerf 3* gambit so hard. He was amazing but totally OP.
ThaRoadWarrior said: Changing a damage number is almost certainly trivial, and could almost certainly be done by a designer with little to no engineering support. Manually testing it with all possible edge cases possibly not so much, but it can’t possibly be easier to do a total power replacement than to adjust a variable in a character class.
In the past, character rebalances have been paired up with increased sell-back prices or at the 5* level effective conversion of covers to special 5*-only tokens. That's going to create a financial hit, especially if the rebalance is intended to nerf the character.
If the community was fine with no compensation for minor character tweaks, then perhaps they'd be more likely to do small tweaks. But how do you define "minor" here? Changing a number associated with a power could easily make the difference between "viable" and "bench warmer".