is 5* wasp THAT bad? i mean, really?

jredd

folks be acting like she's just, the worst. is she? that's pretty hard to do with banner and doc ok down there in poopy town.

Vhailorx

Well, she is a 5*, so she has high health and match damage.  She will beat a lot of unboosted 4*s and 3*s.

But relative to her 5* peers she seems very very weak.  A lot work to get a very underwhelming amount of damage. Doc and banner are very good comps.

randomhero1090

I got her at 1/1/1 and since she is boosted, figured try her in PVE a bit.  I mean, I don’t even know what the hell she does honestly.  Her “call the swarm” doesn’t seem like much.  10% match damage isn’t much.  And the swarm growth doesn’t generate AP.  

Wish her 5* was more like her 4*.

sinnerjfl

She just doesnt do any damage at all. Her swarm tile mechanic is very convoluted if you want extra match damage.

Lets look at her abilities in detail (assuming all powers are at 5).

Blue: steal 4 random AP (random is the important word here) and creates 2 countdown tiles (unreliable) that makes 2 swarm tiles each. At least its spammable at 6 AP but this does zero damage on its own.

Yellow: turn an ally invisible for 4 turns and creates 3 swarm tiles. Zero damage again, we already have this power in the 4* tier and its very niche.

Black: Steal a burst of healing (about 5k at max level) + 1200 per swarm tile. For 10 AP, you'll probably steal about 10k health, 1/1 ratio is below average. There's a passive too but its just adding more swarm tiles if she gets healed.

Call of the Swarm: Oh boy, here it is, for a whopping 12 AP you'll do 6880!!!! dmg and destroys all your swarm tiles (and not getting damage or AP for tiles destroyed).

You also can get 10% match damage from every swarm tile if this power is active, OK that sounds good. But you're gonna have to jump through hoops to get more than 4 swarm tiles on the board. Let's not mention her locked tiles dont really work too well, they end up getting matched away all the time. So you're looking at 40% more match damage with a whole lot of setup. Thanos get 65% or 80% with 8 purple AP...

She's awful, way too complicated, bad numbers, lots of randomness and her nuke is pathetic and also asking you to destroy your swarm tiles which you want to keep.

She might be a support and all but this is just not a good character, it feels like she should be a 4*.

maguirenumber6

Can't really comment as I only have one cover for her so far, but the consensus seems to be that she's at the bottom end of the 5* scale.

BlackBoltRocks

Yes, she’s that bad. @sinnerjfl has explained well quite succinctly. Hope steals a bunch of AP; turns a teammate invisible; and uses Leech Life with the strength of a Caterpie. And her Call the Swarm does nonsense damage for its cost and setup.

At least Doctopus can stun, and Hulkform does decent AoE.

The best we can hope (heh) for is Hope gets a buff, like how mommy Janet did.

Richyyy

randomhero1090 said:

Wish her 5* was more like her 4*.

Good point. There've been lots of complaints over the years about 'lazy' copies of characters from other levels, but she'd be so much better if they'd just taken 4* Wasp and given her 5* health and match damage with copied powers.

And yeah, she's awful. You could at least see how they were trying to do something unusual and different with Banner and Ock, but the swarm tiles thing isn't really that different, and it's specced way too poorly to be worth a damn. There've been a few characters lately where you just wonder what they were thinking. Maybe you can't totally tell whether the mechanic is as clever as you think it is until the player-base gets hold of it, but when the numbers are too low to start with you're dead in the water either way.

HoundofShadow

I think the main weakness is her swarm damage that hit like 4*. Probably, she can receive 50% true heal and 50% burst heal.

Colognoisseur

Wasp is a case where the caution of the developers went too far. If they had cut 2-3 ap off the casting costs she would be good. In the Sim PvE I got the yellow>black>blue call the swarm off in the 5e. It is a nice board shaking effect leading to cascades which do add damage and ap. I always got one of my other actives ready to go after triggering the Swarm which usually finished the match. I kept thinking if they were only a little cheaper she would be pretty good.

It is a good example of the line the developers have to walk. One way can produce an OP 900 lb. Gorilla and the other way produces a puny 90 lb. Weakling.

For now she is worst of the 5* tier almost exclusively because her abilities cost too much.

whitecat31

In a simple answer. She is bad and the worst five star that has been made. 

Her sting doesn't sting. No stun.

Her shrink doesn't shrink herself.

Her heal doesn't heal. (Not true healing)

Bzhai

whitecat31 said:

In a simple answer. She is bad and the worst five star that has been made. 

Her sting doesn't sting. No stun.

Her shrink doesn't shrink herself.

Her heal doesn't heal. (Not true healing)

And her swarm is more like an annoying mosquito instead of a death cloud of apocalyptic locusts as its name implies.

Steve111

She’s just a passenger and does not contribute to victory in the slightest. At least Doc Ock has a convoluted way to win the game. At least Banner can transform into another creature hat gives free match damage. Wasp does not have any redeeming features. 

sambrookjm

I never thought I would see the day when multiple people were defending Banner/Hulk....but here we are.

evade420

Banner > hope

Borstock

Didn't 4* Wasp get a buff post-release? Maybe they're going to do a legacy buff. XD

Honestly, they could probably just switch the 4* and 5* Wasps and you'd have something.

DAZ0273

4* Wasp (and 3* Falcon) got buffed in a short time of each other which provided them with perfect synergy. That was one of the best Dev buffs I've seen.

Maybe history will repeat.

Carnifexx

Actually Hope is awesome! She makes me feel better about Ock and Banner, I didn’t think anything could do that!

abmoraz

sambrookjm said:

I never thought I would see the day when multiple people were defending Banner/Hulk....but here we are.

That is the only reason needed to know how bad Hope is.

Phumade

You really have to wonder what their line of thinking was...  Even with their other duds,  you could see what they were attempting to accomplish.  This seems like some student intern project, and the kid had to go back to school before the design phase was finished.

The same thing happened to Civil War captain america.  IM40 Amazing.  CW cap amazingly bad.

Straycat

I thought she might be underrated because a defense oriented support character is just not built for speed. And slow=bad on the forums. But then I remembered that OBW is maybe the best 2*, and has basically the same kit. Steal ap, burst heal, extra match damage. So in conclusion, she is not good enough at her support job to warrant how little damage she does.

Hendross

Carnifexx said:

Actually Hope is awesome! She makes me feel better about Ock and Banner, I didn’t think anything could do that!

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