OJSP said: Daredevil217 said:The color doesn’t matter as much as the length of the stun vs. AP cost. Gam/Bobby will knock you out quickly due to the cheap cost and for a decent length of time. That's why I asked what you like about Gamora or Iceman. I like the old Ock; 3 turn stun for 10 AP was a decent alternative to Gamora or Iceman.PS. Spidey stuns when there are 4 or more web tiles. His stun is more like a 12 AP AoE 2 turn stun.
Daredevil217 said:The color doesn’t matter as much as the length of the stun vs. AP cost. Gam/Bobby will knock you out quickly due to the cheap cost and for a decent length of time.
OJSP said: Daredevil217 said:I know people say there’s not much more you can add to the meta before it’s “one turn and done”, but many of the great 4* character mechanics could shake up the 5* meta if we had 5* versions. A 5* Rogue yellow power would be THE defensive character in the 5 tier. A 5* Chavez green dropping crits easily would get played. A 5* Grocket yellow would obviously get play with Kitty. A 5* version of Carol’s green doing passive AOE damage for making matches would make bringing half health Thor a risky propositionI don’t know how much a Vulture like battery would get played as we already have one in Thor. But we could still use a Purple/Black/Blue battery. Just saying there’s still room for growth in the tier and the ability to make good, useful characters that don’t just sit on the bench unless essential. And they don’t even have to reinvent the wheel. Just tweak what has worked in then 4* tier. Kitty for example is a souped up version of Nico. I’m hoping that 5* version of a cheap/long stun comes soon so Matt can carve out more of a niche, because he’s really fun to play! Well, arguably, the 4*s you mentioned already do that. A lot of players have them leveled high enough, so when they are boosted, their powers become stronger than the 5*s. They have less match damage, but that sometimes work in their favour because they could hide behind the 5*. Some players even play the majority of their events with their boosted 4*s before changing to their 5*s.Keep working on your 4*s. Lvl 479 Vulture is one of the most obnoxious opponent I ever faced, seconded by Gamora. But, that's what makes the events interesting.I know people don't like using a combination of 4*/5* or even 3*/5* because of various reasons, but some of the faster teams consist of a mix of characters from different tiers.I have no objections if they release 5* characters similar to the 4*s you mentioned, but there's no reason to wait until they are released to have fun with what we already have now.
Daredevil217 said:I know people say there’s not much more you can add to the meta before it’s “one turn and done”, but many of the great 4* character mechanics could shake up the 5* meta if we had 5* versions. A 5* Rogue yellow power would be THE defensive character in the 5 tier. A 5* Chavez green dropping crits easily would get played. A 5* Grocket yellow would obviously get play with Kitty. A 5* version of Carol’s green doing passive AOE damage for making matches would make bringing half health Thor a risky propositionI don’t know how much a Vulture like battery would get played as we already have one in Thor. But we could still use a Purple/Black/Blue battery. Just saying there’s still room for growth in the tier and the ability to make good, useful characters that don’t just sit on the bench unless essential. And they don’t even have to reinvent the wheel. Just tweak what has worked in then 4* tier. Kitty for example is a souped up version of Nico. I’m hoping that 5* version of a cheap/long stun comes soon so Matt can carve out more of a niche, because he’s really fun to play!
OJSP said: Daredevil217 said: This is helpful. Rather than build up the best 4s, I went the route of bringing everyone up evenly, so my characters are all around 280-320. So 370 is likely years away for this guy. It would be nice to have 5* versions of those powers that you can play all the time and not just when the 4* is boosted. But it’s good to know there’s a light at the end of the tunnel. That's probably similar to what I've been doing too, with a couple of exceptions (Rulk and BP, for different reasons). I don't think I've focused on leveling any character in particular. The covers just come from tokens and event rewards.Believe it or not, our roster building strategy is not too different. I just happened to start or got to that stage earlier. There was a time when my 4*s were between 280-320 too. Whenever I had good 4*s boosted to above 390, I would practice beating 5* teams with them. It was really interesting (read: tough) when Gambit was everywhere, but now it's not so bad. Kitty is tough too, but somehow more managable (probably because my 4*s are bigger now). Due to how MMR works, I could climb with my 4*s without getting hit by 5* teams until I get to the point where I want to shield and shield hop.I used 479 as an example, because most people I see only use their 4*s instead of their 5* when they are at 370 or close to it. But, there's really no reason not to use them sooner, as long as they can beat the opponents we're matched against. Those lvl 320 4*s will be boosted to around 420 and they should comfortably beat 5* teams. If we get hit, we'll be hit by other 4* teams or retals. It is actually a problem having a boosted 4* more than lvl 435 because they count as a 5* for MMR purposes. I'm not denying that having a 5* with those 4* powers would act more as a deterrent, but getting that 5* fully covered/championed takes time too. In your case, it might indeed be quicker to get the new 5* before the 4* gets to 370, whenever that is. But, I think it's slightly an oversight to think that once we enter the 5* tier the 4*s become useless. Of course, as we get more 5*s and they gain more levels, the 4*s would see less playtime, but that's the problem with all tiers and having so many characters anyway.
Daredevil217 said: This is helpful. Rather than build up the best 4s, I went the route of bringing everyone up evenly, so my characters are all around 280-320. So 370 is likely years away for this guy. It would be nice to have 5* versions of those powers that you can play all the time and not just when the 4* is boosted. But it’s good to know there’s a light at the end of the tunnel.
Wonko33 said: I see the expression "being a 5 star player" as been matched with 5* opponents only in PvP, not if you are using some 5 * in PvE
Daredevil217 said: So one thing I really liked about the 4* tier was having a “new toy” to play with every couple weeks. I’ve pretty much played all my 5* champs to death in a variety of combos, and am ready for some new additions! Weirdly my favorite characters in terms of fun are the non-metas, Daredevil and Cable. I don’t like playing the Thorkoye game (but do play them to blast out mindless wins). And I don’t play Gritty hardly ever because they’re too pack intensive (except in Sim where Daredevil can tank). I’m anticipating Doom getting a TON of play if I am able to champ him based on how I like to grind out wins, coupled with his healing mechanics (C5rol likely will ride the bench). Unfortunately, Endgame is a ways out. And with most my excess iso going into leveling/champing new 4s (that I only use in PVE essential nodes), I’m definitely feeling the burden of not having a “new toy” for months. I do have three ready to champ today in Goblin, RRGR and Angel. I feel Goblin will be the most fun (and is one of my favorite villains) whereas Angel will be a nice counter to Danvers. I could really really use some double iso goodness to give me more characters options to play around with. Until then, it’s just the same combos I’ve been using.
tiomono said: Daredevil217 said: So one thing I really liked about the 4* tier was having a “new toy” to play with every couple weeks. I’ve pretty much played all my 5* champs to death in a variety of combos, and am ready for some new additions! Weirdly my favorite characters in terms of fun are the non-metas, Daredevil and Cable. I don’t like playing the Thorkoye game (but do play them to blast out mindless wins). And I don’t play Gritty hardly ever because they’re too pack intensive (except in Sim where Daredevil can tank). I’m anticipating Doom getting a TON of play if I am able to champ him based on how I like to grind out wins, coupled with his healing mechanics (C5rol likely will ride the bench). Unfortunately, Endgame is a ways out. And with most my excess iso going into leveling/champing new 4s (that I only use in PVE essential nodes), I’m definitely feeling the burden of not having a “new toy” for months. I do have three ready to champ today in Goblin, RRGR and Angel. I feel Goblin will be the most fun (and is one of my favorite villains) whereas Angel will be a nice counter to Danvers. I could really really use some double iso goodness to give me more characters options to play around with. Until then, it’s just the same combos I’ve been using. I still regularly try out new teams with a single 5 in both story and versus. For me it still depends on the boost list of 4's.Daredevil is still my favorite 5. Currently I have devil, kitty, black suit, banner, and bolt. I'm one cover away on archangel so he is my bonus right now in case people take to using carol. I love having hard counters ready.
OJSP said: Ghost Rider is not meh. He tanks for Thor at the same level and his black is a strong nuke for all the AP that Okoye collects.He's pretty versatile. With your other 5*s, he would work quite nicely with DD. His green can deal more damage on a good board and he provides another stun for DD with his red. A stunned enemy wouldn't survive the damage from 3 repeater tiles and the cascades.
BlackBoltRocks said: WARNING: LONG POST AHEADI have to agree with both Daredevil and OJSP (not everything, of course, just bits and pieces). Just to give my unsolicited opinions (I'm taking a break in between assignments, and I enjoy character debates):First, addressing what DD said. Yes, you can say that Ghosty has "unfortunate colours". But I could argue that the same can be said of literally any other 5*. Even in the standard Thor/Jess/Okoye trio, they conflict on Red (all three) and Yellow (Thor and Okoye), and have no 5* match damage on Purple. Sub in Doom for Jessica? Then they conflict on Yellow (all three), and still not 5* match damage in Purple. Due to the number of 5* and their colour combinations, there are bound to be clashes here and there. It does depends on who you team up with whoever else. I admit I have a champed Strange; he and Ghosty have perfect active coverage, so I may not feel the clash as much. But it still holds true.Ghosty's Red is definitely the throwaway one. There are just much better Red users in the tier. Still, if a player has a lack of Red users, or if Ghosty is their only champ 5* with Red (looking at you RoadWarror mi amigo heehee), his Red isn't the worst. Heck, I'd prefer Ghosty's Red to Carol's Red; at least it gives you a guaranteed 1-turn Stun. And it shines against bosses that make matches, and/or if there's only one opponent left.Gobby plays somewhat differently to Ghosty, so I don't think it would be fair or accurate to say one is better than the other. What I will say is that they make a great pair: Goblin fortifies both of their Countdowns and Repeaters, and you have a choice of two great Black nukes. Those two are only missing a Blue user, which might or might not be important.As for OJSP: yes, a huge draw of Ghosty is that he tanks very well for Thor. There have been PvPs where Thor has had pitiful health remaining, yet I happily continued to use him because Ghosty tanked everything for him bar Yellow. And yea, I agree that if all a player cares about is the meta, then they shouldn't bother about anyone else besides Thor/Okoye/Jessica. And maybe Kitty and Thanos. Don't be like me, a bugger currently trying to complete Cable before he leaves; really wants a champed God Doom; and wouldn't mind having a champed Fatpin.I also agree that Ghosty is quite versatile. Like Jessica, any of the 5-5-3 builds is viable with him, depending on opponents and teammates. I do disagree that Goblin is more meh than Ghosty though; as said above, both play somewhat differently. Ghosty's Black nuke is more reliable but costs more, and besides, Goblin can fortify the countdown. Ghosty's Green is meant for boardshake, AP gain, and solid damage, but is its own drawback because eventually the board will be dry of basic R/G/B tiles. Goblin's Purple is meant for its bag of tricks, but seriously, players will only use Red. And Goblin's Yellow is a great support ability, albeit it sucks if you want your countdowns to last longer. Ghosty's Red...i've already mentioned it.
Daredevil217 said: I’m right there with you in terms of wanting a varied roster. Doom might be my most anticipated character since Daredevil. Just because I love the character so much. I will find ways to make him work! And if you ever check out the latest fun teams thread, I’ve played Cable a ton.And do people only use Red for Goblin bombs because it is that good, or because his other options suck? AP steal and stun seem like they could be good. I’m curious does the stun hit the same enemy or will it get the whole team if all the bombs go off.
Below the Daredevils and Black Bolts and Dooms.
ThaRoadWarrior said: dont worry guys, one of these years i'll champ a second 5*...
Daredevil217 said: So I am currently up to 282 pulls. I’ve worked to level my characters as evenly as possible and the payoff is the tide is rising on my 3*/4* champs where they’re kicking out better and better rewards each week. So my goal of 350 pulls for Endgame is starting to look like a real likelihood. I finally hit my 1.7 million iso goal as well and am slowing building up extra “spending money”. Most will go towards 4* as I get covers for Magik and Talos, but assuming I get past those blocks, I’m curious who to champ next. All the following are level 330 and it costs 405k to finish them. So I can try and champ one at a time or bring them up collectively. Max-covered:Archangel- Hard counter for CarolGreen Goblin - The most fun/interesting characterGhost Rider- Meh...Not maxed:Loki (4/5/3)- 4 bonus Hulks away from maxed. Nice purple nuke (I’m lacking)Panther (2/5/5)- Won’t be champed until I get a resupply black on August 7. But could do Panthos. IW Captain America (2/5/5), Gambit (2/4/5)- Also options?