How do you like your AI?

Mburn7
Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
edited March 2018 in MtGPQ General Discussion
So with all the changes to Greg, the (sometimes) friendly AI opponent we all face, what version do you all want?

How do you like your AI? 62 votes

I want him Super Smart and Difficult (better than Ixalan version)
9%
VolrakZzyzzxTHEMAGICkMANDumasAGThuranKronul 6 votes
I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
37%
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I want him Kind of Smart and Difficult (Current version, but with the use of all 3 abilities)
19%
madwrenandrewvanmarleScotcampFurordracorafaleleWaschechtTilwin90PhillmooreGunmix25Sirchombligogol666Bil 12 votes
I want him Almost Smart and Difficult (Current Version)
6%
Steve111wereotterNinjaEMarvaddin 4 votes
I want him Super Derpy (Pre-Ixalan Version)
3%
joergingerBrakkis 2 votes
I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
19%
khurramDodecapodStormcrowCorn_NoodlesHoudinTomBFindingHeart8TheF3C3SK1ngDBJonesCoilboxSardaukarLars 12 votes
Other (please specify)
4%
arNeroFroggyTheExaminer 3 votes
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Comments

  • Froggy
    Froggy Posts: 511 Critical Contributor
    Other (please specify)
    The Examiner has explained it above.

    I want a good AI. But not one that gets 5000 cascades a turn.
  • Lars
    Lars Posts: 33 Just Dropped In
    edited March 2018
    I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
    I want him super smart all the time for me, but if other new or casual players want him to be less smart, I'm OK with that. Bring in a new upper level Diamond mastery tier and have super smart Greg play just at that level.

    <edit> I'm in Platinum
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited March 2018
    I want him Almost Smart and Difficult (Current Version)
    Lars said:
    I want him super smart all the time for me, but if other new or casual players want him to be less smart, I'm OK with that. Bring in a new upper level Diamond mastery tier and have super smart Greg play just at that level.
    Having a higher level mastery for that I think might be a good solution as long as it’s an opt-in and not something a player who just like to play around with lots of different cards will unwittingly fall into, or will end up on just as a result of length of time playing the game. 

    Edit: I’m in platinum mastery per request to divulge below. 
  • DBJones
    DBJones Posts: 803 Critical Contributor
    I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
    I agree with TheExaminer, fix the cascades first. They make games even more luck-based than before, which is discouraging. Also, I do think the AI should actually use Planeswalker's abilities, which currently is kinda funky.
  • Brigby
    Brigby ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 7,757 Site Admin
    Hi Everyone. I think this is rather intriguing and informative, and I'm certainly curious what the results will be.

    If I may request one thing though: would players please post what Color Mastery they're in as well? Thank you!
  • deletedgone
    deletedgone Posts: 166 Tile Toppler
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    Platinum here
  • DBJones
    DBJones Posts: 803 Critical Contributor
    I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
    Silver tier.
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Kind of Smart and Difficult (Current version, but with the use of all 3 abilities)
    Although I voted "kind of smart", I actually think somewhere between "Kind of smart" and "Very smart" is where happiness lies.  I'm in platinum.  I don't mind the challenge, but I think the "very smart" was fairly brutal against players with small collections or little experience.
  • Furordraco
    Furordraco Posts: 142 Tile Toppler
    edited March 2018
    I want him Kind of Smart and Difficult (Current version, but with the use of all 3 abilities)
    Plat. I don't mind tough games. I do mind impossible games and Uber easy games. Seems like a middle ground from the greg of Ixa and the current greg would be a good solution

    Ok you got me. I don't mind sometimes Uber easy games :D
  • Volrak
    Volrak Posts: 732 Critical Contributor
    I want him Super Smart and Difficult (better than Ixalan version)
    (Platinum)  In some sense, an ideal would be if the AI could find every optimal play that the best human players can see.  We've never been all that close to that point yet.  Everything else is some variation on easy mode.
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    Platinum
  • THEMAGICkMAN
    THEMAGICkMAN Posts: 697 Critical Contributor
    I want him Super Smart and Difficult (better than Ixalan version)
    I also want it based on tier, but super hard for plat. this includes better card ordering, ability use and such more than matching gems.
  • Bil
    Bil Posts: 831 Critical Contributor
    edited March 2018
    I want him Kind of Smart and Difficult (Current version, but with the use of all 3 abilities)
        I choosed this option because it seems to be a balance beetween challenge and accessibility.
        I think  that an harder IA would be more interesting but it would probably mean longer games (in particular with secondaries to complete). 
        This game is already more time-consuming than a chronatog ... with so many daily nodes, longer games would be a real pain to deal with ...

    Edit : platinum
  • UweTellkampf
    UweTellkampf Posts: 376 Mover and Shaker
    edited March 2018
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    Guys, turning off the ult is just ridiculous. It's often the core of the game for every player to try to get there, and it should mean the uttermost danger if the AI gathers enough loyalty, which is rare, as it is. Please dont do this. This is not just dumbing down Greg, this is literally taking away all the suspense on our side. If you wanna do this for bronze tier - fine, but platinum is mostly experienced players who can often deal even with this kind of threat. 

    On discord we had many conversations about Ob using it's ult, and for many, it was a huge thrill to have to fight him while getting constant damage. It was most fun I had with this game in a while, a real challenge. Now, I got to play Koth in TG, he gets enough loyalty early in the game, but chooses to continue just destroying random gems, instead of going for the horror of his ult. That is just wrong.

    (Plat here)
  • madwren
    madwren Posts: 2,259 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Kind of Smart and Difficult (Current version, but with the use of all 3 abilities)
    Volrak said:
    (Platinum)  In some sense, an ideal would be if the AI could find every optimal play that the best human players can see.  We've never been all that close to that point yet.  Everything else is some variation on easy mode.

    I would posit that due to the very nature of this imperfect translation of Magic the Gathering (e.g., the removal of strategic choices such as choosing blockers or targeting supports, and the unrestricted/imbalanced mana gains leading to massive, swingy turns) that having an optimal AI would remove the enjoyment of playing for many people and replace it with high levels of frustration that would ultimately result in the game's demise. While I sympathize with the "PQ should be Dark Souls" mentality that some have, I don't think the game is well suited for it.


  • Gormhaus
    Gormhaus Posts: 190 Tile Toppler
    edited March 2018
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    I dont mind a smart Greg but i hate a lucky gem cascading Greg.

    Edit: gold
  • Mburn7
    Mburn7 Posts: 3,427 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    When I first started paying (pre Oath of the Gatewatch) the AI was really good.  It made  match fives (actually, it didnt make L matches until later) it used abilities intelligently (ex. wouldnt use Lily 1's first unless you had cards in your hand) and was generally a difficult opponent.  I want that back.  The Ixalan version was the closest to that, I feel.

    I do think tiered difficulty is a good idea if possible, but it may not be as wonderful as many people seem to think.

    I am Platinum tier
  • Mainloop25
    Mainloop25 Posts: 1,959 Chairperson of the Boards
    I want him Very Smart and Difficult (same as Ixalan version)
    Can we at least have black planeswalkers use their abilities again? 
  • TheF3C3SK1ng
    TheF3C3SK1ng Posts: 31 Just Dropped In
    I wan him variable based on Tier or other qualifying thing
    Platinum

    I like feeling challenged, so prefer the difficult gregg, but can't imagine having to deal with it like that as a n00b.