ManiiNames said: We split off from TerraNova (was 22nd ranked) and formed TheCartel. Started at like 28k rank, after two weeks (came in 23rd! last weekend) now we are in 5000th or so? Acceleration is insane, so yea that points to many dead / inactive coalitions for sure. Here's the thing though, what is the benefit (revenue generation) of deleting the inactive ones?
FindingHeart8 said: I don't really see the issue here.Sure there are probably a lot of dead coalitions or coalitions run by super-casuals or only a few active players, but active players with coalitions speeding past the inactives is a motivator to keep playing this game, not a deterrent. On top of that, purging inactive coalitions might also alienate returning players.I dunno though, my coalition isn't that high and there's consistently about an hour or two window maximum between me booting a player and a new one joining. I'd be amazed to hear a longer turnover with higher coalitions.
bken1234 said: FindingHeart8 said: I don't really see the issue here.Sure there are probably a lot of dead coalitions or coalitions run by super-casuals or only a few active players, but active players with coalitions speeding past the inactives is a motivator to keep playing this game, not a deterrent. On top of that, purging inactive coalitions might also alienate returning players.I dunno though, my coalition isn't that high and there's consistently about an hour or two window maximum between me booting a player and a new one joining. I'd be amazed to hear a longer turnover with higher coalitions. Our top 25 and 50 coalitions can open for 4 days and never have anyone join. Our top 10 coalitions can go a whole day -- and those who do join find them by the all time leaderboard, not by the search functions.My biggest concern is the feedback I get from players when they join the alliance. Mostly how they're close to quitting the game because they've jumped from one dead coalition to another. Also after posting this, I did an experiment last night since I was a passenger on a long drive. Knowing of 6 top 100 coalitions who need players and have open spots (mostly outside of my alliance) and about 10 more fairly new teams who are not top 100 all time, but are very active and do well in events, I hit the refresh on the random search for about an hour. Each time checking the coalitions that came up. Not a single one had any chat history. They were all dead. I looked at over 100 teams. If a player is doing this and taking an hour of their time just to not find an active team -- what kind of experience is that for them?Perhaps the solution is what I said above -- only teams that have put up (any) points in the last 7 days should be searchable using the random search function. But it's clear, I've done the experiments -- great players are not finding great, active teams -- and great coalitions are not finding great, active players.
FindingHeart8 said: I see what you're saying in that there's a lot of clutter (aka the rubble of dead coalitions scattered across the land) but I'm not sure if that qualifies as a broken system.If I was a new player, not trying to start my own coalition, and looking to join another...I would try to find the highest level coalition that has an open spot. Perhaps if players could scroll through all the lists, see which ones have openings, and when players last logged into the coalition, perhaps that would solve the problem.A dead coalition is going to sink to the bottom of the ranks, so new players should be able to catch on pretty quickly that if they don't want to join a dead coalition, to seek a higher ranking coalition. This should be an intrinsic pursuit, as you don't play this game to intentionally have a low score lol.
bken1234 said: FindingHeart8 said: I see what you're saying in that there's a lot of clutter (aka the rubble of dead coalitions scattered across the land) but I'm not sure if that qualifies as a broken system.If I was a new player, not trying to start my own coalition, and looking to join another...I would try to find the highest level coalition that has an open spot. Perhaps if players could scroll through all the lists, see which ones have openings, and when players last logged into the coalition, perhaps that would solve the problem.A dead coalition is going to sink to the bottom of the ranks, so new players should be able to catch on pretty quickly that if they don't want to join a dead coalition, to seek a higher ranking coalition. This should be an intrinsic pursuit, as you don't play this game to intentionally have a low score lol. I adding making the leaderboard scrollable -- however it still creates the problem of having to pick and choose. Also I know for a fact there are several top 100 alltime coalitions that are completely abandoned. So should a player hop into one of those and have to spend 2 weeks playing to figure out no one else is there? Or should active coalitions at rank 105 not get top 100 designation because completely dead teams are cluttering up the leader board?
FindingHeart8 said: bken1234 said: FindingHeart8 said: I see what you're saying in that there's a lot of clutter (aka the rubble of dead coalitions scattered across the land) but I'm not sure if that qualifies as a broken system.If I was a new player, not trying to start my own coalition, and looking to join another...I would try to find the highest level coalition that has an open spot. Perhaps if players could scroll through all the lists, see which ones have openings, and when players last logged into the coalition, perhaps that would solve the problem.A dead coalition is going to sink to the bottom of the ranks, so new players should be able to catch on pretty quickly that if they don't want to join a dead coalition, to seek a higher ranking coalition. This should be an intrinsic pursuit, as you don't play this game to intentionally have a low score lol. I adding making the leaderboard scrollable -- however it still creates the problem of having to pick and choose. Also I know for a fact there are several top 100 alltime coalitions that are completely abandoned. So should a player hop into one of those and have to spend 2 weeks playing to figure out no one else is there? Or should active coalitions at rank 105 not get top 100 designation because completely dead teams are cluttering up the leader board? Again though, I don't think that'll be an issue for long. An inactive coalition will not be increasing its score, while all the active coalitions will be catching up and surpassing it. It'll sink to the bottom and be forgotten with all the other dead coalitions.An inactive coalition won't be participating in events, so a rank 105 not being in the top 100 would only lose out on bragging rights, and only temporarily.Going beyond that though, purging would just be a temporary solution. Players can still make and abandon coalitions. We would, eventually, get back to where we are here.
bken1234 said: FindingHeart8 said: bken1234 said: FindingHeart8 said: I see what you're saying in that there's a lot of clutter (aka the rubble of dead coalitions scattered across the land) but I'm not sure if that qualifies as a broken system.If I was a new player, not trying to start my own coalition, and looking to join another...I would try to find the highest level coalition that has an open spot. Perhaps if players could scroll through all the lists, see which ones have openings, and when players last logged into the coalition, perhaps that would solve the problem.A dead coalition is going to sink to the bottom of the ranks, so new players should be able to catch on pretty quickly that if they don't want to join a dead coalition, to seek a higher ranking coalition. This should be an intrinsic pursuit, as you don't play this game to intentionally have a low score lol. I adding making the leaderboard scrollable -- however it still creates the problem of having to pick and choose. Also I know for a fact there are several top 100 alltime coalitions that are completely abandoned. So should a player hop into one of those and have to spend 2 weeks playing to figure out no one else is there? Or should active coalitions at rank 105 not get top 100 designation because completely dead teams are cluttering up the leader board? Again though, I don't think that'll be an issue for long. An inactive coalition will not be increasing its score, while all the active coalitions will be catching up and surpassing it. It'll sink to the bottom and be forgotten with all the other dead coalitions.An inactive coalition won't be participating in events, so a rank 105 not being in the top 100 would only lose out on bragging rights, and only temporarily.Going beyond that though, purging would just be a temporary solution. Players can still make and abandon coalitions. We would, eventually, get back to where we are here. If it were a regular thing, it wouldn’t be an issue.
Laeuftbeidir said: What if there was an option for coalition leaders to mark the coalition as "recruiting"? Only those coalitions who have it activated get shown in the list. The status reverts every week, but can immediately be re-enabled by the leader (who also gets a notification whenever the status gets set back). This way, 99% of the dead coalitions won't show up anymore without harming fresh groups.