mohio said: @Jarvind - you joined the dev team? congratulations! Snark aside - it's a bit arrogant to say that this behavior is "going against the intended gameplay" without any direct knowledge of what is intended or not. Based on comments I've seen before, I don't think the developers even really intended on people shield hopping at all, but that's what started happening and they embraced it. Seeing as its been over a year since cupcakes were replaced by grills, I would be hard pressed to agree that grills are completely unintended by the development team. They could easily change it so your defense team is always the 100% best, hardest, most hitpoints, or whatever team, but they have not done that (and as others pointed out - people would figure out how to game that system too)The OP was answered - I think quite satisfactorily - so this thread should really just be closed. It can only go downhill from here.
Jarvind said: Jesus, steaks or grills or cakes or crème brûlées or whatever they're called now might not "exploit" an actual error in the game code, but they're obviously going against the intended gameplay in order to artificially generate more points for those in on the scheme. Nitpicking the definition of "exploit" is just a desperate attempt to deflect attention from blatant cheesing.I'm not laboring under the delusion that my saying this will stop anyone from doing it, but good lord, stop lying to yourself about it. This is like the MPQ version of trickle down economics.
mohio said: My only qualm with what you've said is that this thread is not evolving into back and forth about what PvP should look like, it's simply the same thing we see every so often of one side of people claiming their way is "correct" and calling the other side snipers, and the other side claiming their way is "correct" and calling the other side point ****. I'm tired of it frankly. If you want a thread about how to fix PvP so people won't cooperate so much anymore then by all means make that thread. Complain about the season reward structure, or the alliance reward structure, or whatever you think is driving players behavior. Those would all be constructive conversations to have imo. The other stuff about cooperation vs. sniping and the morality/ethics/etc. behind it, is not constructive
evade420 said: Noobulator said: Hit as soon as you see it. Do this and you'll seriously tick off a hardcore player and you will likely get a bunch of ppl coming after you .Wait ~10 min then hit it
Noobulator said: Hit as soon as you see it.
Dragon_Nexus said: sinnerjfl said: Its perfectly fine to hit them, thats why they do it. Very rarely it's a trap but dont worry about that.If you're already shielded when you come across grills, have the decency to wait, it costs you nothing.Hitting them right away is fine if you're in a hurry but they dont have to do this for anyone you know, I appreciate the work these people put in and you should be thankful for it as well. I hope you're not suggesting I'm not grateful for the relatively free points, because I totally am. I was just making sure hitting these guys is an okay thing to do or if I'm going to bring the wrath of an alliance down on me or something.Now that I know what these guys are for, I'm in the right frame of mind for it all.
sinnerjfl said: Its perfectly fine to hit them, thats why they do it. Very rarely it's a trap but dont worry about that.If you're already shielded when you come across grills, have the decency to wait, it costs you nothing.Hitting them right away is fine if you're in a hurry but they dont have to do this for anyone you know, I appreciate the work these people put in and you should be thankful for it as well.
Welcome Death said: Quebbster said: It's called a grill team. High-level players put them out before shielding to give others an easy fight so they can gain points faster. With out of game communication you can chain grills and gain in points really fast, which is the reason for the high scores at the top of the scoreboard.Anyway, it's not a trap, so you shouldn't feel you can't hit it. However, you should not hit it immediately - give the player who put the grill out time to shield so they don't lose points over their kindness. There were other comments made along the same lines, that people grilling are doing it to help other people out and blah blah blah blah blah. People that are utilizing this exploit (cause that's what it is, an exploit) are doing so because they want to score really high so they and their friends take all the top spots in pvp. They do it so their hops are faster cause they're just hitting cakes. They don' do it to help you. Any crumbs you happen to find are just lucky coincidence, but they use the bounces from people not in their check rooms and lie to themselves (and you!) in acting like they're some benevolent point gods raining points down for you sorry people at the bottom. Hit it. Wait or don't wait. It doesn't matter. They're onlky hitting cupcakes anyway so your hit won't land, they'l already be done
Quebbster said: It's called a grill team. High-level players put them out before shielding to give others an easy fight so they can gain points faster. With out of game communication you can chain grills and gain in points really fast, which is the reason for the high scores at the top of the scoreboard.Anyway, it's not a trap, so you shouldn't feel you can't hit it. However, you should not hit it immediately - give the player who put the grill out time to shield so they don't lose points over their kindness.
Spudgutter said: mohio said: @Jarvind - you joined the dev team? congratulations! Snark aside - it's a bit arrogant to say that this behavior is "going against the intended gameplay" without any direct knowledge of what is intended or not. Based on comments I've seen before, I don't think the developers even really intended on people shield hopping at all, but that's what started happening and they embraced it. Seeing as its been over a year since cupcakes were replaced by grills, I would be hard pressed to agree that grills are completely unintended by the development team. They could easily change it so your defense team is always the 100% best, hardest, most hitpoints, or whatever team, but they have not done that (and as others pointed out - people would figure out how to game that system too)The OP was answered - I think quite satisfactorily - so this thread should really just be closed. It can only go downhill from here. Ironically, i used that same argument about tapping. It's been 10 months since they said something about it, so we can infer from their silence that they are ok with a small amount. With that said, they are changing how pvp is played every year. 1300 down to 1200. Introduction of shields(which led to the workaround on shielding), shield timers(which led to a workaround with cupcakes), changes your defensive team (which led to grills).Then they tried adjusting for wins based over several off seasons, then the actual season itself. No one knows what the next step (if any) will be.So, no, while i am not OP, i disagree that the matter is settled. I would rather this get 27 pages of back and forth, just like the nerf gambit thread, that goes unanswered by the devs as well.
Qubort said: Spudgutter said: mohio said: @Jarvind - you joined the dev team? congratulations! Snark aside - it's a bit arrogant to say that this behavior is "going against the intended gameplay" without any direct knowledge of what is intended or not. Based on comments I've seen before, I don't think the developers even really intended on people shield hopping at all, but that's what started happening and they embraced it. Seeing as its been over a year since cupcakes were replaced by grills, I would be hard pressed to agree that grills are completely unintended by the development team. They could easily change it so your defense team is always the 100% best, hardest, most hitpoints, or whatever team, but they have not done that (and as others pointed out - people would figure out how to game that system too)The OP was answered - I think quite satisfactorily - so this thread should really just be closed. It can only go downhill from here. Ironically, i used that same argument about tapping. It's been 10 months since they said something about it, so we can infer from their silence that they are ok with a small amount. With that said, they are changing how pvp is played every year. 1300 down to 1200. Introduction of shields(which led to the workaround on shielding), shield timers(which led to a workaround with cupcakes), changes your defensive team (which led to grills).Then they tried adjusting for wins based over several off seasons, then the actual season itself. No one knows what the next step (if any) will be.So, no, while i am not OP, i disagree that the matter is settled. I would rather this get 27 pages of back and forth, just like the nerf gambit thread, that goes unanswered by the devs as well. He's question was what is a loner team. So.....the OP questions is settled.
Daiches said: 8 tiomono said: Daiches said: Wheaton's Law seems unknown. Too bad I can't spell it out. It's basically "dont be a jerk". Which I feel could apply to both sides of the discussion.In game I feel if you see a beatable team worth good points you should hit it. That is not being a jerk. Hitting it immediately or waiting a bit also does not make you a jerk. Expecting everyone in the game to know unwritten rules and abide by them or get hit by several people hard and repeatedly, seems a little jerkish to me. I was referring to the hate campaign against the cooperative style of play in this and similar threads by advocates of the other playstyle. Like what you are doing here. Play the game. Don't hate or troll on those that play the way they prefer.
tiomono said: Daiches said: Wheaton's Law seems unknown. Too bad I can't spell it out. It's basically "dont be a jerk". Which I feel could apply to both sides of the discussion.In game I feel if you see a beatable team worth good points you should hit it. That is not being a jerk. Hitting it immediately or waiting a bit also does not make you a jerk. Expecting everyone in the game to know unwritten rules and abide by them or get hit by several people hard and repeatedly, seems a little jerkish to me.
Daiches said: Wheaton's Law seems unknown. Too bad I can't spell it out.
Daiches said: These threads are always good to remind people of Wheaton's Law.