Spudgutter said: tiomono said: @spudgutter I'm not sure on the 5* variant of the supports. They can still be useful even if not at the 5* level.@cyineedsn well that stinks.My point is that they are not impossible to get. They definitely need tweaking to make it easier, but many people have such a deep seated hatred for the supports that regardless of what the devs do they get criticized for it and I find that tiring. @tiomono You helped prove my point. The only reason you seem to be ok with them is *precisely* because you were lucky enough to get them. I also pull the 100 hp offer everyday, on every vault, supports or otherwise. I am top 50 cl9 pve, top 100 pve alliance, top 25 cl9 pvp and top 25 pvp alliance. I pull what could be argued as "more than my fair share" of tokens. Of your list above, i have2* shuri's lab2* spider senseThat's it.You, and subsequently others, are "tired" of hearing the criticism of the have-nots strictly because you are in the land of the haves. You say they are not impossible to get, and this is technically true. But to the vast majority, literally due to the way the odds work, they may as well be impossible. The problem with the devs being criticized "regardless of what they do" is because they are not doing anything. The first time new supports were added, but were not to the support store, I'm pretty sure it was brought to their attention. That number is now 20. You dont think that is a valid criticism?
tiomono said: @spudgutter I'm not sure on the 5* variant of the supports. They can still be useful even if not at the 5* level.@cyineedsn well that stinks.My point is that they are not impossible to get. They definitely need tweaking to make it easier, but many people have such a deep seated hatred for the supports that regardless of what the devs do they get criticized for it and I find that tiring.
tiomono said: Spudgutter said: tiomono said: @spudgutter I'm not sure on the 5* variant of the supports. They can still be useful even if not at the 5* level.@cyineedsn well that stinks.My point is that they are not impossible to get. They definitely need tweaking to make it easier, but many people have such a deep seated hatred for the supports that regardless of what the devs do they get criticized for it and I find that tiring. @tiomono You helped prove my point. The only reason you seem to be ok with them is *precisely* because you were lucky enough to get them. I also pull the 100 hp offer everyday, on every vault, supports or otherwise. I am top 50 cl9 pve, top 100 pve alliance, top 25 cl9 pvp and top 25 pvp alliance. I pull what could be argued as "more than my fair share" of tokens. Of your list above, i have2* shuri's lab2* spider senseThat's it.You, and subsequently others, are "tired" of hearing the criticism of the have-nots strictly because you are in the land of the haves. You say they are not impossible to get, and this is technically true. But to the vast majority, literally due to the way the odds work, they may as well be impossible. The problem with the devs being criticized "regardless of what they do" is because they are not doing anything. The first time new supports were added, but were not to the support store, I'm pretty sure it was brought to their attention. That number is now 20. You dont think that is a valid criticism? In your eyes they are doing nothing. In reality they increased the rate red iso is given in events. And when they say they are looking into availability of the actual supports (which is doing something) you say " too little too late". I never said supports were fine as is. I said they still need adjusted. I just did a player survey and I listed 2 things they could do better. 1) do anything with the dead prologue tab. Once you earn the rewards it's pointless because you cannot even reread the story. 2) Support availability needs tuned because currently they are more rare than 5 star characters and that feels bizarre. So yes I find it tiring when they constantly get hit with claims of "paywall", "doing nothing", and "too little too late". Which is it? Are they doing nothing or too little? Are supports behind a paywall or "technically" available to everyone. You are exaggerating and contradicting yourself because you are upset at the state of supports (rightfully so). This dev team is not known for fast responses on tuning things. But they eventually do tune things that are problems. Support availability is a problem and they are looking into it.This is getting way off of the topic of hope as a support though so I'm done with this line of conversation in this topic. I understand your view and to a degree I agree. I just feel the devs deserve a tad more credit.
Spudgutter said:Mind if i look at that support you equipped medusa? It increases her damage 33%? Seems like an impressive bump. But not for me, or anyone else at cl9. One node in pve, the enemies have a combined health of 116131. That 237 extra damage is 0.002% extra damage.
tiomono said:It just reminds me of how long it took them to address the agonizing radio silence in the meantime. I honestly feel they do get that it's not good right now and they are trying to come up with a solution that doesn't oversaturate the availability of them so they still feel somewhat rare but actually letting us get some.
Dormammu said: Spudgutter said:Mind if i look at that support you equipped medusa? It increases her damage 33%? Seems like an impressive bump. But not for me, or anyone else at cl9. One node in pve, the enemies have a combined health of 116131. That 237 extra damage is 0.002% extra damage. Well, my Medusa's countdown did do 750 damage every turn. Now it does 1000 every turn with the support equipped. That's 33% more damage every turn, regardless of how much health my enemies have or what SCL I play in.
DeNappa said: Spudgutter said: tiomono said: @spudgutter I'm not sure on the 5* variant of the supports. They can still be useful even if not at the 5* level.@cyineedsn well that stinks.My point is that they are not impossible to get. They definitely need tweaking to make it easier, but many people have such a deep seated hatred for the supports that regardless of what the devs do they get criticized for it and I find that tiring. @tiomono You helped prove my point. The only reason you seem to be ok with them is *precisely* because you were lucky enough to get them. I also pull the 100 hp offer everyday, on every vault, supports or otherwise. I am top 50 cl9 pve, top 100 pve alliance, top 25 cl9 pvp and top 25 pvp alliance. I pull what could be argued as "more than my fair share" of tokens. Of your list above, i have2* shuri's lab2* spider senseThat's it.You, and subsequently others, are "tired" of hearing the criticism of the have-nots strictly because you are in the land of the haves. You say they are not impossible to get, and this is technically true. But to the vast majority, literally due to the way the odds work, they may as well be impossible. The problem with the devs being criticized "regardless of what they do" is because they are not doing anything. The first time new supports were added, but were not to the support store, I'm pretty sure it was brought to their attention. That number is now 20. You dont think that is a valid criticism? I’m confused — do you have only 2 supports, or only 2 level 2 supports? (Doesn’t really become clear from the way you worded it).Even some rank 1 supports can already be a nice bonus. And i believe that is what the devs want them to be : a nice bonus that can bring a strategic advantage at times. Not a ‘equip this to win the match’ feature.Your point seems to be that supports suck because the availability suck, that opinion being extra fueled by the fact that you have been among the unlucky ones that never pulled higher ranked supports. But I think people who like supports never questioned the fact that their availability should be improved. Even those who have been lucky enough to pull better / higher ranked supports.Also, the devs haven't been 'not doing anything'. But have you ever seen them address issues quickly? (Hint : go take a look at the 'known bugs' threAd and check how long some of the bugs have been known already). Yes, The rollout of supports has been atrocious, but since then they *did* improve RISO rewards. Now let's hope they will do something about the availability and ranking. Tbh, I'm not getting my hopes up and I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if they addressed this within the next 3 months)
Spudgutter said: Dormammu said: Spudgutter said:Mind if i look at that support you equipped medusa? It increases her damage 33%? Seems like an impressive bump. But not for me, or anyone else at cl9. One node in pve, the enemies have a combined health of 116131. That 237 extra damage is 0.002% extra damage. Well, my Medusa's countdown did do 750 damage every turn. Now it does 1000 every turn with the support equipped. That's 33% more damage every turn, regardless of how much health my enemies have or what SCL I play in. Agree to disagree, you are arguing semantics here. I didn't say it wasnt 33%, i am saying it isn't relevant and doesn't make a difference.