So lost. Minimum of a PITY timer request.

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So ive opened 9 PP, 1 super pack, and all the guilds of ravnica rewards packs possible to accumulate. I got 2 lazavs. So dupes... (not going to talk about elite packs cause those are atleast a sure shot).  

Is there any point in going on? I feel completely deflated and depressed.  My desire to keep playing has just hit rock bottom. I dont understand what in the world have i been doing with my life? Grinding and grinding; waiting and waiting... for ravnica to drop and all that hard work resisting the urge to use my crystals for this? This feeling of complete emptiness. 

Now being perfectly honest here. I was really eyeballing that crystal sale and was having a hard time figuring out if i should drop the cash for those 3000 crystals - thats almost 10 PPs. I even went online put some googleplay giftcards into my basket. After sitting in my basket for about 2 hours while i cleared some dailies and did other real life things. I was constantly thinking, should i? Should i not? In the end I decided against it. ~80ish bucks for almost 10 PPs seemed pretty absurd considering there is no pity timer. My money felt more worthwhile on a guaranteed exclusive mythic i wanted. 

So here i am 9 PPs in and 2 dupe mythics of the same card.. thinking what am i doing with my life? I play this game for fun but getting in top5 all the time is not an easy task and certainly not a relaxing time commitment.. so all those bugs i avoided, all those SUPER greg cascades i came back from, all those hours building the best possible deck with the meta in mind, all those matches of gem board examining, all those sacrificed real life hours... was it really for 2 dupe mythics? 

And how in the world do i justify paying ~80ish dollars (sale) for another possible 10ish PPs for 2 dupe mythics? Am i missing something here? You might as well call this game MTGPQ casino. 

I feel so truly lost. I worked so hard in this game and even dropped cash on smart purchases. 2 years feels so suddenly wasted... like gambling addicts would feel i assume

And to those who went through this in prev. sets. I had heard the horror and now here i am. I never would have imagined the destructive capabilities this drop rate has on a persons psychology - my life feels meaningless, what am i going to do apply for a job with a resume of MTGPQ top scorer? Is there truly a point to keep going in this vicious cycle of abuse? Please convince me otherwise.. 

EDIT: not trying to be a drama queen or infuse negativity but man this is truly how i feel right now - just low. Sorry. 

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bobby_2613

Man, as much as I understand RNG sucks sometimes...  You need to step back and play for fun.  As any game should be.
It shouldn't feel like working.

GrizzoMtGPQ

They said a pity timer is coming with some quality of life improvements in a new build. Though when it comes is anyone's guess.

Is there a plan to introduce pity timers to help players who are statistically the unluckiest for card drop rates?

This is included in the quality of life changes that we are looking into, although we can't specify when it will be added.

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bobby_2613 said:

Man, as much as I understand RNG sucks sometimes...  You need to step back and play for fun.  As any game should be.
It shouldn't feel like working.

Yeah true. My blood sugar was quite low when i posted - a very h-angry sadness moment; and it didnt help that some real life things were bringing me down. But now that ive eaten and thought about it - it is just a game.

Its just so depressing when you go into monk mode and save for an extended period of time and then get face slapped by RNG for all your effort - esp when part of the fun is getting those new cards to play around with. 

And i guess technically, 2 mythics is 9 packs is only marginally worse than having a pity timer at the 4th pack. And then if you factor in orbs i guess its a relatively okay pity timer (though those 9 PP only netted maybe 1.25-1.5 mythic crafts as the packs were seriously quite terrible even with the bonus crafting orbs). Depite this, its really hard to think in those terms when cracking packs. 

I would change my original post but i think its worth leaving as is regardless of the internet being a scary place in addition to the embarrassment associated. You learn and move on - oh well. 

Theros

At leat you got 2 mythic even if  dupes. Compared to other I know that spent on PP, you did pretty well. You could have gotten 0 mythic and all guaranteed rares only. Some will say you should be grateful, some will feel your pain and some find it normal because it's the "mtg way of life ". This is our community and don't be surprised if many won't support the idea of a pity timer because it ain't mtg worthy

Theros

You can't be mad if you stay F2P. But that's my philosophy. I would spend only if I'm getting a good deal, in both short and long term. This is why I rather spend in PWS/exclusives

bobby_2613

I do feel for you Jim.  It must have happened to all of us.  It's even worse when all your coalition mates get all the cool stuff and you... well nothing. 

I remember when I bought a box of 4th edition of paper magic.  I wanted those cool cards: Sengir Vampire and Royal Assassin...  Got neither...  Felt pretty bad even if we had a rare / pack.  Never trusted RNG since then... lol

Elektrophorus

jimpark said:

So ive opened 9 PP, 1 super pack, and all the guilds of ravnica rewards packs possible to accumulate. I got 2 lazavs. So dupes... (not going to talk about elite packs cause those are atleast a sure shot).  

Is there any point in going on? I feel completely deflated and depressed.  My desire to keep playing has just hit rock bottom. I dont understand what in the world have i been doing with my life? Grinding and grinding; waiting and waiting... for ravnica to drop and all that hard work resisting the urge to use my crystals for this? This feeling of complete emptiness. 

[...] all those sacrificed real life hours... was it really for 2 dupe mythics? [...]

I feel so truly lost. I worked so hard in this game and even dropped cash on smart purchases. 2 years feels so suddenly wasted... like gambling addicts would feel i assume

And to those who went through this in prev. sets. I had heard the horror and now here i am. I never would have imagined the destructive capabilities this drop rate has on a persons psychology - my life feels meaningless, what am i going to do apply for a job with a resume of MTGPQ top scorer? Is there truly a point to keep going in this vicious cycle of abuse? Please convince me otherwise.. 

EDIT: not trying to be a drama queen or infuse negativity but man this is truly how i feel right now - just low. Sorry. 

You need to quit the game immediately and seek a psychiatrist.

If you cannot understand that this is literally a game, and you are serious about your feelings now, you need to seek help. I am saying this out of kindness.

Three things:

• We are not qualified to help you. There is no right answer to what you have posed here, partially because of how everything is phrased, and partially because I don't think you want an answer.
  
• A game is not worth playing if it causes you to suffer from depressive symptoms.
• Even if you are not actually experiencing these symptoms, you should still speak with a qualified specialist just for feeling the need to create this post.

Gilgalad

Elektrophorus said:

jimpark said:

So ive opened 9 PP, 1 super pack, and all the guilds of ravnica rewards packs possible to accumulate. I got 2 lazavs. So dupes... (not going to talk about elite packs cause those are atleast a sure shot).  

Is there any point in going on? I feel completely deflated and depressed.  My desire to keep playing has just hit rock bottom. I dont understand what in the world have i been doing with my life? Grinding and grinding; waiting and waiting... for ravnica to drop and all that hard work resisting the urge to use my crystals for this? This feeling of complete emptiness. 

[...] all those sacrificed real life hours... was it really for 2 dupe mythics? [...]

I feel so truly lost. I worked so hard in this game and even dropped cash on smart purchases. 2 years feels so suddenly wasted... like gambling addicts would feel i assume

And to those who went through this in prev. sets. I had heard the horror and now here i am. I never would have imagined the destructive capabilities this drop rate has on a persons psychology - my life feels meaningless, what am i going to do apply for a job with a resume of MTGPQ top scorer? Is there truly a point to keep going in this vicious cycle of abuse? Please convince me otherwise.. 

EDIT: not trying to be a drama queen or infuse negativity but man this is truly how i feel right now - just low. Sorry. 

You need to quit the game immediately and seek a psychiatrist.

If you cannot understand that this is literally a game, and you are serious about your feelings now, you need to seek help. I am saying this out of kindness.

Three things:

• We are not qualified to help you. There is no right answer to what you have posed here, partially because of how everything is phrased, and partially because I don't think you want an answer.
  
• A game is not worth playing if it causes you to suffer from depressive symptoms.
• Even if you are not actually experiencing these symptoms, you should still speak with a qualified specialist just for feeling the need to create this post.

I totally agree with this comment.

We understand your frustration because we probably had bad luck in this, and other games that depend on RNG.

But like some people say, most of times just to mock, "its just a game". Because, a game should be something to have fun, and enjoy on your free time as a hobby, not something to bring you down emotionally.

I dont know you, but I can see that If this game is having this kind of impact in you, its probably because its reflecting something missing in your life. I think you should really consider to speak to someone trustworthy, or a professional like psychologist or psychiatrist, if you see that need one.

I hope you be fine!

__Adam

I had 5k crystals saved up and got 0 mythics from packs.  That's like $150 'value' and I got NOTHING? Yeah, let me get my wallet out...

I now play Gems of War and will just f2p/casual MtGPQ until they get a clue.

Kinesia

I hadn't read this before writing what I did in another post...

This game can help, it can become emotional exercise for self-management.

I'd say definitely go F2P while you readjust your own aims.

Talk to friends before a professional, people jump to that step too fast. But even just starting to track your feelings over time in a diary can help, you can identify things like hangry yourself which some can't, so that helps a lot, you can readjust stuff in your head over time because you can see that initial emotions aren't always the final real ones.


It is EXTREMELY common for all of us to attach our feelings to the most obvious external recent source when, in reality, they are an upwelling of things that have built up underneath over time from multiple sources and are NOT necessarily related at all.
The whole "have a bad day at work and come home and kick the dog" thing is real but that's just an obvious example of the even more common "have a few generally bad months with no one specific thing really wrong, just a background unsettling feeling that you are in an alternate reality or something and then you explode at someone saying 'hi'".
The trigger is pretty meaningless, it isn't even part of the problem. It might be a problem, sure, but it's not _the_ problem.

We can do most of the work to help ourselves ourselves, the professionals largely help guide us in doing it anyway.

The important parts are being _really_ honest with ourselves (which most of us are not, we have many illusions) and knowing that the way things are now is NOT the way they need to stay. Even with exactly the same circumstances our lives can all be better by _us_ changing the way we think.

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GrizzoMtGPQ said:

They said a pity timer is coming with some quality of life improvements in a new build. Though when it comes is anyone's guess.

Is there a plan to introduce pity timers to help players who are statistically the unluckiest for card drop rates?

This is included in the quality of life changes that we are looking into, although we can't specify when it will be added.

Thank you for this. I don't check the Q&A so much, as it usually contains a lot of spin with it; thus, was completely unaware.

[Deleted User]

bobby_2613 said:

I do feel for you Jim.  It must have happened to all of us.  It's even worse when all your coalition mates get all the cool stuff and you... well nothing. 

I remember when I bought a box of 4th edition of paper magic.  I wanted those cool cards: Sengir Vampire and Royal Assassin...  Got neither...  Felt pretty bad even if we had a rare / pack.  Never trusted RNG since then... lol

Your empathy is most appreciated. And yes, when others keeping pulling them great cards and your left with rare dupes your mind cant help but wandering into unwanted emotional territory.

[Deleted User]

Elektrophorus said:

jimpark said:

So ive opened 9 PP, 1 super pack, and all the guilds of ravnica rewards packs possible to accumulate. I got 2 lazavs. So dupes... (not going to talk about elite packs cause those are atleast a sure shot).  

Is there any point in going on? I feel completely deflated and depressed.  My desire to keep playing has just hit rock bottom. I dont understand what in the world have i been doing with my life? Grinding and grinding; waiting and waiting... for ravnica to drop and all that hard work resisting the urge to use my crystals for this? This feeling of complete emptiness. 

[...] all those sacrificed real life hours... was it really for 2 dupe mythics? [...]

I feel so truly lost. I worked so hard in this game and even dropped cash on smart purchases. 2 years feels so suddenly wasted... like gambling addicts would feel i assume

And to those who went through this in prev. sets. I had heard the horror and now here i am. I never would have imagined the destructive capabilities this drop rate has on a persons psychology - my life feels meaningless, what am i going to do apply for a job with a resume of MTGPQ top scorer? Is there truly a point to keep going in this vicious cycle of abuse? Please convince me otherwise.. 

EDIT: not trying to be a drama queen or infuse negativity but man this is truly how i feel right now - just low. Sorry. 

You need to quit the game immediately and seek a psychiatrist.

If you cannot understand that this is literally a game, and you are serious about your feelings now, you need to seek help. I am saying this out of kindness.

Three things:

• We are not qualified to help you. There is no right answer to what you have posed here, partially because of how everything is phrased, and partially because I don't think you want an answer.
  
• A game is not worth playing if it causes you to suffer from depressive symptoms.
• Even if you are not actually experiencing these symptoms, you should still speak with a qualified specialist just for feeling the need to create this post.

First of all, I want to thank you, as I genuinely feel you were concerned and speaking in my best interest. Although, the wording, at initial glance, felt a tiny bit strong; there was good reason for it to be. As you have pointed out, there were clear warning signs of psychological distraught at the time of my original post. You are a good person,  so once again, thank you.

Now you are correct, I don't believe I was looking for an answer, let alone a solution - it was a rash, emotionally charged rant, which was worded with dangerous terms. And I still won't deny that, that was how I felt at the time - short-lived but true.

However, I would like to clarify just a few things:

Situational background:

I am not in need of psychiatric help though I appreciate your suggestion, truly. To explain the situation, it was just terrible timing and circumstances. As I mentioned, I was extremely hungry and very, very tired, which personally for me are two huge triggers that sway my emotions. And it was short lived, 30 minutes max duration, a gradual decrease over the next 30 minutes (it took me 30 minutes to cook), and then a complete to near complete dissipation shortly after getting some food in me. Still a very bad taste in my mouth from the whole ordeal though... Of course, after this point, I had that looming regret of posting such a controversial post..  but, I am sure we have all had those moments. Therefore, it was a rash, emotionally-charged, spur of the moment thing.. I should have taken some deep breathes, eaten first, and then thought the situation through a bit more.

In addition to this, I was having a bad day, more so than usual, and made the huge mistake of trying to feel a little better by opening some packs in a game I appreciated - kinda of like an instant gratification fix. Worst. Idea. ever.

Personality type:

Also, for some background, my personality is more of a mix of realistic/cynical than optimistic in addition to being more research/analytical/critical oriented, with the the critical part being more of a very hard on myself, self critical oriented. As a result, my personality is more likely to gear towards less "optimistic" viewpoints. Of course, this is not to say I am not capable - I am certainly capable of genuine optimism as well as the "this is not a socially acceptable emotion to express fake smile" optimism. I am sure people can relate. Nevertheless, I am always working towards bettering myself and incorporating more optimism - definitely not easy, but doable.

MTGPQ factors:

Furthermore, I believe the emotions were significantly more profound due other stacking factors before the trigger went off.

One was the most recent Elite Collection pack misinformation/confusion ordeal - it's just not a good feeling.

Another was the way this game operates; particularly, those starting node charges, node refresh timers, maximum node charges, and event start/end times. It feels like something that the player needs to accommodate into their real lives and it becomes a huge problem when you start micro-managing your real life schedule to make room for a game. To put it into perspective, players don't want to lose nodes because they couldn't play the game in time, players don't want to lose rewards because if you've already played a good portion of an event and then lose a charge to timers... well its frustrating; or perhaps you are on a coalition with certain requirements, etc etc (to name a few). Therefore, there are times you have to put aside your real-life obligations or at the minimum have to make a choice between the two - real life or MTGPQ. This decision should not exist in the high frequency that it currently does for a game intended to provide entertainment - it creates unwanted anxiety and it feels very oppressive and suffocating. So, now, imagine the goal of being able to accrue a good amount of resources so that you can open some goodies at the end of it all. Patience and perseverance for over a month in monk mode (not spending those resources and grinding it out).

Then there is the time aspect of it, I know this is debatable but I would like to think we can all agree that this game does absorb a rather significant amount of time. Depending on your collection and level, the completion time-frames will vary. You've got your dailies [TG (10-30mins), AX (formerly) (15-30mins), ToTPs (20-60mins)] and then a few simpler PvE events (30-60mins) scattered here and there with your occasional non-coalition PvP (30-?mins). Of course, there's PvP bracket manipulations or just not joining, which is honestly what I had done. Not a big fan of low payout PvP when I am strapped for time. Anyhow, it always felt like a race against the clock for me. What I mean is, there are new fun decks I want to try out but cant because I have to somehow fit in at least an hour or more (usually ballpark 1.5-2 hours) to finish what I need to in the game before hitting the sack; but if I try something new out that isn't geared towards efficiency, you have to factor in the deck-building time, play testing time, uselessly longer battles, etc. And unfortunately, I do not have as much time available with real life obligations. Of course, that is not to say I haven't tried to have fun but it was more sparse than expected or should be. Now, remember the goal is to accrue a good amount of resources so that you can open some goodies at the end of it all. So once again, patience and perseverance for over a month in monk mode. Thus, aside from not playing/bracket manipulating non-coalition PvPs, slacking on some coalition and non-coalition PvEs (looking at you God-Pharoah), and not playing TotPs black (haven't had the time or cards to create a 30 min or less deck yet), we are looking for that hard work for decent payout.

NOTE: I am appreciative of the events that are available to play. And I am not suggesting we reduce any events in any way and i completely approve of non-mandatory, non-coalition opt in events.

Moreover, there are the brutally competitive scores, where a loss in one objective could cost you a huge chunk of rewards. I was lucky, as I  mentioned I avoided most of the trolls, the bugs, the freezes, I was able to get top prizes; but man, lose 1 objective or somehow lose and game and getting kicked out of "value town" is not cool. And this is more significant based on the ratio of how much time is invested for the amount of rewards you get. (not going to elaborate on this too much).

And finally, you've got your notable ridiculous inconveniences that are like little obnoxious pokes that just build up like a bomb waiting to explode. Few deck slots, not updating events (text, rewards, objectives, node timers/charges), bad RNG (card draw, gem match, drop rate, etc), bugs (freezes, text inconsistencies, random app restarts.. whaaaat?), loading times.. OMG LOADING TIMES (10-20% of time spent in-game is loading times), ridiculous real money prices, phone battery death, lack of D3/oktagon responsiveness, etc. Ultimately, there are good and great things about this game! There are significant improvements and even more to come! But, when day in and day out you are bombarded by tons of small negative inconveniences, it just doesn't feel good overall.

Perspective/play-style:

The main thing was the way I had been playing this game. For far too long, I wasn't playing this game for fun as others pointed out; I was playing like it was work. The goal was to get those rewards to get that card to get more rewards to get that other card; when it should have been to get those rewards to get that card to have fun. On top of that, I was treating it as such an important part of my life as if it was a competitive sport or my career; consequently, it resulted in all those sacrifices to real life obligations and much needed relaxation. My priorities were all wrong. So for over a month, I worked hard, I grinded, I persevered, I sacrificed, and then RNG pooped on me. I did everything in my control to increase my odds of success but in the end I failed because I wasn't lucky enough. So yes, I was sad and upset because I looked back and thought what was all that patience and sacrifice for? I could have definitely been doing more productive and rewarding things with my time. Wouldn't you be upset if you worked real hard and didn't get that promotion, that new lucrative deal, that good test score, that vacation you've been planning, all because you were unlucky?

So I have decided to change my perspective/play-style, I will greatly lower my expectations of this game/D3GO/Oktagon, reduce my time investment in this game, and actually enjoy the game and what I've got as opposed to grinding it out.

Side note: Not sure why you got flagged, as did I; but, my post wasn't necessarily the happiest of moments to say the least.

[Deleted User]

Gilgalad said:

Elektrophorus said:

jimpark said:

So ive opened 9 PP, 1 super pack, and all the guilds of ravnica rewards packs possible to accumulate. I got 2 lazavs. So dupes... (not going to talk about elite packs cause those are atleast a sure shot).  

Is there any point in going on? I feel completely deflated and depressed.  My desire to keep playing has just hit rock bottom. I dont understand what in the world have i been doing with my life? Grinding and grinding; waiting and waiting... for ravnica to drop and all that hard work resisting the urge to use my crystals for this? This feeling of complete emptiness. 

[...] all those sacrificed real life hours... was it really for 2 dupe mythics? [...]

I feel so truly lost. I worked so hard in this game and even dropped cash on smart purchases. 2 years feels so suddenly wasted... like gambling addicts would feel i assume

And to those who went through this in prev. sets. I had heard the horror and now here i am. I never would have imagined the destructive capabilities this drop rate has on a persons psychology - my life feels meaningless, what am i going to do apply for a job with a resume of MTGPQ top scorer? Is there truly a point to keep going in this vicious cycle of abuse? Please convince me otherwise.. 

EDIT: not trying to be a drama queen or infuse negativity but man this is truly how i feel right now - just low. Sorry. 

You need to quit the game immediately and seek a psychiatrist.

If you cannot understand that this is literally a game, and you are serious about your feelings now, you need to seek help. I am saying this out of kindness.

Three things:

• We are not qualified to help you. There is no right answer to what you have posed here, partially because of how everything is phrased, and partially because I don't think you want an answer.
  
• A game is not worth playing if it causes you to suffer from depressive symptoms.
• Even if you are not actually experiencing these symptoms, you should still speak with a qualified specialist just for feeling the need to create this post.

I totally agree with this comment.

We understand your frustration because we probably had bad luck in this, and other games that depend on RNG.

But like some people say, most of times just to mock, "its just a game". Because, a game should be something to have fun, and enjoy on your free time as a hobby, not something to bring you down emotionally.

I dont know you, but I can see that If this game is having this kind of impact in you, its probably because its reflecting something missing in your life. I think you should really consider to speak to someone trustworthy, or a professional like psychologist or psychiatrist, if you see that need one.

I hope you be fine!

I would like to thank you as well and let you know I really appreciate your thoughts and especially that last line of your comment. And I will be perfectly fine! But you are right, I was missing something because I had my priorities all wrong and decided to find it in this game as opposed to my real life.

[Deleted User]

__Adam said:

I had 5k crystals saved up and got 0 mythics from packs.  That's like $150 'value' and I got NOTHING? Yeah, let me get my wallet out...

I now play Gems of War and will just f2p/casual MtGPQ until they get a clue.

WOW. That is horrid, absolutely terrible.. I am so sorry you had to go through that. The RNG for this game is pretty absurd at times..

but I've played that game before, its one of the better if not best match-3 games - very well done but I didn't play it for very long cause MTGPQ is like a job. lol

Theros said:

At leat you got 2 mythic even if  dupes. Compared to other I know that spent on PP, you did pretty well. You could have gotten 0 mythic and all guaranteed rares only. Some will say you should be grateful, some will feel your pain and some find it normal because it's the "mtg way of life ". This is our community and don't be surprised if many won't support the idea of a pity timer because it ain't mtg worthy

Theros said:

You can't be mad if you stay F2P. But that's my philosophy. I would spend only if I'm getting a good deal, in both short and long term. This is why I rather spend in PWS/exclusives

Well Adam over there has it much more rough than me and I am positive he is not the only one. I am going to try to be more optimistic about it. And I, too, only spend on exclusive cards, if there's even one that catches my eye.

madwren

This type of despair is not unheard of in gacha-styled games. I also play Fire Emblem Heroes, and it seems like every week there's a person on the reddit posting about how they've finally broken free of the cycle of hope and sadness. However, it behooves everyone to remember that a lot of times, it isn't simply as easy as telling someone to stop. There are genuine addictive underpinnings to the system, including the presence of coalitions.  It can be hard to escape; not for everyone, but certainly for some who are particularly vulnerable to the predatory mechanisms of mobile gaming.

__Adam

jimpark said:

__Adam said:

I had 5k crystals saved up and got 0 mythics from packs.  That's like $150 'value' and I got NOTHING? Yeah, let me get my wallet out...

I now play Gems of War and will just f2p/casual MtGPQ until they get a clue.

WOW. That is horrid, absolutely terrible.. I am so sorry you had to go through that. The RNG for this game is pretty absurd at times..

but I've played that game before, its one of the better if not best match-3 games - very well done but I didn't play it for very long cause MTGPQ is like a job. lol

Theros said:

At leat you got 2 mythic even if  dupes. Compared to other I know that spent on PP, you did pretty well. You could have gotten 0 mythic and all guaranteed rares only. Some will say you should be grateful, some will feel your pain and some find it normal because it's the "mtg way of life ". This is our community and don't be surprised if many won't support the idea of a pity timer because it ain't mtg worthy

Theros said:

You can't be mad if you stay F2P. But that's my philosophy. I would spend only if I'm getting a good deal, in both short and long term. This is why I rather spend in PWS/exclusives

Well Adam over there has it much more rough than me and I am positive he is not the only one. I am going to try to be more optimistic about it. And I, too, only spend on exclusive cards, if there's even one that catches my eye.

Thankfully those crystals were saved up from playing, but it certainly deterred me from buying any, ever.  On the plus side I'm sitting on ~30k orbs.  At this point I'm calling this block a loss and saving resources for the next one.

Sad part is after the big fail of packs I played 2 games and on my first noticed that etali still doesn't work right and on my 2nd i had a creature that wouldn't re-enable despite the support being destroyed. That's when i decided there must be a better game!

My coalition has 16 players and we have a couple absent, yet we're hitting top 100... i suspect the player count is in a death spiral.

Kinesia

The psychological stuff about this particular game is very real and really important and needs to be looked at as part of design because you _aren't_ just designing a game, you are deliberately designing a section of people's day-to-day lives.
It can be very easy for people to lose track of that themselves but also the game devs might not always realise since they are focusing more directly within the game itself rather than looking at it's outside impact as much.


@Brigby If possible would you be able to pass on some of the things in this thread about the psychological impact of various things to the developers? (I ask because I expect this thread would otherwise be glossed over, but also because some things might need clarification in translation.)

Brigby

Kinesia said:

The psychological stuff about this particular game is very real and really important and needs to be looked at as part of design because you _aren't_ just designing a game, you are deliberately designing a section of people's day-to-day lives.
It can be very easy for people to lose track of that themselves but also the game devs might not always realise since they are focusing more directly within the game itself rather than looking at it's outside impact as much.


Brigby If possible would you be able to pass on some of the things in this thread about the psychological impact of various things to the developers? (I ask because I expect this thread would otherwise be glossed over, but also because some things might need clarification in translation.)

You read my mind! I am in fact including this thread in my weekly report to the rest of the team.