Gunmix25 said: bken1234 said: The difference between Baral and Omni is that one is a mythic and one is a masterpiece — I maintain masterpieces should be more powerful than mythics and they shouldn’t be compared as to which is more broken. Also again — Omni is only broken if you have other key cards to make it sing — and also if you pull it. I have insane Omni decks that have lost simply because they depend on it and it wasn’t pulled. WotC learned that rarity is not a good reason for power. So power is now balanced by mana rather than by rarity. I do stand that "unique" cards can be rare due to some specialized effect ... but not because it is so powerful it can make a player call it "daddy" by the end of the match. haha
bken1234 said: The difference between Baral and Omni is that one is a mythic and one is a masterpiece — I maintain masterpieces should be more powerful than mythics and they shouldn’t be compared as to which is more broken. Also again — Omni is only broken if you have other key cards to make it sing — and also if you pull it. I have insane Omni decks that have lost simply because they depend on it and it wasn’t pulled.
shteev said: wereotter said: Omniscience in this game is, interestingly, weaker than its paper counterpart as in paper magic it just makes every card you play free until the enchantment goes away (or support in this case). It doesn't get weaker based on how many spells you cast for free. It's stronger in paper MTG if you ignore the fact it costs 7UUU. Which, I guess, you can do with Vintage/Legacy cards like Show and Tell. Does Omniscience see any play in Modern?
wereotter said: Omniscience in this game is, interestingly, weaker than its paper counterpart as in paper magic it just makes every card you play free until the enchantment goes away (or support in this case). It doesn't get weaker based on how many spells you cast for free.
wereotter said: shteev said: wereotter said: Omniscience in this game is, interestingly, weaker than its paper counterpart as in paper magic it just makes every card you play free until the enchantment goes away (or support in this case). It doesn't get weaker based on how many spells you cast for free. It's stronger in paper MTG if you ignore the fact it costs 7UUU. Which, I guess, you can do with Vintage/Legacy cards like Show and Tell. Does Omniscience see any play in Modern? Couldn't say, as I don't play either format. But as a commander player, I can say it does see play there.
Tilwin90 said: I couldn't have disagreed more that masterpieces should be blatantly overpowered just because they are masterpieces. Especially when they can be format warping like omniscience.
blacklotus said: Disclosure: I got a virgin Omniscience that haven't been used in any decks or events yet.
Lol :-) That explains everything !
I think it is not only a question of the card being really powerful in the hands of the AI (when he is able to cast it, I agree), but a question of game balance in general. Maybe if the AI loses 99% of the time it's because there are cards (or mechanisms, like cycling) that are too powerfull for the players' side.
And of course, I might reconsider this opinion the day I'll pick Omni :-)
Matthew said: I agree with @blacklotus on this one. I've encountered it a dozen or so times, and I didn't lose any of those matches. The AI would play the card, and then its effects would fizzle once the shield count dropped to zero. Perhaps I've been a little lucky. Perhaps not. But considering how stupid the AI is on hand prioritization, I'm inclined to doubt that it can be chalked up to luck.
I have had crashes cost me points (when it mattered) many more times than I've faced the 'infinite engines'.
And I've been on these forums long enough that if it's not one card getting blamed it's another. Nerf Omniscience and someone will start talking about how Drowner of Hope + From Beyond is overpowered because of its auto-lockdown. Or whatever the current power card or power couple is.
Remember when Kiora got nerfed? Koth took her place.
This gets a little stale.
babar3355 said: I got 1-shotted in TotP by @boopers Omniscience, Swarm, Whir, AotSS, etc. Greg managed to drop Omni on turn 2 and I didn't get another turn.He didn't get a ton of crazy match 5 cascades. The deck simply looped AotSS until I was dead. You guys can argue it is balanced all you want until you face something like that in an event that actually matters. Then you will realize the error in your judgement and come screaming on the forums.The broader point has already been touched on. Nothing in the game should be an infinite engine in a players hands regardless of if the AI can pilot it or not. Pseudo-infinite cycling shouldn't be a thing, Baral 1.0shouldn't be a thing, Gonti 1.0 shouldn't be a thing, and Omniscience/SI/Whir shouldn't be a thing.And at a more micro level, the card is simply too powerful even if it isn't abused in a looping deck. If you banned SI and Whir you would still have a card cast 4 cards for 17 mana. This makes the ramp provided by RX look minuscule and most agree that Rishkar's Expertise is broken. I would also argue that HuF is pretty broken in its current form for the same reasons.