When to go for the 5* land / Next 4* champions
bk201
Posts: 75 Match Maker
Hi experts!
I have a hoard of 200 LT and one strategy to jump to 5* land is to fully cover the latest. Is it worth to open it and try to cover Captain/Okoye/Wasp or Loki/Okoye/Wasp? Or should I keep collecting them and wait for the next? Don't know if they are a good start point.
And with that question, comes another: Which 4*s should I champ next? When I open those tokens, I'll get a bunch of them plus the bonus heroes.
I have every 4* rostered (except Nebula, of course), 24 of them are champed. For now, I have Iceman as my BH with 11 covers.
These are the non champed 4*s. Also, I have 3M iso, so I believe it's enough for 7 4*s without putting a single iso on 5*s.
12: IW, Iron Fist
11: Professor X, Punisher, Gwenpool, Iceman, Lockjaw, MEHulk, Winter Soldier, X-23
10: Elektra, Miles, Fury, Nova, Peggy, Sam Wilson, Star-Lord, Wolverine
9: Hulkbuster, Kingpin, Kraven, Mockingbird, Agent Venon
8: Quake, Drax, Spider-Woman, TAHulk, Valkyrie
7: MK, Black Widow, Carnage, Ghost Rider, America Chavez, Mr. Fantastic
6 or less: War Machine, Jubilee, Kate Bishop, Shuri, Eddie Brock, Spider-Gwen, Wiccan, BPanther, Ghost, Spider-Man, Emma Frost
So, to make it easier (I think), let's say, who are the top 7 from those not champed? Whom should I aim for?
What do you think about the scenario?
Thanks in advance! Roster updated on 20/08
I have a hoard of 200 LT and one strategy to jump to 5* land is to fully cover the latest. Is it worth to open it and try to cover Captain/Okoye/Wasp or Loki/Okoye/Wasp? Or should I keep collecting them and wait for the next? Don't know if they are a good start point.
And with that question, comes another: Which 4*s should I champ next? When I open those tokens, I'll get a bunch of them plus the bonus heroes.
I have every 4* rostered (except Nebula, of course), 24 of them are champed. For now, I have Iceman as my BH with 11 covers.
These are the non champed 4*s. Also, I have 3M iso, so I believe it's enough for 7 4*s without putting a single iso on 5*s.
12: IW, Iron Fist
11: Professor X, Punisher, Gwenpool, Iceman, Lockjaw, MEHulk, Winter Soldier, X-23
10: Elektra, Miles, Fury, Nova, Peggy, Sam Wilson, Star-Lord, Wolverine
9: Hulkbuster, Kingpin, Kraven, Mockingbird, Agent Venon
8: Quake, Drax, Spider-Woman, TAHulk, Valkyrie
7: MK, Black Widow, Carnage, Ghost Rider, America Chavez, Mr. Fantastic
6 or less: War Machine, Jubilee, Kate Bishop, Shuri, Eddie Brock, Spider-Gwen, Wiccan, BPanther, Ghost, Spider-Man, Emma Frost
So, to make it easier (I think), let's say, who are the top 7 from those not champed? Whom should I aim for?
What do you think about the scenario?
Thanks in advance! Roster updated on 20/08
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Of your 4*s, Iceman, Peggy, Mockingbird, Valkyrie, America, Iron Fist and MEHulk would be my champ choices.
So if you want Okoye, that leaves you with the decision of Lumbercap vs. Loki. I only have one Loki cover so I don't have any experience with him, but on the surface I don't think he looks any better or worse than Lumbercap. They both do completely different things, though so one might be better for your play style.
I do have Lumbercap at twelve covers and lv 435. To me he's okay. His red can end a fight definitively and his purple is fun to use when trying to shut down opposing teams who obviously rely on one or two colors.
If you're not completely sold on Okoye, your best option is then to wait until both Lumbercap and Wasp (and possibly even Loki) leave latest three and see what your prospects look like then. There will always be another 5-star who comes along that everyone will gotta have; Okoye certainly won't be the last of those.
He's LumberCap and he's okay, he sleeps all night and he works all day!
...*ahem* I agree with the analysis. Considering Cap leaves Latest on Monday, there is not enough time to get covers for him right now. Keep hoarding until the next fivestar is announced and make your decision then.
Before making any decision, I've looked again at these characters abilities and agree with you: Okoye is the best among them, LumberCap and Loki seems ok, and Wasp doesn't worth it imo.
So, I decided to keep hoarding LT until the next 5*s. It looks like they are releasing one per month. Is it right? If so, I'll have 3-4 months, at least, before all those 3 are replaced and 3-4 opportunities to make that decision again.
Exactly!
Meanwhile, I'll invest on these 4*s. Really liked your recommendation, but what about Punisher and X-23? Any thoughts?
I consider X-23 to be a poorly designed character. Her healing ability requires that she tank her colors, which can be frustratingly difficult to arrange depending on her teammates. It severely limits the teams she can be a part of, especially if she's one of your lowest leveled 4-stars. Her purple is is an awful power that often results in no damage ever occurring, despite a the AP cost. Her green is okay... but there are a lot better green options in the 4-star tier.
Thanks for your insight, it was very helpful! I've played with her before reaching 11 covers, when she was featured, and I thought it would be a solid option after champed. There are so many 4*s these days that it's hard to figure out who worths the effort without using it properly.
For now, I have mixed feelings about her. As I use Grocket a lot, her yellow passive looks interesting, but Nico offers a similar ability (although I don't use Nico that much). Her purple seems very useful against special tile creators, but the red power doesn't look good.
If I'm not wrong, she'll enter the latest in two weeks. I can see 2 options:
1. Choose between her and Okoye and try to cover the chosen character, also getting Wasp and Loki covers.
Basically, Loki/Okoye/Wasp or Loki/Kitty/Wasp.
2 Or keep hoarding, wait for the next release, and make that decision again between Loki/Kitty/ Wasp and Loki/Kitty/New 5*
Kitty seems neat, but not neat enough for me to chase after right now. I'm hoarding for post-Loki/Wasp. I have a feeling in my gut that there is a 5-star Captain Marvel coming for her movie release that will be meta-defining, so I may even hoard past Kitty. I'll see what opinions are on her after she's been out a while and people report on her performance.
As for 5* Captain Marvel, that's my gut feeling as well. In my country Captain Marvel will be released on 7 May; coincidentally, that's exactly 24 weeks after Kitty's release. So assuming they stick to the six-week schedule throughout, Carol would be the fourth 5* after Kitty.
As to your second question, my top seven 4* from your unchamped list (in my opinion, no particular order): Iceman, America Chavez, Mockingbird, Shuri, Valkyrie, Panther, Punisher.
Keep in mind that there are A LOT of combinations in 4* land. So your choice of champions is also largely dependent on who you already have champed/planning to champ. Example 1: Luke Cage/Iron Fist/Professor X is a very solid combo. Example 2: Iron Spider/Miles Morales/Spider-Gwen is another very good trio. Example 3: Shuri, Mr Fantastic, and either Black Panther or MEHulk.
That would be awesome! Hope your gut feelings are right! I really didn't realize they might release a strong character along with the movie. (I think you made a confusion, Cap Marvel will be released on March and the next Avengers on May) Anyway, as you said, if they stick to the schedule, by that time, we'll have 3 different 5*s on Latest and the next announcement. What are 6 months of wait in this extensive marathon, right?
Well, I have a chance but to fully cover, I think I'll need to be quite lucky. ATM I have 230 tokens (215 LT and CP for 15 pulls). What is the safe amount to get, at least, 13 covers? Maybe 300?
As you said earlier, I'm not completely sold on Okoye. She looks very solid on her own but not a game changer. I mean, IMHO, I see her in any team but can't figure out combinations with great synergy. But it's just my impression when I look at her power's description.
No, I don't have her. Roster is updated regarding the 5*s. Just need to update some 3* levels and other 4*s covers.
I can see some uses for Kitty, but maybe it's just my play style. I agree with you both, she seams neat, above average. On her own, probably she isn't as good as Okoye, but she can pair well with some and can be good against others. Also, agree on Loki, he looks solid but not a game changer. But I think it's not enough to have 2 good powers out of 3 to make me jump into 5*. For me, to spend my hoard trying to cover 3 characters, they need to be very good on their own, or have great synergy with others (5* or 4*), or pair well between them. Maybe this won't happen on the Latest tokens, but I think I'll keep waiting and hoarding.
I'll keep an eye on Shuri and BPanther, only have 6 and 4 covers, respectively. Looks like they have a great synergy together.
For now:
- Valkyrie, Mockingbird and America are my priorities to get covers. I see them a lot PvP, think they'll be very useful.
- Punisher, MEHulk and IF are almost there, maybe on the next classics pull.
- I think Shuri and BPanther goes here.
- Peggy would be fully covered now if it wasn't for so many red dupes (2 saved + 2 sold before this feature)
Absolutely, there are a lot of combinations, I discover at least a new one every event! By the way, didn't thought about LC/IF with Professor X. Maybe he's a good candidate to be in the next batch of 4*s to champion as he have 11 covers.
Reading her thread, BlackBoltRocks said she boosts Dr Strange's passive Faltine Flames, but not Medusa's Entanglement. So, she only boosts powers that deal direct damage (active or passive), but not powers that create countdowns/repeaters that deal damage? For example, C4rol's Photonic Barrage cd, Vulture's One Fell Swoop cd, etc. Now I can see her with a lot of 4*s that I have championed but not with others.
Still confused, I have 1 more week to decide if I go for her. (or wait for others, maybe C5rol, who knows)
Dig this - if you team her with XF Deadpool in PvP against other 5-stars, their match damage will trigger his passive ability that makes 1-turn damaging countdown tiles. Okoye boosts them with her passive and the damage goes through the roof. Add Drax as a third and his passive triggers every time a countdown reaches zero and does more damage... boosted by Okoye. So with Okoye and two 4-stars I can slaughter through any set of champed 5-stars, no matter who they are, in a tiny number of turns. Okoye tanks all colors and true heals off her yellow, so even though she's taking hits I don't use any health packs. I take a large number of losses on retals because they suck on defense, but who cares?
In PvE I put her with Medusa and Strange and they'll tear through any set of three goons in about 4-5 turns. If I'm really in a hurry (seeking placement) I swap out Strange for Thanos and Okoye boosts Court Death, so any team (goons or active, it doesn't matter) are wiped out in 2-3 turns as long as there is Team-Up AP available.
@bk201 how goes your current stash? According to your last update, you have 215 LTs and around 375CP. If you've since added to that, and can get a decent amount of CP and LTs in the next 3-4 days, you have a good shot at getting around 11-12 covers for Okoye (that's based on my estimate of you having at least 217 LTs and 400CP). Take into account LTs and CPs from champ rewards, and setting Okoye as your sole 5* BH, and you have a decent chance of covering her. (I don't want to get your hopes up though; RNG is a fickle beast heh.) But yes, as mentioned, you should be able to get 11-12 covers for Okoye, and pray that you don't get dupe covers. Then you can finish her off via Bonus Heroes and/or Shuri feeding her.