Feedergate
theomen
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I made this thread as the Feedergate issue keeps coming up in multiple threads across the forum and I think it needs its own place to live. I just want to discuss the lack of feeders and the response we got, not any other anniversary related issues.
We all know the stories: wire-tapping, break-ins, scandal, intrigue. But what is the real story behind Feedergate? Was Nixon REALLY involved?
I'll start at the end: on Friday 11th October, at 6.49pm - a Discord chat which will live in infamy - it was confirmed by Demiurge_BeardQuest_Anthony that there will be no feeders for the anniversary because, "There wasn't an obvious feeder so no one was chosen."
I'll start at the end: on Friday 11th October, at 6.49pm - a Discord chat which will live in infamy - it was confirmed by Demiurge_BeardQuest_Anthony that there will be no feeders for the anniversary because, "There wasn't an obvious feeder so no one was chosen."
I'm hoping we can use this thread to discuss what happened and perhaps construct a timeline of events so that we can all begin to heal. Please feel free to share your pain; this is a safe space.
Does anyone know when we first heard they were scaling back feeders?
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That's ok, I think we'd all take a newish 4* over no feeder.They could have done new Torch to feed Doom for example, or Magik and Juggs to feed either Prof X, Storm or Iceman.0
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Thanks, I corrected the date.Torch and Doom aren't really related so that was a poor suggestion on my part. If Demi don't want to use the very obvious choice, Invisible Woman, because people would get too many covers, I guess I can understand that. Although, that's not the reason they gave at all.I stand by my Xmen suggestions though.1
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I just deleted a very long post about this game. All I will say is.... move on.0
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To be fair the comment may have been a bit careless in its wording. It was tossed out in Discord at 6:49 pm as you say, on a Friday as he was probably headed home to his family.
But there was no answer that would have been accepted well since there was no good answer to the situation.
Obviously they did not plan to implement a feeder and none of our complaining was going to change that.
Why? Maybe because spending overall is down and they have some calculation about how generous to be in relation to income.
Maybe because they legitimately didn't have the time to implement everything in a shortened period (just a 2 week anniversary).
Maybe because they are, actually (apparently) also working on a way to at least partly address dilution and they didn't want to push out a feeder until that program was in place.
Maybe because they have a stable (not growing in numbers) playerbase and yet need to find ways to make more money from that same number of players, and giving things away isn't helping that effort.
I dunno, the relative pullback in generosity on the Anniversary is hardly out of place in 2019. It's just part of the trend for the entire year.3 -
Does any have the exact words they said during the podcast regarding feeders?
I can remember vaguely that they said they feel they released the feeders too fast and they are going to figure out what's a good rate. I also vaguely remember they will put feeders along special events. However, they did not tell us what kind of special events they are referring to, and neither will they reveal the classification of "special events".
As for the remark about there being no obvious feeders, I think they were indirectly saying that they won't be any feeder for anniversary, and some are actually getting triggered over that remark. Reply about feeder is serious business.0 -
bluewolf said:To be fair the comment may have been a bit careless in its wording. It was tossed out in Discord at 6:49 pm as you say, on a Friday as he was probably headed home to his family.
But there was no answer that would have been accepted well since there was no good answer to the situation.
Obviously they did not plan to implement a feeder and none of our complaining was going to change that.
Why? Maybe because spending overall is down and they have some calculation about how generous to be in relation to income.
Maybe because they legitimately didn't have the time to implement everything in a shortened period (just a 2 week anniversary).
Maybe because they are, actually (apparently) also working on a way to at least partly address dilution and they didn't want to push out a feeder until that program was in place.
Maybe because they have a stable (not growing in numbers) playerbase and yet need to find ways to make more money from that same number of players, and giving things away isn't helping that effort.
I dunno, the relative pullback in generosity on the Anniversary is hardly out of place in 2019. It's just part of the trend for the entire year.@bluewolf those are very good points!I'm still a bit annoyed though. If Demi never planned on giving us a feeder they should have just said so instead of giving players false hope and creating a ton of ill will along the way.Also, the only reason we know we're not getting feeders is because of a Discord conversation. I get that players would have taken it badly but I still think we should have been told on the forum.2 -
I agree that it would have been preferable to tell us up front - in a way - that we weren't getting a feeder.
But then.....maybe that information would have impacted people's spending in a negative way. I'm not sure any official comment was made one way or the other on the forum, so in a way player expectations - which were completely reasonable given the fact that we got a feeder last year - led to this situation as much as anything else.
If the devs wanted to make an Anniversary that met player expectations - which is I presume at least part of what motivates them - a survey would have quickly revealed that a feeder is one of the top requests for a significant number of players.
I think every player can agree the forum communication has been reduced over the past few weeks or so...partly due to NYCC.....other factors might be Puzzle Quest Switch. And maybe other things.0 -
I’m over it to be honest. I still think it was a cop out and a terrible excuse. Seriously, think about if you chose your words so poorly or intentionally poked the bear (we don’t know) and you told your boss...”It was the end of the day and I was ready to go home”. I don’t know about you, but I’d be looking at a “meeting” at minimum. A member of my team would be looking at something permanent for their file.
Anyway, I barely could stomach playing yesterday. All this is just making me more annoyed and aggravated. I’m not sure I’m ready to quit just yet, so I guess I’m just going to eat whatever **** sandwich they serve for now. It isn’t as if any efforts to reach them in a meaningful way on the forums even penetrate the wall they have up.
I don’t think this place is toxic for the Devs at all, because honestly it seems like they couldn’t care less. It is starting to be toxic for me though, and possibly some other players.7 -
Chavez feeds JJ.
Ima head out.0 -
HoundofShadow said:Does any have the exact words they said during the podcast regarding feeders?
I can remember vaguely that they said they feel they released the feeders too fast and they are going to figure out what's a good rate. I also vaguely remember they will put feeders along special events. However, they did not tell us what kind of special events they are referring to, and neither will they reveal the classification of "special events".
As for the remark about there being no obvious feeders, I think they were indirectly saying that they won't be any feeder for anniversary, and some are actually getting triggered over that remark. Reply about feeder is serious business.
5th Anniversary (1st one since Aug '18): America to JJ (Edit)
Halloween 2018 - GR to GR. MPQ often likes to do some Halloween events (a PVP or two, a vault, etc)
December (Into the Spiderverse release): Carnage to Ock
January 2019 (The World's Most Fantastic Month aka the big Marvel FF comic relaunch): Mr F to Surfer
Endgamebration: 4CM to 5CM in April, and Mordo to Strange in May
FarFromBration: Miles to Kingpin
Marvel had a very big X-men push, also in July-ish, which saw plenty of new X-characters but none of the multiple unfed X-5's getting a feeder. Whatevs.
So in the realm of "events big enough for a feeder" it feels a bit like the Anniversary would normally qualify.
I mean it's beyond obvious that we aren't getting a feeder for the Anniversary since it ends in 2 days.
Players have every right to feel frustrated. We lost a significant amount of ground in terms of how many unfed there are in the past year.4 -
We didn't get a feeder find, but they have should been upfront about it.
When asked in the first week about a feeder, they strongly hinted almost basically confirmed that we would get one, then that ridiculous excuse after they failed to deliver.
They intentionally mislead to keep their sales up, which is very bad business and a total betrayal of the consumer/customer relatuinshiop.
If feeders are dead, just tell us. I'm a good portion of the player would like to exchange some covers if so.10 -
Which page of that thread did they hint that there will a feeder?0
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they've given some feeders out of left field before.
moonstone - hulk - someone can enlighten me on this one
squirrel girl - antman - see above
she hulk - gwenpoole - again, enlighten me here (i never was into comics, the answer might be in the pages)
jubilee - phoenix - teen jean is clearly the more obvious choice here.
kingpin - 5* daredevil - worked until fatpin was released. could have been changed
bagman-spiderman-miles-fatpin - spidey runs through all tiers. again, could be changed
3* panther - mr fantastik - okay???
2* widow - 3* widow - fury - again, widow runs through all tiers. clear path not taken
3* strange - nova
psylocke - peggy carter
scarlett witch - quake
thor-thor-red hulk
thanos - spider woman
storm-storm-thor
loki - venom
quicksilver - war machine
vision- wasp
ragnarok-x-23
maybe in places i've not seen all these make sense, but when you have:
gambit-rogue - how does 5* gambit not make sense here
or :
4* iceman - 5* iceman
4* cyclops - cable
4* prof x - 5* prof x
hulkbuster - rescue
magik - kitty
to say there are no obvious feeders is at best a flippant comment made without thinking or at worst a straight up lie.
if the appetite for providing feeders has waned then say that or say nothing.
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bluewolf said:
5th Anniversary (1st one since Aug '18): America to Chavez
(I often mix them up too btw I dont even know why)2 -
Ed_Dragonrider said:bluewolf said:
5th Anniversary (1st one since Aug '18): America to Chavez
(I often mix them up too btw I dont even know why)0 -
HoundofShadow said:Which page of that thread did they hint that there will a feeder?
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I didn't know that happened. So, how did he roughly hint about it?0
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@Houndofshadow how do you know he 'roughly' hinted if you haven't read it? Here it is:Ice: No word on feeders. Not saying there are/are not, but this is only week one of the Anniversary stuff.User: FEEDERS CONFIRMED!!!!User 2: I think IceIX said "all remaining five stars get feeders in Week 2 of the anniversary"Ice: Yeah. That. Which I didn't say. But I guess I did?You can interpret this however you want. To me what matters is that people have been asking for feeders for months, the devs knew we wanted them for the anniversary and then they didn't even bother to tell us we weren't getting them.7
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Cable even has 4 choices that absolutely makes sense for him.
Cyclops- father
Domino- xforce member and kinda girlfriend
Bishop- fellow time traveler and had an entire series of him versus cable/hope.
Deadpool- easy, well duh, but can understand holding him back if he ever got a 5 star...of course that 5 star wouldn't get a feeder too.
Domino, above all, would have been an easy low level feeder where rewards would have been sparse for most players.2 -
@theomen Thank you for the chatlog.
It seems like that happened quite some time ago, probably during the first week of anniversary.
I interpret it as there isn't a confirmation on whether there will be a feeder or not. Maybe there is. Maybe there isn't.
It seems that he didn't have conclusive evidence to prove either case, so he's covering both possibilities.
So, it was confirmed that there won't be feeder on Friday.
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