[Movie Talk] Thor Ragnarok is awesome

Skygazing

STOPTHIS said:

How prevalent is the humor? The trailers make me think there's too much humor. 

There's a lot and IMO yes it's too much. Very fan service-y too. People complained about GotG2, but it's basically nonstop here with nowhere near the same level of character or emotional depth. Given the stakes and events of the movie it feels out of place.

Wasn't an objectively terrible movie (though it's a bit of a mess structurally), and I can see why people are raving about it, but I didn't really care for it and it falls into the bottom half of the MCU films for me.

DarqFeonix

Pongie said:

D4Ni13 said:

Pongie said:

I hope a new 5* Loki Is coming...

Matt Damon

This was a joke itself, lol. People didn't laughed out loud, but everybody was amuzed by that scene. 

I cracked up as soon as I saw him. Lucky it was a late session on opening day so only a dozen of us in the cinemas. Had me in stitches, so much that I didn’t even realise who was playing Thor and Odin.

I was dying at that scene... Best cameo since Eurotrip.  Odin was Sam Neill (he of Jurassic Park fame) and Thor was Luke Hemsworth (he of... brother fame?). It was great... 

I like to think they were the *actual* actors flown in from Midgard.

Dragon_Nexus

I kick myself for not noticing who any of them were.
I jumped on IMDB after watching the movie and went "Wait, Matt Damon was in the movie!? Where!?" and was so annoyed I hadn't noticed *any* of them.

iron-n-wine

Dragon_Nexus said:

I kick myself for not noticing who any of them were.
I jumped on IMDB after watching the movie and went "Wait, Matt Damon was in the movie!? Where!?" and was so annoyed I hadn't noticed *any* of them.

Same here, DN. Although I did think to myself "that guy playing 'Actor Thor' sure looks a lot like Chris Hemsworth"

Yet I was able to recognise the guy who says "Food or Fighter" from a friends wedding 11 years ago ahaha

TheWerebison

Need 6* Jeff Goldblum.

There was definitely a LOT of humor...and I find I'm okay with it. Maybe that's the secret to Marvel's popularity: they make it entertaining. The fights are great to watch (Thor gave me the best badass one-man moment since watching Vader at the end of Rogue One)(Also, makes me kinda want a Star Wars or Marvel themed Dynasty Warriors).

The interactions are part joke, part slapstick, part serious. They may be treading on the very fine line of how much is TOO much humor in these movies, but I can't lie and say I didn't laugh when Thor beaned himself with the dodgeball, or when I watched his interactions with Strange, or when Jeff Goldblum anything.

I would totally be okay with seeing more Thor characters in the game now: Hela, Valkyrie. How about the Warriors Three as a Cloak & Dagger type? Each Warrior as 1 color: when they are active, they have a passive ability and the other 2 colors are actives to change to a different one? Complicated, but hey, at least it'd be new, and this game ain't gonna stop adding characters anytime soon.

Jsh2014

This movie was awesome jokes were funny as heck the entire audience in the theater was laughing at the same time I think the Sakar timing was a little short could have elaborated a little further on Sakaar and I would agree that  They needed to have way more Hela in it but out of the 3 Thor movies it was the best 

UNC_Samurai

So Asgard is the newest craftworld?  

Is the Devil's Anus the Eye of Terror?  

Was Sakaar once known as Cadia?

fanghoul

Man, I am usually all about enthusiastic gushing, but I did not dig this movie.

Like, I loved a ton of the humor and the action and it was full of characters I loved doing things I loved and thought were cool, but the whole thing didn't work for me as a movie for some reason.

Skygazing said:

STOPTHIS said:

How prevalent is the humor? The trailers make me think there's too much humor. 

There's a lot and IMO yes it's too much. Very fan service-y too. People complained about GotG2, but it's basically nonstop here with nowhere near the same level of character or emotional depth. Given the stakes and events of the movie it feels out of place.

Wasn't an objectively terrible movie (though it's a bit of a mess structurally), and I can see why people are raving about it, but I didn't really care for it and it falls into the bottom half of the MCU films for me.

This basically gets at what I'm thinking. I love Marvel for it's humor, but it seemed to lean too heavily on this, to the point where it felt distracting in places, and the movie also didn't have any real emotional punch to it. Like, to the extent that the character who has by far, BY FAR, the most interesting character arc is a minor character that doesn't even show up in any of the movie posters. (He also pulls out an excellent example of Chekhov's guns.)

I mean, it's fine to make a movie like without a real emotional arc and I've certainly enjoyed Marvel movies that haven't had that sort of punch. I think the makers may have accidentally cued me into thinking I was watching a GotG move though via, well, everything, and this is not GotG. This is only people fighting and blowing up stuff plus humor. Which again, can be a great, but when I was expecting something more, it didn't work for me.

Astralgazer

Won't this thread get the SPOILER ALERT warning?

TheWerebison

Maybe it wouldn't have felt so over-the-top with the comedy if Korg and Miek weren't there. They were so off-the-wall it was obvious they were the comic relief, and you don't really need comic relief in a movie that already has a bunch of laughs.

DAZ0273

As well as all the Flash Gordon influences, there was a lot in the film from Walt Simonson's Thor run when it came to the actual Ragnarok parts (witness Surtur' s appearance alone) and his version of Thor did have a sense of humour and wit, so I didn't mind it.

But lets be honest: once you get to the bit where the Grandmaster is introduced, there really was no way back to taking thing seriously...

DAZ0273

As well as all the Flash Gordon influences, there was a lot in the film from Walt Simonson's Thor run when it came to the actual Ragnarok parts (witness Surtur' s appearance alone) and his version of Thor did have a sense of humour and wit, so I didn't mind it.

But lets be honest: once you get to the bit where the Grandmaster is introduced, there really was no way back to taking thing seriously...

purplemur

Emotional growth/depth:

- odin dies. Thor gets visited by the spirit of his dead dad at all the clutch scenes, motivating him to action
-Hulk by feeling emotions other than anger, weakens so that banner can gain control. 
-Banner's control on hulk isn't just contingent on anger - fear could also make him lose control.  He self sacrifices himself for his friends.
-Skurge's redemption
-Loki shows fear, regret, honor and some level of sympathy for Valkyrie. This is more than just being a plot device that is chaos. These are character motivations.
-Hela loves her puppy. 
- Valkyrie goes from running from /walling in her feelings to embracing them and motivating her back to heroic archetype

At what point in the trailers or media hype for the movie did people think this was gonna be an emotional masterwork? This is a MARVEL movie based on comicbook stories. Neither source nor production have a history of delivering gut punches to the feels. How many movies do we need to establish Thor's character and his motivations,his reasons for being: 2 standalone and 2 avengers movie's aren't enough? He doesn't need to be torn up by what it means to be honorable, or worthy of his dads approval. He has already wised up about battle tactics and strategy. Lets let him loose and see him romping on an adventure, he has fun and kicks donkey. Go watch a Woody Allen flick if you want characters that are always an unlikable emotional mess.
This movie was more like reading a comic book as a kid than any of the previous MCU or those DC garbage films. 

"I thought it was too funny", is that really an honest crit? get the tinykitty outta here with that meowmeow; If when deconstructing a comicbook movie and trying to take the high road and badmouth something for the sake of self aggrandizement; at least take a fanboy angle and get serious with comparing shot selection/tracking/ pacing, plot lines, costumes, fisticuff styles, source authors/artists/arc's etc. There can still be an engaging conversation about those particulars. For example we can have a debate on whether the slowmotion memory of the Valkyrie charge was necessary(I say NO, I want it in real time), or if the neon colors were getting a lil too close to Batman and Robin esqe, Should thor have had the physics lines about the Devils Anus? (I say yes: he did date Jane foster for like most of the last decade).

So until Quentin Tarantino directs the Alpha Flight television mini-series, Make mine Team Thor!

smkspy

I really liked it.

LOVED talking Hulk, and really hope audiences latch on to what the Hulk is really all about and let go of their 80s perfection of tv Hulk. CGI Hulk kinda stood out in places.

Tons of humor, but some of it very out of place especially with Korg in the final moments. But the welcome to Skaar ride was hilarious and reminded me of the roller coaster in fallout 4 nuka world.

Another technical criticism was that Loki's costume looked really cheap and the plastic stood out. It was more costume to me than Asgardian armor.

Keirain1982

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As great as Korg was, I was a little disappointed in him.

Its conflicting, on one hand he was a real highlight of the movie, but on the other he wasnt like he was in the book.

At least, to my memory - its been a while since I read it.

Both him and Miek were major players in Planet Hulk, but seem to have been completely changed for the movie. 

Id almost have preferred they werent Korg and Miek, just random funny aliens.

DAZ0273

Well to be fair, it wasn't really a faithful adaptation of Planet Hulk, more they took the base concept and then lots of liberties. So, no Korg is pretty different and his inclusion seems to be in part so they could make some rock paper scissor jokes...

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I get that, and in the scheme of things its a minor complaint.

I enjoyed the film a great deal and Korg was a big part of that.  Its just a detail that nags at me.

DAZ0273

No, I think it is a legitimate complaint to the extent they took it with Korg. In the book, he and the other gladiators actually teach Hulk how to fight tactically and are serious characters. However as Thor was the main antagonist this time and he is warrior thousands of years old, that wouldn't really make sense to be Korg's role. Thor already is a perfect gladiator. Although a "Rocky" training montage might have been fun.

alaeth

Is anyone else disappointed at the movie industry's shift to "3D ALL  THE THINGS!!!"?

Unfortunately 3D gives my severe headaches, but we managed to watch a matinee showing Sunday afternoon.