Alsmir said: Latest exploit, when tokens had increased 5* rates, was announced on these forums, by players. People open their hoards to abuse it and nothing was done. Not even a bloody warning to those who spread the info and adviced to use it, because it won't last long.Fairness? what's that?
Skrofa said: Alsmir said: Latest exploit, when tokens had increased 5* rates, was announced on these forums, by players. People open their hoards to abuse it and nothing was done. Not even a bloody warning to those who spread the info and adviced to use it, because it won't last long.Fairness? what's that? You seem to just repeat this when you have the chance and just ignore any other argument.Well... Just once more.Exploit: jumping through hoops to get something more than the developer intended.What happened last week: odds changed. The guy who opened the thread was even quite annoyed (I think!). A lot of people felt that those odds were favourable to them and proceeded to open their hoards. A lot of other people did not even know about the change (not everyone lives in this forum), and still opened.Now, stop being bitter and move on!
Orion said: farlus said: Anthony posted in Discord the stores were updated in error. No telling if that means it's a bug or just the timing was before they intended to actually make the change. I guess if you want Classics, then you'd better pull now before the odds so back down to 15%!
farlus said: Anthony posted in Discord the stores were updated in error. No telling if that means it's a bug or just the timing was before they intended to actually make the change.
Alsmir said: Latest exploit, when tokens had increased 5* rates, was announced on these forums, by players. People open their hoards to abuse it and nothing was done. Not even a bloody warning to those who spread the info and adviced to use it, because it won't last long.
Dayv said: Alsmir said: Latest exploit, when tokens had increased 5* rates, was announced on these forums, by players. People open their hoards to abuse it and nothing was done. Not even a bloody warning to those who spread the info and adviced to use it, because it won't last long. The increased 5* pull rate on Classics wasn't an exploit, it was lucky timing. Players were not using any unintended techniques, strange behaviors, or inappropriate levels of access to the game to cheat the system. They saw that the drop rates for tokens were clearly listed as higher than before on some and lower on others, and decided to take advantage of it. That's no different than goin to a store as quick as you can because they advertised a surprisingly low price on a product you wanted. You might suspect it was an error, but most people will still take that deal of the store is legally bound to honor it.
Alsmir said: Skrofa said: Alsmir said: Latest exploit, when tokens had increased 5* rates, was announced on these forums, by players. People open their hoards to abuse it and nothing was done. Not even a bloody warning to those who spread the info and adviced to use it, because it won't last long.Fairness? what's that? You seem to just repeat this when you have the chance and just ignore any other argument.Well... Just once more.Exploit: jumping through hoops to get something more than the developer intended.What happened last week: odds changed. The guy who opened the thread was even quite annoyed (I think!). A lot of people felt that those odds were favourable to them and proceeded to open their hoards. A lot of other people did not even know about the change (not everyone lives in this forum), and still opened.Now, stop being bitter and move on! Did you even read your own post? 1. It was not intended - hence the hotfix2. Even a quote from previous thread: Orion said: farlus said: Anthony posted in Discord the stores were updated in error. No telling if that means it's a bug or just the timing was before they intended to actually make the change. I guess if you want Classics, then you'd better pull now before the odds so back down to 15%! Yup, advocating to take advantage of an exploit.No actions taken.
The rockett saidWe also know that they are on Discord, which I am not on yet. Would that be the right outlet?
The rockett said: @fight4thedream I have no doubt that you and the mob squad are frustrated about this but the issue remains that nothing was done yet. So my question remains the same. If you are not satisfied with service at a restaurant/store/etc, and the person you bring it to does not give you the response you want, you escalate the issue. My question is this, who is the next in line to escalate this issue to since it seems that the mod squad and Brigby are not getting anywhere with the powers that be? Is it Demi? If so, who at Demi do we contact? As I said before we know some players have direct lines to Demi due to money spent. We also know that they are on Discord, which I am not on yet. Would that be the right outlet?
Dayv said: Alsmir said: Latest exploit, when tokens had increased 5* rates, was announced on these forums, by players. People open their hoards to abuse it and nothing was done. Not even a bloody warning to those who spread the info and adviced to use it, because it won't last long. The increased 5* pull rate on Classics wasn't an exploit, it was lucky timing. Players were not using any unintended techniques, strange behaviors, or inappropriate levels of access to the game to cheat the system. They saw that the drop rates for tokens were clearly listed as higher than before on some and lower on others, and decided to take advantage of it. That's no different than goin to a store as quick as you can because they advertised a surprisingly low price on a product you wanted. You might suspect it was an error, but most people will still take that deal of the store is legally bound to honor it.This isn't like opening your save file for some game in a hex editor and tweaking numbers until you find the one that gives you a bunch of money. (This is not an example of an MPQ exploit, it's an old and generic computer RPG one).There was a PvP event a while ago where veteran players got matched up against newbies. Were those players exploiting the game by taking the matches offered to them, or was the system malfunctioning? Should they have opted not to play that event, since they couldn't force the computer to give them the behavior they suspect was intended?
The rockett said: My question is this, who is the next in line to escalate this issue to since it seems that the mod squad and Brigby are not getting anywhere with the powers that be? Is it Demi? If so, who at Demi do we contact?
Alsmir said: Dayv said: Alsmir said: Latest exploit, when tokens had increased 5* rates, was announced on these forums, by players. People open their hoards to abuse it and nothing was done. Not even a bloody warning to those who spread the info and adviced to use it, because it won't last long. The increased 5* pull rate on Classics wasn't an exploit, it was lucky timing. Players were not using any unintended techniques, strange behaviors, or inappropriate levels of access to the game to cheat the system. They saw that the drop rates for tokens were clearly listed as higher than before on some and lower on others, and decided to take advantage of it. That's no different than goin to a store as quick as you can because they advertised a surprisingly low price on a product you wanted. You might suspect it was an error, but most people will still take that deal of the store is legally bound to honor it.This isn't like opening your save file for some game in a hex editor and tweaking numbers until you find the one that gives you a bunch of money. (This is not an example of an MPQ exploit, it's an old and generic computer RPG one).There was a PvP event a while ago where veteran players got matched up against newbies. Were those players exploiting the game by taking the matches offered to them, or was the system malfunctioning? Should they have opted not to play that event, since they couldn't force the computer to give them the behavior they suspect was intended? I'm talking about players that were aware that it was intended (after devs announcement) yet advised others to abuse the exploit or used it themselves. Was I really not clear every single time?Not the random fellas who just randomly used better tokens.
@The rockettWhile I understand yours and many others frustration with the way exploits and cheating are handled, I am in no position to say what else can be done beyond what I have already stated. With that said, cheating is something both brigby and the mod squad take seriously but there is only so much we can do on our end. And just to be clear, civil and constructive critique is not a rule breaking offense. Despite the persistent belief, forum feedback is taken into account. It may not always play the deciding hand but nevertheless it has on occasion changed the way things are done.
Alsmir said: I'm talking about players that were aware that it was intended (after devs announcement) yet advised others to abuse the exploit or used it themselves. Was I really not clear every single time?Not the random fellas who just randomly used better tokens.
Jaedenkaal said: Alsmir said: I'm talking about players that were aware that it was intended (after devs announcement) yet advised others to abuse the exploit or used it themselves. Was I really not clear every single time?Not the random fellas who just randomly used better tokens. If D3 or Demi viewed purchasing tokens while the odds were (mistakenly) not what they wanted them to be, that announcement you're referring to likely would have included instructions to the player base NOT to purchase tokens until the hotfix was pushed.Of course, the very ridiculousness of such an imperative statement, and the complete unenforceable-ness of it (not to mention the massive amount of the playerbase who, as mentioned many times, do not view these forums) is precisely the reason they did not make such a statement, and the reason why it cannot be considered an exploit, and the reason why nothing will be done about it.It's not much different than if they'd accidentally pushed a Called Shot damage change, boosting it by a factor of 1000. Players who noticed, and who used Cyclops before it was hotfixed, would not be 'exploiting' the game in a malicious way. Yes, they are taking advantage of something that was probably not intended by the development team, which is fall under the definition of "exploiting" in many languages, I'm sure, but not "an exploit" in the manner being used here. In both cases, the players were using an intended method ("Step 1: Open a token," or "Step 1: Fire Called Shot") to achieve an expected (although ultimately undesirable, for the devs) outcome. (Stated, although weird, token odds or stated, although huge, power damage).This is contrasted with actual token exploits, where the players are using a non-supported method (***nope***) to achieve an unexpected AND undesirable (for devs) outcome, namely, greater player control over contents of tokens, frequency of bonus heroes, etc...