Why I won't buy Lyra Dawnbringer...
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andrewvanmarle said:I - did- buy Lyra because she is pretty and I wanted to have her...
Slavery is bad...0 -
Deck slots still has high cost0
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babar3355 said:
That's right... I DIDN'T BUY LYRA BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE 2 DECK SLOTS! -- BTW... not paying 20 crystals for one. Oh well, guess you guys just don't like revenue.I bought Lyra because I can rebuild decks whenever I want and not break rule 15! ---- I paid crystals for one. yeppers, they do like their revenue.
lol
Seriously though... why would this even be a reason? If you had three decks then you would likely be back in here claiming the same thing because you don't want to mar your builds. And if you had 10 slots you would be in here saying I've enough builds saved in other PW why would I buy this shiny mythic? I've got enough viable builds that I don't need it.
Another thing I find odd is why the return to the QB days of "change my perfect build? Uh no way... not another dime until you don't try to make me change my builds anymore" ... the beauty of this game is being able to change up your builds... not horde them.
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If they liked their revenue they'd do something like:
$10 Deck Slot Deal!!!
Get a "free" extra deck slot on every single Planeswalker, including any new ones you buy, forever!
(Oh, and here's a few crystals and things too, just for the sake of it.)
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I'm of the mind that the low cost extra slot is a temporary thing for those who bought early. I won't be the least surprised to see those extra slots go up in cost in a few weeks when they enter the vault.Kinesia said:If they liked their revenue they'd do something like:
$10 Deck Slot Deal!!!
Get a "free" extra deck slot on every single Planeswalker, including any new ones you buy, forever!
(Oh, and here's a few crystals and things too, just for the sake of it.)0 -
I personally don't like the "pay for convenience" mentality. I guess that's something you enjoy. I hear they charge to use shopping carts at some grocery stores... You should check it out!Gunmix25 said:babar3355 said: km
That's right... I DIDN'T BUY LYRA BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE 2 DECK SLOTS! -- BTW... not paying 20 crystals for one. Oh well, guess you guys just don't like revenue.I bought Lyra because I can rebuild decks whenever I want and not break rule 15! ---- I paid crystals for one. yeppers, they do like their revenue.
lol
Seriously though... why would this even be a reason? If you had three decks then you would likely be back in here claiming the same thing because you don't want to mar your builds. And if you had 10 slots you would be in here saying I've enough builds saved in other PW why would I buy this shiny mythic? I've got enough viable builds that I don't need it.
Another thing I find odd is why the return to the QB days of "change my perfect build? Uh no way... not another dime until you don't try to make me change my builds anymore" ... the beauty of this game is being able to change up your builds... not horde them.
Although I do agree that some people would probably complain even if we had 10 free slots, that's a pretty bad argument for why 1 free one and 3 max is the right number.
But even if that is the right number, can we at least save our decks from events for the next time it is run? The challenge of the game should not be managing storage space from screenshots of your decks, keeping accurate spreadsheets, or a tinykitty journal of your event decks.
Ridiculous.
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Nor should the challenge of playing the game be managing how to get through an event with locked builds because one refuses to change anything. I hear that floppy disks are still all the rage for nostalgic people. You should go check that out!babar3355 said:
I personally don't like the "pay for convenience" mentality. I guess that's something you enjoy. I hear they charge to use shopping carts at some grocery stores... You should check it out!Gunmix25 said:babar3355 said: km
That's right... I DIDN'T BUY LYRA BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE 2 DECK SLOTS! -- BTW... not paying 20 crystals for one. Oh well, guess you guys just don't like revenue.I bought Lyra because I can rebuild decks whenever I want and not break rule 15! ---- I paid crystals for one. yeppers, they do like their revenue.
lol
Seriously though... why would this even be a reason? If you had three decks then you would likely be back in here claiming the same thing because you don't want to mar your builds. And if you had 10 slots you would be in here saying I've enough builds saved in other PW why would I buy this shiny mythic? I've got enough viable builds that I don't need it.
Another thing I find odd is why the return to the QB days of "change my perfect build? Uh no way... not another dime until you don't try to make me change my builds anymore" ... the beauty of this game is being able to change up your builds... not horde them.
Although I do agree that some people would probably complain even if we had 10 free slots, that's a pretty bad argument for why 1 free one and 3 max is the right number.
But even if that is the right number, can we at least save our decks from events for the next time it is run? The challenge of the game should not be managing storage space from screenshots of your decks, keeping accurate spreadsheets, or a tinykitty journal of your event decks.
Ridiculous.
I like the pay convenience simply because the hours given to this game costs more in the long run, not monetarily, but in terms of chasing cards that I would like to play. I don't buy crystals. I do buy sure deals like PW or cards.
The only builds I store are for events. I'm sorry, but no amount of deck slots are going to compensate for the variations of each event. So to teams that work on providing sheets to record successful builds. Kudos to them. They should never be shamed for it. It's ingenuity at work, whether you care to be a part of it or not. That is exactly what that is. The only builds I keep are ones I like to use for certain Across Ixalan colors or my fun TG build of the week. I love refining builds because that is what drew me to mtg in the first place. If I wanted to play something that is inflexible... I'll play checkers.0 -
[[MOD MIC ON]] Things are getting a bit heated, let's take it down a notch! [[//MOD MIC OFF]]2
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Interesting, so the gameplay variety is provided not by rotating challenges/objectives, optimizing strategies, and resticting cards, but by forcing fallible humans to recreate decks to combat static content... Erm, ok then. We agree to disagree.
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There are so many things going on in this post that I don't know where to start.
1. If you're not buying Lyra specifically because you don't have a H2 deckslot, it's your loss. I've played her with 12/13 of the PW she can run in (no bother with H1) and she shines most in Elspeth and Teferi (Both pleasant surprises because I already run angel tribal in Aj1 and Sorin for legacy and love those decks -- not the best place for her though). She offers the owner a definite play advantage and she's fun and versatile in both Legacy and Standard.
2. If saving deck pictures is a problem for anyone because of storage, I suggest using Imgur. You can upload all of your decks and even your score claim screen into one unlisted file and save it with the event name. Bonus -- it makes it easier to share photos on the forum! (Let's get those deckbuilding and events subforums moving!)
3. Honestly, I think you should be able to buy as many deckslots as you want -- and are willing to pay for (I wouldn't because I like to use all of my PW -- it helps me enjoy the game on a more diverse level, especially with the lack of things to do for vets -- and if I had every deck i loved saved, I would never be encouraged to build more decks I love), but....
4. In my opinion, asking for any, much less unlimited deck slots for free is counterproductive to the relationship we have built with D3 Go! and Oktagon. We fought for deck slots and we agreed as a community that this is a feature we would pay for. Asking that they now be free is like the devs or D3 nerfing Baral or Gilded Lotus -- the majority of players here don't like it when they do it to us, so we probably shouldn't do it to them -- this is better known as the ethic of reciprocity (or The Golden Rule for believers).
Overall, we have the right to spend our money how we see fit. Lyra was a wonderful purchase for me -- I'm in a big engagement slump in the game right now and she has already provided me with HOURS of entertainment (but not the hours we were all locked out tonight). I don't think I've been this excited about a card since Imminent Doom. It's like they looked at Gisela and said "This is a great card! Let's make it 100x better, much prettier, and only charge 3 more mana." (Yes, please, Oktagon -- take my money!)1 -
Currently you can buy deck slots with either runes or crystals, it doesn't break F2P to add an extra paid option on top of that.
It's not something you "need" to the same level as Event decks (prior to having those I'd label things as broken and unplayable, but that fixed a LOT).
Paying for convenience... Well, there are levels? We need a certain level of convenience or things aren't usable. Paying for _more_ convenience on top of that level, that's normal. F2P games usually run on "time or money" principle and having to manage your decks externally increases the time part, so it's totally fine to _offer_ people something to overcome that, it's just not fine to make it _required_, they are very different.
I was suggesting $10 for 1 for every PW forever because that is a price I would _personally_ pay. I'd look at it, be slightly annoyed but grit my teeth and pay. I am NOT willing to grind for enough runes or gold to buy 1 for everyone, but I AM willing to grind a day at my job to do so.
No-one else has to if they don't want! This is just about me. I just happen to think I'm not alone...
As for buying mythics... $10 is about my limit for that too. I bought Jhoira and I'd probably buy Lyra at the same price, but I won't pay more. Including more crystals and runes and the like does _not_ increase the value for me because I'd never pay for any of those things at all.3 -
For many of us this game REPLACED paper magic. From that point of view spending some money here and there is way less than the equivalent to play competitively in TCG.TomB said:Man, you guys have WAY too much money to be throwing it around like this on a mobile phone app...
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Another thought on this -- at one point, there was a discussion about what a monthly subscription would look like.Kinesia said:Currently you can buy deck slots with either runes or crystals, it doesn't break F2P to add an extra paid option on top of that.
It's not something you "need" to the same level as Event decks (prior to having those I'd label things as broken and unplayable, but that fixed a LOT).
Paying for convenience... Well, there are levels? We need a certain level of convenience or things aren't usable. Paying for _more_ convenience on top of that level, that's normal. F2P games usually run on "time or money" principle and having to manage your decks externally increases the time part, so it's totally fine to _offer_ people something to overcome that, it's just not fine to make it _required_, they are very different.
I was suggesting $10 for 1 for every PW forever because that is a price I would _personally_ pay. I'd look at it, be slightly annoyed but grit my teeth and pay. I am NOT willing to grind for enough runes or gold to buy 1 for everyone, but I AM willing to grind a day at my job to do so.
No-one else has to if they don't want! This is just about me. I just happen to think I'm not alone...
As for buying mythics... $10 is about my limit for that too. I bought Jhoira and I'd probably buy Lyra at the same price, but I won't pay more. Including more crystals and runes and the like does _not_ increase the value for me because I'd never pay for any of those things at all.
Most people thought it would be a ticket to P2W -- however the argument was about what if it was just something that offered convenience or ease of gameplay.
What if part of a monthly subscription was 1-2 extra deck slots? Other things could be tacked on (like reduced entry to TotP), but that's another thread.1 -
Mmm, that would be good. I guess they would do 10 for one pw and 100 for all your pwsKinesia said:If they liked their revenue they'd do something like:
$10 Deck Slot Deal!!!
Get a "free" extra deck slot on every single Planeswalker, including any new ones you buy, forever!
(Oh, and here's a few crystals and things too, just for the sake of it.)0 -
The deals are pretty overpriced for my taste. I could buy just the single card for a much smaller sum.
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Ah. Please don't start this again.bken1234 said:
Another thought on this -- at one point, there was a discussion about what a monthly subscription would look like.Kinesia said:Currently you can buy deck slots with either runes or crystals, it doesn't break F2P to add an extra paid option on top of that.
It's not something you "need" to the same level as Event decks (prior to having those I'd label things as broken and unplayable, but that fixed a LOT).
Paying for convenience... Well, there are levels? We need a certain level of convenience or things aren't usable. Paying for _more_ convenience on top of that level, that's normal. F2P games usually run on "time or money" principle and having to manage your decks externally increases the time part, so it's totally fine to _offer_ people something to overcome that, it's just not fine to make it _required_, they are very different.
I was suggesting $10 for 1 for every PW forever because that is a price I would _personally_ pay. I'd look at it, be slightly annoyed but grit my teeth and pay. I am NOT willing to grind for enough runes or gold to buy 1 for everyone, but I AM willing to grind a day at my job to do so.
No-one else has to if they don't want! This is just about me. I just happen to think I'm not alone...
As for buying mythics... $10 is about my limit for that too. I bought Jhoira and I'd probably buy Lyra at the same price, but I won't pay more. Including more crystals and runes and the like does _not_ increase the value for me because I'd never pay for any of those things at all.
Most people thought it would be a ticket to P2W -- however the argument was about what if it was just something that offered convenience or ease of gameplay.
What if part of a monthly subscription was 1-2 extra deck slots? Other things could be tacked on (like reduced entry to TotP), but that's another thread.
I have stuck through every up and down of this game since it started. Also don't mind spending money here and there when I feel like it. But if anything can kill my enthusiasm or will to play it would be the monthly tax.
Yes, I used the word tax.5 -
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Personally, I think increasing the number of deck slots you get for the already existing purchases (without changing the cost) would be really helpful. Say, three for the rune purchase (which really doesn't need the level 60 requirement) and five for the crystal purchase. Anyone who already bought them gets more deck slots immediately, and they're much more enticing to those who don't have them yet. I'd also like every Planeswalker to start with at least a Legacy and a Standard slot, but that doesn't seem likely at this point.
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Why would an optional subscription fee be a tax? It’s optional.khurram said:
Ah. Please don't start this again.bken1234 said:
Another thought on this -- at one point, there was a discussion about what a monthly subscription would look like.Kinesia said:Currently you can buy deck slots with either runes or crystals, it doesn't break F2P to add an extra paid option on top of that.
It's not something you "need" to the same level as Event decks (prior to having those I'd label things as broken and unplayable, but that fixed a LOT).
Paying for convenience... Well, there are levels? We need a certain level of convenience or things aren't usable. Paying for _more_ convenience on top of that level, that's normal. F2P games usually run on "time or money" principle and having to manage your decks externally increases the time part, so it's totally fine to _offer_ people something to overcome that, it's just not fine to make it _required_, they are very different.
I was suggesting $10 for 1 for every PW forever because that is a price I would _personally_ pay. I'd look at it, be slightly annoyed but grit my teeth and pay. I am NOT willing to grind for enough runes or gold to buy 1 for everyone, but I AM willing to grind a day at my job to do so.
No-one else has to if they don't want! This is just about me. I just happen to think I'm not alone...
As for buying mythics... $10 is about my limit for that too. I bought Jhoira and I'd probably buy Lyra at the same price, but I won't pay more. Including more crystals and runes and the like does _not_ increase the value for me because I'd never pay for any of those things at all.
Most people thought it would be a ticket to P2W -- however the argument was about what if it was just something that offered convenience or ease of gameplay.
What if part of a monthly subscription was 1-2 extra deck slots? Other things could be tacked on (like reduced entry to TotP), but that's another thread.
I have stuck through every up and down of this game since it started. Also don't mind spending money here and there when I feel like it. But if anything can kill my enthusiasm or will to play it would be the monthly tax.
Yes, I used the word tax.
I enjoy movies. I pay a yearly fee to get $5 tickets in Tuesday, points on my purchases which lead to cash discounts and other exclusive special offers. This is my choice — and an investment I make in my hobby.
MtGPQ is my other hobby. I would gladly pay a small monthly subscription fee or yearly subscription for special offers and conveniences that don’t give me any kind of competitive edge, but do offer me a more comfortable and convenient way (like an additional deck slot every month) to play the game. Again, this would be my choice, not an obligation for anyone who plays the game.
Taxes are mandates — it’s not a fair or accurate comparison.1 -
But I only make her iron my shirts, no naughty stuff.....Kinesia said:andrewvanmarle said:I - did- buy Lyra because she is pretty and I wanted to have her...
Slavery is bad...
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