MushroomGenius808 said: ...................... blame Ike Perlmutter.
Interesting that they also replaced Captain Marvel (the second of that name, I believe she went by Photon after that,) though to be fair she was a character who never really made it out of the 80s, at least in her popularity.
It's definitely notable that the X-Men (and Johnny Storm, another non-Disney property,) were the other ones replaced
GrimSkald said: MushroomGenius808 said: ...................... blame Ike Perlmutter. Interesting that they also replaced Captain Marvel (the second of that name, I believe she went by Photon after that,) though to be fair she was a character who never really made it out of the 80s, at least in her popularity.It's definitely notable that the X-Men (and Johnny Storm, another non-Disney property,) were the other ones replaced
broll said: tiomono said: So yeah they are not really promoting xmen movies, but they are still doing comic versions of the characters. When I quoted someone saying "now we can get new xmen characters" I was pointing out we have always had xmen characters. And were continuing to get them even with the movie studio shenanegins. There was a long period of time were X-men characters were definitely not being released. They even more or less confirmed it when shortly before the announcement of the Disney buyout of Fox they released several highly requested X-men characters in rapid succession (Rogue, Gambit, Nightcrawler) and had an X-men themed logo/event (initial Apocalypse event). I believe they even said something about the triumphant return of X-men. Its also well documented one of the top Disney executives went out of his way to not do fox movie properties in any form if avoidable. Hence the cancellation of and now re-release of The Fantastic 4.
tiomono said: So yeah they are not really promoting xmen movies, but they are still doing comic versions of the characters. When I quoted someone saying "now we can get new xmen characters" I was pointing out we have always had xmen characters. And were continuing to get them even with the movie studio shenanegins.
JHawkInc said: broll said: tiomono said: So yeah they are not really promoting xmen movies, but they are still doing comic versions of the characters. When I quoted someone saying "now we can get new xmen characters" I was pointing out we have always had xmen characters. And were continuing to get them even with the movie studio shenanegins. There was a long period of time were X-men characters were definitely not being released. They even more or less confirmed it when shortly before the announcement of the Disney buyout of Fox they released several highly requested X-men characters in rapid succession (Rogue, Gambit, Nightcrawler) and had an X-men themed logo/event (initial Apocalypse event). I believe they even said something about the triumphant return of X-men. Its also well documented one of the top Disney executives went out of his way to not do fox movie properties in any form if avoidable. Hence the cancellation of and now re-release of The Fantastic 4. As I said to both Dormammu and Dragon_Nexus, the dates don't add up, and all evidence points to the Fox/Disney X-Men/F4 marketing/merchandising thing having absolutely nothing to do with Marvel Puzzle Quest. Otherwise we would have never gotten the X-Men/F4 characters we had before the long gap without any X-Men. (and again, Spidey characters had a very similar gap, and have made a similar return in regards to characters/events).
Brigby said:Hi Everyone,The X-Men are back, and who better to lead the charge than the power-draining, southern belle, Rogue!Check out 4-Star Rogue here: Rogue (Classic)
JHawkInc said:The "X-Men/F4 Ban", the thing with Marvel downplaying them (presumably) because they didn't own the movie rights, started several years before MPQ even came out. As early as 2011.IF the ban, which started years before MPQ came out, were affecting MPQ, why did it start doing so 2+ years into the game's life, and some 6 years into the ban's life? We got three Storms, four Wolverines, two Magneto, two Daken, two Cyclops, two Deadpool, two Jean Grey, Juggernaut, Psylocke, Beast, Colossus, Mystique, Professor X, Iceman, and X-23. And Quicksilver/ScarletWitch, but we'll count them as Avengers since they came out near their MCU debut. But, since we're talking about the X-Men/F4 Ban, we'll add two Human Torch, one Doom, one IW, one MrF, one Thing, and the Silver Surfer.So the ban exists for years, MPQ comes out, and then MPQ releases 32 characters that should have been banned, three of them as the first 5*s in a whole brand new tier of play. And it makes sense that THEN they would suddenly decide to follow the ban that has existed for six or so years at this point?The X-Men drought in MPQ came and then left because of the players. People complained about the amount of X-Men, and X-Men kept coming out, because these things are planned months in advance, and they can't just not release characters that were already in the works. Then we got a drought, it went on for a while, and people started commenting on when they were going to come back. People commented for months. So then let's say they're ready to bring them back, it's time to plan for 2017, a chunk of the year is full of MCU tie-ins. Three Guardians releases, four for the summer of Spidey, and the rest, Daredevil/Fist for Netflix, Yondu/5Panther for DVD releases, Lockjaw for the Inhumans show, Agent Coulson for AoS, that has 7 months accounted for already, with only two other releases (Mockingbird and Cloak & Dagger).So you can't bring back X-Men during all of that mess, because those spots are accounted for already. So you do them after. You know what was immediately after all that mess? MPQ's Anniversary. So "wait until Anniversary and make a big to-do about bringing back the X-Men" practically writes itself. Plenty of time to build up hype (like the small forum comments that told us something was in the works) and to plan things to go alongside the characters (like Apocalypse and Shield Training).Which makes more sense? That MPQ decided to start following the X-Men/F4 Ban 2 years into the game's lifespan, 6 years after the ban started across other merchandise, and after 32 "banned" characters have already been released, or that the numerous back to back releases (Iceman, Cyclops, X-23, OML, Phoenix) and domination of a new tier of play (2/3rds of the new 5*s were X-Men) for a group of characters that made up over 1/3rd of all released characters (32/86 at the time) lead to over-saturation, and people complained, so the devs listened and they were gone.And then, all of the excitement over the return of the X-Men, is that more likely because of the end of a ban that no one anywhere is officially acknowledging, or because 7 months of releases were accounted for due to the MCU and it was perfect marketing to bring back a desired group of characters (starting with multiple highly requested fan favorites) as part of an anniversary celebration?The reality is that all of the facts point towards X-Men going away because people complained, coming back because people complained, and coming back when and how they did to drum up excitement, all of which were the devs responding to the players and trying to improve the game.
bluewolf said: There were plenty of Spider-characters released in the middle of the drought, so I'm not sure they ever tried to hold back on things that Sony had more control over, movie-wise.
JHawkInc said:(and then there's the whole Spidey drought that happened in the middle of all this, with evidence that it started for the same reasons, that went on almost as long, and likely only ended early due to Spider-Man: Homecoming, and he was immune to the X-Men/F4 Ban across other merchandise, so if the Ban is responsible for the X-Men drought, it leaves the Spidey drought completely unexplained; whereas my explanation covers both droughts)
Quebbster said:I would expect Cyclops to feed Archangel, Cable (unlikely as long as he is in Latest) or Gambit before Kitty though.
broll said: JHawkInc said: broll said: tiomono said: So yeah they are not really promoting xmen movies, but they are still doing comic versions of the characters. When I quoted someone saying "now we can get new xmen characters" I was pointing out we have always had xmen characters. And were continuing to get them even with the movie studio shenanegins. There was a long period of time were X-men characters were definitely not being released. They even more or less confirmed it when shortly before the announcement of the Disney buyout of Fox they released several highly requested X-men characters in rapid succession (Rogue, Gambit, Nightcrawler) and had an X-men themed logo/event (initial Apocalypse event). I believe they even said something about the triumphant return of X-men. Its also well documented one of the top Disney executives went out of his way to not do fox movie properties in any form if avoidable. Hence the cancellation of and now re-release of The Fantastic 4. As I said to both Dormammu and Dragon_Nexus, the dates don't add up, and all evidence points to the Fox/Disney X-Men/F4 marketing/merchandising thing having absolutely nothing to do with Marvel Puzzle Quest. Otherwise we would have never gotten the X-Men/F4 characters we had before the long gap without any X-Men. (and again, Spidey characters had a very similar gap, and have made a similar return in regards to characters/events). My suspicion is they didn't decide to stop not promoting yet or that while they were doing it with in-house at Marvel properties they didn't force it onto 3rd party developers until later. Your argument is flimsy at best. There were years of clear drought.Let's look at the drought period.Last Fantastic 4 character before drought - Silver Surfer - 9/4/15Last X-Men character before drought - Phoenix - 11/2/15Last Spider-Man character before drought - Green Goblin - 2/8/16First character to break the drought Rouge - 9/28/17 As I noted early it is mentioned in her release post that they returned (which would indicate they were gone for a period): Brigby said:Hi Everyone,The X-Men are back, and who better to lead the charge than the power-draining, southern belle, Rogue!Check out 4-Star Rogue here: Rogue (Classic)Source: https://forums.d3go.com/discussion/67849/mpq-at-marvel-com-rogue-classic-9-27-17 (Bold and large texted added for emphasis) and her release included an X-Men themed screen. Also immediately after here were Gambit, Nightcrawler, and the first run of the Apocalypse boss event.NOTE: Spider-Man Peter Parker came out between this window on 7/6/17, but that was clearly post the Sony deal as he was clearly a promotion for Spider-Man: Homecoming from a joint Marvel Studios & Sony deal/ It's also unclear to me if the ban was only against Fox properties specifically or all non-Marvel Studios characters. I'm not aware of Spider-Man getting as much of a snub as X-Men and Fantastic 4 did (someone correct me if I'm wrong here).Anyway based on that the drought period was either:12/2/15 (Phoenix Release) - 9/28/17 (Rouge) a 55 character drought - Just shy of 2 yearsor2/18/16 (Green Goblin) - 9/28/17 (Rouge) a 47 character drought - 1.5 years (This would only be the accurate one if Sony properties were also part of the ban which as I mentioned i'm not sure of).So are you suggesting that it's just a coincidence that:No characters form some of Marvels popular properties (that they didn't happen to have movie rights to at the time) were released for 1.5 - ~2 years or 47-55 characters releasesWhen they do add one they clearly say "The X-Men are back".