Huntah86 said: It doesn't take 5 years to max champ a 3*. I've been playing for just under 3 years and right now I've max champed every 3* and already have a dupe for every 3* at level 200 or higher. I've actually already max champed a few dupes even. It's easier now more so than ever to make huge progress on 3* pretty easily. i'm a T50 player at SCL9 so every time a 3* is featured in PVE that will net me at least (7) of that 3* (3 from rewards, 1 from alliance rewards and at least 3 from progression). Then every time they're featured for PVP that's another (5) covers at least for me (I'm typically at least T25 so 3 from rewards, 1 from alliance and 1 from progression). That piles up FAST!What I personally did was selling 3* covers until I had almost all my 4* champed and then I slowly started selling max champs to rechamp new covers (I only kept max 3* that were used for lightning rounds). Right now I almost always sit at around 1 mill ISO and only ever use it to rechamp 2*, champ new 4* or champ 5* once covered.
Dragon_Nexus said: I dread hitting my first maxed 4* and then getting another cover for that character.
AardvarkPepper said: So the OP got to the point that they have maxed 3*s, then they want to earn dupli-rewards on maxed 3* without using another roster slot? Because they're short on iso that they want to use because they're pushing the 4*-5* transition?I mean come on now. I hear what the OP is saying, but the OP saw this coming, right?I'm not trying to dismiss the OP's perceived conundrum. But the fact is, there *is* an endpoint. I think it takes something on the order of 6 million iso to dupli-farm a full set of 3*s (mind there's significant HP costs too). Dupli-farming 3*s means you can keep your original maxed 3* AND get rewards off the second 3* you're raising."b-but iso"Look, the way I see it, when you're a new player you have iso coming out your ears and you get in this mentality that you might as well spend iso. But as a veteran player, you should know you're going to run into an iso shortage when you're championing your 4*s, and then again when you start pushing your 5* levels. I mean, you should REALLY know it as a veteran. So when that happens, instead of pushing iso into everyone, you should probably NOT spend iso to level all your 4*s - you just level a 4* if you use it all the time, or for Deadpool Daily Crash of the Titans or for SHIELD training but generally you really skimp on spending iso unless you really really really need to.And if you didn't do that and you haven't been doing it, tough. Just like how you want on the order of 500 legendary tokens to push into fully covered 5* transition, playing optimally, REALLY optimally, requires advance planning, and even if you already know about stockpiling legendary tokens to make the 5* transition with three fully covered 5*s, well there's other stuff like best iso spending practices. It is what it is. If you didn't know all the tricks, well now you know one more.And if you don't have the infrastructure at this point to earn optimal rewards? Maybe you spent your HP on character packages or vault pulls and spent your ISO on just leveling whoever? Well then you can sell off your excess 3*s for iso instead of leveling, championing, then earning rewards, because you don't have the infrastructure to earn optimal rewards. Or you can bite the bullet sell off your maxed 3* and re-roster and not be able to use that maxed 3*. Or you can use a roster slot to roster a duplicate 3* then sell off your maxed once your duplicate is championed. Whatever. That's just what you have to do, so buck up and do it. Just like how if some new player blew all their legendary tokens and ended up having to sell off a lot of 4*s and 5*s they couldn't afford to roster, you have to do the sub-optimal thing because you don't have the infrastructure to do everything you want; you don't have the HP, you don't have the iso, whatever it is, if you don't have it, you have to make do without or buy it with real money. Up to you.
TheBaku said: AardvarkPepper said: So the OP got to the point that they have maxed 3*s, then they want to earn dupli-rewards on maxed 3* without using another roster slot? Because they're short on iso that they want to use because they're pushing the 4*-5* transition?I mean come on now. I hear what the OP is saying, but the OP saw this coming, right?I'm not trying to dismiss the OP's perceived conundrum. But the fact is, there *is* an endpoint. I think it takes something on the order of 6 million iso to dupli-farm a full set of 3*s (mind there's significant HP costs too). Dupli-farming 3*s means you can keep your original maxed 3* AND get rewards off the second 3* you're raising."b-but iso"Look, the way I see it, when you're a new player you have iso coming out your ears and you get in this mentality that you might as well spend iso. But as a veteran player, you should know you're going to run into an iso shortage when you're championing your 4*s, and then again when you start pushing your 5* levels. I mean, you should REALLY know it as a veteran. So when that happens, instead of pushing iso into everyone, you should probably NOT spend iso to level all your 4*s - you just level a 4* if you use it all the time, or for Deadpool Daily Crash of the Titans or for SHIELD training but generally you really skimp on spending iso unless you really really really need to.And if you didn't do that and you haven't been doing it, tough. Just like how you want on the order of 500 legendary tokens to push into fully covered 5* transition, playing optimally, REALLY optimally, requires advance planning, and even if you already know about stockpiling legendary tokens to make the 5* transition with three fully covered 5*s, well there's other stuff like best iso spending practices. It is what it is. If you didn't know all the tricks, well now you know one more.And if you don't have the infrastructure at this point to earn optimal rewards? Maybe you spent your HP on character packages or vault pulls and spent your ISO on just leveling whoever? Well then you can sell off your excess 3*s for iso instead of leveling, championing, then earning rewards, because you don't have the infrastructure to earn optimal rewards. Or you can bite the bullet sell off your maxed 3* and re-roster and not be able to use that maxed 3*. Or you can use a roster slot to roster a duplicate 3* then sell off your maxed once your duplicate is championed. Whatever. That's just what you have to do, so buck up and do it. Just like how if some new player blew all their legendary tokens and ended up having to sell off a lot of 4*s and 5*s they couldn't afford to roster, you have to do the sub-optimal thing because you don't have the infrastructure to do everything you want; you don't have the HP, you don't have the iso, whatever it is, if you don't have it, you have to make do without or buy it with real money. Up to you. Dude... I'm OP... Just so I'm clear on your point... I should have skimped on spending ISO on 4 & 5 stars, so that I have it to re-roster and champ the 3* tier?He didn't say skip entirely, but picking and choosing which 4s to invest in versus dupe 3s.I'm truly and genuinely surprised how many people are okay with the status quo on this. I really don't like wasting 1000hp on a roster slot of a character I'll literally never use, since I already have a max champ.I doubt it's a waste. If it were, you wouldn't do it. And it's not a waste because you are getting ample resources from what you put in to that roster slot.I really don't like diverting ISO from 4 & 5 star characters so that I can get my duplicate 3* into reward producing territory.You don't have to do that though. You could just sell the 3* covers and focus exclusively on 4/5*. My buddy doesn't like constantly selling off 4* characters when he gets an insane amount from Heroics and is still in the VERY early 3* transition. But he does it.I really don't like that my progression at this point is tied to me turning back the clock and retreading territory that I passed years ago.But you're not retreading. I doubt you had max-champed 3s with a champed dupes years ago. If you're in the 5* game, my understanding is EVERYTHING is about the rewards aside from your 2-3 best 5*. Whether farming a 2 or getting a couple champ levels on a 4, it's all about the rewards you get to fund your fives. Dupe 3s are no different.I understand that the current system provides an HP/ISO sink that pads the developers bottom line... but that's all it really is.Absolutely, and that's okay. Like I said earlier, the tension you feel is what causes people to spend. It's how the lights stay on.I'll go with it, and as I said literally one post before Aardvark weighed in, I'll treat it as a 120k ISO Latest Legend Token... but let's just call it what it is, a sh*tty mechanic... a pause button to slow overall progression.It actually speeds up progression. That's why we all do it. It slows you down now, sure, but ultimately pays off later and speeds progression overall if you work the system. I mean sure, I'd love to have all the champ rewards without paying for them all over again, but that's a big ask. Sidenote: I really love the forum goers who jump down my throat like I'm some irrational whiner seeking something for nothing... I'm a day 1873 player, and VIP since the system was introduced.. but also a Dad and have a full-time job, so I make progress where I can... and spending 230k to re-champ Marvel and Daken, along with the 13k HP for the other 3* dupe farms I've started the past few weeks doesn't feel like progress in the least. I proposed a solution that has apparently been suggested in the past ('prestige system'), and you'd think I asked for 30 Latest Legends Tokens for just logging in. Whoever first proposed the "Prestige" thing, great idea, would be as big a positive change as "saved covers". Either way... Love you guys! Fire away!I'm a 2 dollar a month player who chose to take on the arduous task of rostering and rechamping dupes of all 3*. I felt so good when I got the last one done and it definitely felt like progress! Using only myself as an example, if I woke up tomorrow to a "prestige" system the way I think you are explaining, then I could sell off all my max-champs as there would be no need for dupes- at least for farming purposes. In fact, it would be harmful to have them since I would not get prestige rewards. So, tomorrow this system is put in place, I would be logging in to just under 5 million iso, 23,500 HP and 47 empty roster slots, valued at 1K HP a piece. I think they'd rather give me 30 Latest Legends, lol.
Phumade said: I'm not so sure why this is an issue for you in your situation.Keep the 3* max champ.Yes you have to open a new roster slot for the baby dupe, but who says you have to champ him early? You can save every cover until you can insta max champ.At most your only out of pocket cost is buying the next slot. You don't have to add any levels to the baby champ until your ready and can afford the instachamp costs.
MaxPowers said: Are max 3* characters really such an advantage?If you have maxed your 3* roster, chances are you already haveone foot in the 5* door, and you are playing at higher clearance levels.In which case the benefit of maxed 3* characters mostly comes in the form of having a higher health pool.Once I starting maxing out my 3* characters I started flipping them immediately, and I don't regret it. It's given me the opportunity to max even more 4 and 5* characters which has proven more useful, and I don't really have to worry about roster slots.Additionally, if you are lucky enough to have covered Okoye, she should be able to assist the drop in 3* powers.
AardvarkPepper said:So just when will you get that iso surplus? Let's say you're carefully selecting three or four 5*s, seven or eight 4*s - and at your stage of development (maxed 3*s) you probably already *have* most of the utility championed 4*s. So that means you can already pretty well be saving iso and not putting it into 4*s, and probably that would be best practice.
TheBaku said: Re-rostering my 3*s and waiting for the decent rewards to come in may be 'optimal play'... But it's not fun. It doesn't move my 4* roster forward in any meaningful way. I'd rather spend 330k on finishing Quake and pairing her with my other 4* Champs than endlessly collect 3*s to 13 covers and then await champ rewards...
jamesh said: AardvarkPepper said:So just when will you get that iso surplus? Let's say you're carefully selecting three or four 5*s, seven or eight 4*s - and at your stage of development (maxed 3*s) you probably already *have* most of the utility championed 4*s. So that means you can already pretty well be saving iso and not putting it into 4*s, and probably that would be best practice. If you haven't broken into the 5* tier, then there is a competitive advantage to having more than eight championed 4* characters. Given the way versus match making works, having a pair of boosted 4* characters available every week gives a decent competitive advantage.Having the pair with the best synergy is better, but simply having two boosted characters is probably the biggest change. With five boosted 4*'s each week, this means you want at least 40% of all 4*'s champed.If you have 5* characters that happen to currently be top tier, then you might be able to skip this. But that can be fragile if the meta changes. If you skipped most of the 4* tier because you had Gambit, then his nerf would have hit quite hard.
AardvarkPepper said: roster.
roster.
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