How do you like your AI?

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  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    Oh right, I want him variable based on tier.  I want the Ixalan version for Platinum.
  • sjechua
    sjechua Posts: 173 Tile Toppler
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    Diamond tier :wink: (the non-existent tier above Platinum)
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    I want him Super Smart and Difficult (better than Ixalan version)
    madwren said:

    having an optimal AI would remove the enjoyment of playing for many people and replace it with high levels of frustration
    It's a fair point.  I would qualify my desire for a strong AI by saying I'd like the AI to be capable of playing very strongly, and use that strength where appropriate.  But I can see there are match types in which it'd be better for the AI to play at a weaker level (most obviously, the very first encounters a new player has when playing the game.  But there are many others.)
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    Well, I just had the first match were the ai reached enough loyalty to ultimate on turn 4..instead on summoning her Krakens, Kiora used her first on every turn as long as the match went. That's just stupid
  • Gilesclone
    Gilesclone Posts: 735 Critical Contributor
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    I got beat by Ob Nix and his ultimate yesterday.  

    I’d like the AI to depend on tier, but hard for platinum.

    I’m platinum.
  • ElfNeedsFood
    ElfNeedsFood Posts: 944 Critical Contributor
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    bken1234 said:
    I liked Ixalan Greg -- however, I'm noticing most of the people who chose the same as I did are in Platinum. I wish there were a way to distinguish what tier you are in. I still think tiered Greg would be better -- we could even give him different names -- Bronze Bob, Silver Sam, Gold Pete and Platinum Greg. 

    Well -- maybe I'll think of that more after some sleep. 
    Bob can be such a bumbler. 
  • khurram
    khurram Posts: 1,090 Chairperson of the Boards
    I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
    Platinum
  • TomB
    TomB Posts: 269 Mover and Shaker
    edited March 2018
    I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
    I agree with most of you that the AI should be tiered in difficulty, being smarter as you progress in Mastery. I also think that sometimes the cascades can be a bit ridiculous, but as long as they go both ways I'm ok with that.

    I am in Gold... :)
  • gogol666
    gogol666 Posts: 316 Mover and Shaker
    edited March 2018
    I want him Kind of Smart and Difficult (Current version, but with the use of all 3 abilities)
    I opted for this version plus all the abilities, because I feel its match making is closer to a human player that sometimes makes mistake, but I would like it to be able to use everything.
    I also think the likelihood for Greg to make mistake could be modulated according to how good a player is performing in an event: the maximum smartness will be used for players that don't lose any point, but, as soon as you start dropping points, the smartness is tuned down proportionally in terms of a higher likelihood for Greg to choose a wrong match.
    So, players that can stay perfect are always facing smartest Greg, while others get some slightly easier matches and players dropping a lot of points will get the easiest Greg.
    What do you think?

    I wouldn't change the smartness over tiers because players of different tiers are mixed together in coalition rewards

    Edit: grammar
  • Sardaukar
    Sardaukar Posts: 5 Just Dropped In
    I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
    I want an option who let me choose the difficulty.
    For example: it can be a good start for a BRAND NEW GAME SECTION - THE ARENA (PVE) 
    Tier 1 (bronze) with minimum reward / 100 runes 
    Tier 2 (silver) with better reward / 150 runes and 1 mana crystal
    Tier 3 (gold) with better reward / 200 runes and 3 mc
    Tier 4 (platinum) with better reward/ 250 runes and 5 mc
    Tier 5 (masterpiece) where players can use just mythic and masterpiece cards, AI very strong an rewards verry good
    - 500 runes, 10 mc and one card (min. Uncommon)

    Rewards will be just for victory
    This section will be like training grounds but against AI
    Players will choose before the game the diff of AI

    In this way i think the game will more dinamic. Why? Because it wil provide:
    1. difficulties for any type of players, who will cover all those 6 option from this poll.
    2. motivation to level up your deck to compete in higher tier to get better rewards
    3. Players wont wait 24 h to get new 15 mc and 1k runes in training grounds.

    Im in platinum (red) and gold in other colors.
    Thank you!
  • Skiglass6
    Skiglass6 Posts: 149 Tile Toppler
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    I wanted to vote variable because I think variable is best but I voted this level because it is the level I want to play at. Although I read that at this time that Greg knew where the trap gems are form a source I believe. This is not ok to me. If Greg wants to change mana denial prioirtization when trap gems are on the board this is fine. But if Greg keeps mana denial near the top but doesn’t match the mana denial because a trap gem is there, this is 100% cheating. 
  • Skiglass6
    Skiglass6 Posts: 149 Tile Toppler
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    I also want it based on tier, but super hard for plat. this includes better card ordering, ability use and such more than matching gems.
    I would be ok with this super smart Greg but I think that there would be a lot more balancing that would continually need to be done. I am just not sure if we would get that. 
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2018
    I want him Almost Smart and Difficult (Current Version)
    Skiglass6 said:
    I also want it based on tier, but super hard for plat. this includes better card ordering, ability use and such more than matching gems.
    I would be ok with this super smart Greg but I think that there would be a lot more balancing that would continually need to be done. I am just not sure if we would get that. 
    I would be, personally, disappointed if they difficulty were ramped up to 11 for platinum with no way to get out of that tier. I don't want to play against a super hard AI. Ixalan AI was already often smarter at matches than I am, and if it were even harder than that, I can say for certain that I would lose over 75% of my matches. I was already struggling with him as he was before, especially in Training Grounds. I think they've hit a good spot for him right now. Not too hard, but also not an absolute moron.

    AI difficulty shouldn't be determined by how many cards you've played with as that's no indication of your personal skill at the match-3 portion of the game. The harder difficulty, I still say, should be an opt-in rather than something just thrown on you. Else you risk losing players who no longer find the game fun and rather just see it as frustrating.
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    wereotter said:
    Skiglass6 said:
    I also want it based on tier, but super hard for plat. this includes better card ordering, ability use and such more than matching gems.
    I would be ok with this super smart Greg but I think that there would be a lot more balancing that would continually need to be done. I am just not sure if we would get that. 
    I would be, personally, disappointed if they difficulty were ramped up to 11 for platinum with no way to get out of that tier. I don't want to play against a super hard AI. Ixalan AI was already often smarter at matches than I am, and if it were even harder than that, I can say for certain that I would lose over 75% of my matches. I was already struggling with him as he was before, especially in Training Grounds. I think they've hit a good spot for him right now. Not too hard, but also not an absolute moron.

    AI difficulty shouldn't be determined by how many cards you've played with as that's no indication of your personal skill at the match-3 portion of the game. The harder difficulty, I still say, should be an opt-in rather than something just thrown on you. Else you risk losing players who no longer find the game fun and rather just see it as frustrating.

    Nah it's a moron. I've seen it on multiple occasions avoid match-3's of its own color to take an off-color match for no real advantage. At a certain point, it's like, don't insult my intelligence. I don't think it's a good spot at all.
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Almost Smart and Difficult (Current Version)
    wereotter said:
    Skiglass6 said:
    I also want it based on tier, but super hard for plat. this includes better card ordering, ability use and such more than matching gems.
    I would be ok with this super smart Greg but I think that there would be a lot more balancing that would continually need to be done. I am just not sure if we would get that. 
    I would be, personally, disappointed if they difficulty were ramped up to 11 for platinum with no way to get out of that tier. I don't want to play against a super hard AI. Ixalan AI was already often smarter at matches than I am, and if it were even harder than that, I can say for certain that I would lose over 75% of my matches. I was already struggling with him as he was before, especially in Training Grounds. I think they've hit a good spot for him right now. Not too hard, but also not an absolute moron.

    AI difficulty shouldn't be determined by how many cards you've played with as that's no indication of your personal skill at the match-3 portion of the game. The harder difficulty, I still say, should be an opt-in rather than something just thrown on you. Else you risk losing players who no longer find the game fun and rather just see it as frustrating.

    Nah it's a moron. I've seen it on multiple occasions avoid match-3's of its own color to take an off-color match for no real advantage. At a certain point, it's like, don't insult my intelligence. I don't think it's a good spot at all.
    Well then I must be a moron too, since I stated he plays about on par with me. I miss match threes on my own colors sometimes too. 
  • jtwood
    jtwood Posts: 1,285 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    Gold here. I like the idea that a perfect finish in a coalition event should be fairly remarkable, not standard fare. 
  • Kinesia
    Kinesia Posts: 1,621 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    jtwood said:
    Gold here. I like the idea that a perfect finish in a coalition event should be fairly remarkable, not standard fare. 

    This. I would like things adjusted so that (at most) 1 person in the whole game gets a perfect score per event with sometimes NOONE getting it. 
    Progression should be doable with just a reasonable bit of time committed (so beginners can miss nodes and objectives and lose a few games and still get it) but that the absolute top scores should be very very close to impossible.
    But I know that that will cause huge uproar even in some of the people arguing for harder AI, partly because things ARE so very random right now. Maybe if there weren't such big "number 1" prizes it would help, maybe there should just be "top 50" prizes and number 1 was ONLY was boasting, not for actual rewards.
  • FindingHeart8
    FindingHeart8 Posts: 2,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
    I'm okay with a not-super-difficult AI.  I enjoy a good challenge but every battle feeling like a final-boss gets tiresome and counterproductive to testing out new deck ideas or playing a thematic deck for fun.
  • arNero
    arNero Posts: 358 Mover and Shaker
    Other (please specify)
    Discussing about AI smartness, to me, is pointless when the AI just keeps getting infinite cascades with full hand cast while leaving you with loyalty gems to catch up. Even if the AI currently is a little dumb, it's pointless when we get 1 match per turn and they get 10000.