Heart of Kiran

wereotter
wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
in MtGPQ General Discussion
Hey, hey guys.... it's a 16/16 flier with vigilance.

'Member when Skysnare Spider was considered to be too powerful as a 6/6 with reach?

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  • julianus
    julianus Posts: 188 Tile Toppler

    That was before my time, but a quick calculation shows that with Heart you get 0.65 power per mana point (16/25) , and with Spider you get 0.375 (6/16). Even without the fabricate, it's still 0.48 for Heart.


    Hmm.

  • sageofhalo451
    sageofhalo451 Posts: 44 Just Dropped In
    mythic vs rare
  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    My point is the single largest creature in the game at this point.

    Clearly the Gatewatch wasted their time trying to take down Emrakul, Kozilek, and Ulamog. They just needed to go to Kaladesh and steal the Heart of Kiran to destroy them
  • morgue427
    morgue427 Posts: 783 Critical Contributor
    and watch out for it in rai decks because a 48/48 bomb is coming at you
  • Avacyn
    Avacyn Posts: 89 Match Maker
    morgue427 said:
    and watch out for it in rai decks because a 48/48 bomb is coming at you

    Don't think the ai well ever cast her 3rd ability giving how it always use it first. 

    but if you were to use kiran as the only vehicle. it does have the hidden ability to lag you to hell and bore you to death watching all the servo coming in to play.

  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    Also the single most boring creature in the game... I'll play with one of these when they sort out the Fabricate animations.
  • Steeme
    Steeme Posts: 784 Critical Contributor
    morgue427 said:
    and watch out for it in rai decks because a 48/48 bomb is coming at you


    Meh, it's competing with Boomship for that spot.  I'd rather have a 20 damage board clear than Vigilance, considering the vigilance becomes redundant with Haunted Cloak which you're likely carrying for haste.

  • wereotter
    wereotter Posts: 2,070 Chairperson of the Boards
    morgue427 said:
    and watch out for it in rai decks because a 48/48 bomb is coming at you
    It's a 64/64 when it comes out that way because each copy will fabricate 4...
  • Laeuftbeidir
    Laeuftbeidir Posts: 1,841 Chairperson of the Boards
    ... And you have the time to make some dinner until they're fabricated.
  • morgue427
    morgue427 Posts: 783 Critical Contributor
    i know it is 6/4/64 but i dont count them because they wont last ai loves aiming for them anyways. and i would like boomship but no luck drawing it random packs ;-( and think the fecth is slow try fetching them in a baral deck lol my phone dam near blew up
  • Kyokudai
    Kyokudai Posts: 38 Just Dropped In
    Heart seems fun and I really like the vehicles in this game, but like most things in this game it's cost is way to much for me to want to open my wallet.  It's a shame this wasn't $5.  $40 in paper magic gets me an awesome single which is fantastic as I'm a commander player.
  • Machine
    Machine Posts: 856 Critical Contributor
    Kyokudai said:
    Heart seems fun and I really like the vehicles in this game, but like most things in this game it's cost is way to much for me to want to open my wallet.  It's a shame this wasn't $5.  $40 in paper magic gets me an awesome single which is fantastic as I'm a commander player.


    Since you're new here at this forum: Not. Another. Dime.

    A player movement to show our discontent with the latest two patches of this game. Don't spend any money until at least the rewards have been improved.

  • Kyokudai
    Kyokudai Posts: 38 Just Dropped In

    I can get behind that.  Always vote with the wallet.

    Not. Another. Dime.

  • bk1234
    bk1234 Posts: 2,924 Chairperson of the Boards
    Not. Another. Dime. 
  • gruntface
    gruntface Posts: 161 Tile Toppler
    I hope to one day pull this card.

    In the meantime, NAD.
  • shteev
    shteev Posts: 2,031 Chairperson of the Boards
    http://forums.d3go.com/discussion/61025/not-another-dime

    @gruntface I like your avatar! D'you mind if I copy that?

  • SeditiousCanary
    SeditiousCanary Posts: 77 Match Maker
    shteev said:
    Also the single most boring creature in the game... I'll play with one of these when they REMOVE the Fabricate animations.
    Fixed it for you...
  • gruntface
    gruntface Posts: 161 Tile Toppler
    shteev said:
    http://forums.d3go.com/discussion/61025/not-another-dime

    @gruntface I like your avatar! D'you mind if I copy that?

    Go for it! I felt it would be appropriate :D
  • FreshD
    FreshD Posts: 7 Just Dropped In
    Machine said:


    Since you're new here at this forum: Not. Another. Dime.

    A player movement to show our discontent with the latest two patches of this game. Don't spend any money until at least the rewards have been improved.

    :s Now I feel like a huge **** because I bought her :(

    Well, since I can't reverse that, I make the best out of this situation. First I join the movement and will give Not Another Dime until they reverse at least some of the cut-downs. Secondly I try to make an honest  review of this card.

    Starting with the power creep argument: The 16/16 is including the fabricate, which means this can be reduced to a 12/12 - which would leave the flying and - if you think it's positive - the vigilance. Emrakul has generic 13/13 for 20, which is true 0.65 power per mana plus trample and disable each enemy creature for one turn - minus vigilance. And Emrakul was Eldritch Moon. Olivia on herself had 11/20 or 0.55 power to mana but also flying haste and lifelink plus  +3/+3 lifelink, haste and flying for every creature cast after her - in SoI. Power creep is real, but not as bad as most of you think. (If you wand to fight me on this be prepared to be hit by the Arlinn / Geier Reach Bandit / Ulrich combo- SoI / EM).

    My first test with baralship went down like this: I threw it into an existing Saheeli deck and tested it in a lower level Story Mode game. Until I got the loyalty needed, I drew 3 baralships, played 3 other cheap creatures and gathered mana. So when I activated Saheeli's 3. ability I got the 4 baralships with like 5 minutes of fabricate animations and then (- because of crew 4 -) the first baralship on my hand with 4 more fabricate animations which triggered baralship 2 and 3 on my hand with 8 more fabricate animations.
    Ok, I have a Sony XPeria Z2 and this battle took the better part of a 7 minute YouTube video and 3%(!) of my battery.
    On the good side: I attacked with 112/112 - instant win :D But this could also be achieved with something big (Emrakul, Olivia, Ulrich, Pig ..) and Nahiri or with Ulvenwald Hydra or with Nissa 2 and some energy based rares and mythics (i.e. Electrostatic Pummeler + Gonti's Aether Heart  / Dynavolt Tower / Aetherworks Marvel). Or just through skillful usage of high powered cards, planeswalker  abilities and boosting cards like Mirrorpool, Masterpiece swords and / or Slayer's Plate, etc.

    In conclusion baralship is a very good card and I'm happy to own it, but you definitely don't need it to be a happy / successful MTGPQ player.

    Last but not least a thanks to the developers for acknowledging the baralship / Saheeli problem and tackling it (kind of) preemptively in the next update. If you manage to tone down the animations to a degree, that I think calling Heart of Kiran baralship is unfair, you score major points (at least with me).







  • FreshD
    FreshD Posts: 7 Just Dropped In
    FreshD said:
    :s Now I feel like a huge tinykitty because I bought her
    Muahahahaha.
    Gnihihihihihihi. "huge tinykitty" Gnihihihihihihihihihihi!
    Seriously? This is replaced automatically? That explains a lot. Gniiiihiihihihihi.
    Muahahahahahahahaha.
    Ok, let's face it. Money grabbing and all considered, but at least the guys who manage these forums are awesome!! Whoohoohoohoohoohoo.

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