A Mostly Accurate 4* Ranking (Final Update 8/11/18)

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  • bbiglerbbigler Posts: 1,400 Chairperson of the Boards
    I appreciate the work you've done in making this list, please keep it going and updated.  I have a few comments on your rankings (I'll scrutinize the top 10 the most), but first a question:

    Are you rating their usefulness based on both PVE and PVP?  Some characters are great in one format but not in the other.  In general, I agree with your rankings except for the following.....

    #2 Peggy - I use her all the time in both PVE and PVP, I think she's better than Iceman, especially since people will use her unboosted in PVP.  She's the complete package.

    #4 Punisher - I only have him at 10 covers, so I'll take your word on it that he's amazing.  He looks slow to me, though.  What's your perfect team with him?

    #8 Hulkbuster - I really don't think he's top 10 anymore, but probably top 20.  His powers are just average now compared to others characters.  Even when he's boosted, I rarely use him.

    #9 Jean Grey - She could go up a spot or two.  Her purple power to remove up to 6 enemy specials AND deal lots of damage is amazing!  Especially given all the good special tile creators we have now (Carol, Medusa, Carnage, Wasp, Peggy, Coulson, Hawkeye, Thanos, 4*Rocket, 4*Cage, need I go on?).

    #10 Quake - She should go down a couple spots.  She's very useful, but not in all situations.  I really like her board shake and cascades, but her yellow isn't always useful.

    #11 Thoress - she has some real power, but Kate Bishop and Moon Knight are better overall.  Thoress suffers from being slow and I don't think we should assume that IM40 will always be with her.

    #15 Winter Soldier - I don't have him champed, but he looks very mediocre to me, not top 20. 

    #17 X-23 - Her usefulness is basically in true healing......so not dying, but not helping that much either.  We shouldn't rate her based on being paired with IM40.  So, I don't think she's top 20.

    #20 Star Lord - This guys rocks! I use him all the time.  He's a complete package: overall cost reduction, red offense and purple defense.  Ever since I champed him 6 months ago, I've used him everyday.  Even before he was champed, I used him, which I think is the sign of a truly great character.  He could be ranked #10, since he's not all purpose, but close to it.

    #22 Antman - he's better than War Machine, I think.  Cheap powers that create strikes and attack tiles, for double dipping.  Stealing specials is very useful too.

    #28 Wasp - PVP has shown how useful she is now.  Again, another complete package character: AP stealing, cheap but strong protect and strike tiles, plus a good hit & stun power.  Alone, she's very solid.  In the right team, she's killer.  She deserves a rank around #10.

    #29 Gwenpool - I like all 3 of her powers, which should at least put her in the top 20.  She has strong offense in green, strong defense in black and utility offense in purple.  That purple is amazing given it's versatility, the only problem is memorizing or looking up a code list.  I think she deserves somewhere in the top 20.

    #30 ProfX - We all should know what happens when he goes invisible with special tiles out....you lose.  He's scary enough to make me kill him first in a match.  He's not top 10, but definitely top 20.

    #34 Carnage - This guy is scary and should be ranked at least #20 for the benefits of PVP alone.  Because of Medusa, he's now playable (for or against) but that doesn't reduce his prowess.  My future dream Shield Sim team is Carnage, Medusa and 4*Rocket.

    #39 Sam Wilson - you're probably right in his ranking, but there may come a day when his defense is highly desired, with a single nuke ability - like Powerman.  As new characters get more powerful with quicker damage, defensive characters may become more practical.  Plus, he has tile boosting....everyone likes that lately.
  • Crnch73Crnch73 Age Unconfirmed Posts: 504 Critical Contributor
    Any chance we could get this to be updated to current? I understand the problem we face with the character limit for posts, but a google doc or google sheet would work. I love this post and we have a lot of new characters (even if it's too early to judge some).

    I use this as a template a lot when picking my next 4 star to champ. Obviously I should stick to the un-vaulted ones, but I prefer to champ the best ones out there regardless. I want the best characters champed, so I refer to this list when I am faced with multiple options. For instance, I have 4pun at 13 covers, coulson will be at 13 soon, c4ge is at 13, and bl4de is at 12. So according to this list, I should champ 4pun.
  • JarvindJarvind Posts: 1,684 Chairperson of the Boards
    Crnch73 said:
    Any chance we could get this to be updated to current? I understand the problem we face with the character limit for posts, but a google doc or google sheet would work. I love this post and we have a lot of new characters (even if it's too early to judge some).

    I use this as a template a lot when picking my next 4 star to champ. Obviously I should stick to the un-vaulted ones, but I prefer to champ the best ones out there regardless. I want the best characters champed, so I refer to this list when I am faced with multiple options. For instance, I have 4pun at 13 covers, coulson will be at 13 soon, c4ge is at 13, and bl4de is at 12. So according to this list, I should champ 4pun.
    I will at some point, possibly over the weekend. I've just been busy and rewriting half the guide (plus rearranging the order of a whole bunch of characters) takes a lot longer than you might think.
  • Punisher5784Punisher5784 Posts: 3,175 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2017
    Jarvind said:
    Crnch73 said:
    Any chance we could get this to be updated to current? I understand the problem we face with the character limit for posts, but a google doc or google sheet would work. I love this post and we have a lot of new characters (even if it's too early to judge some).

    I use this as a template a lot when picking my next 4 star to champ. Obviously I should stick to the un-vaulted ones, but I prefer to champ the best ones out there regardless. I want the best characters champed, so I refer to this list when I am faced with multiple options. For instance, I have 4pun at 13 covers, coulson will be at 13 soon, c4ge is at 13, and bl4de is at 12. So according to this list, I should champ 4pun.
    I will at some point, possibly over the weekend. I've just been busy and rewriting half the guide (plus rearranging the order of a whole bunch of characters) takes a lot longer than you might think.
    @Jarvind
    I love your post and hope you can continue it going. I just read above on why there has been a delay in updating the 4* rankings. Have you ever consider writing new monthly posts? You could then link the history of the previous posts at the bottom so you (we) can keep track of the characters usefulness (+/-) the previous months/years. 
  • spghttiheadspghttihead Posts: 74 Match Maker
    I've enjoyed reading this post but for some reason it stops at Sam Wilson for me. I tried opening the page in IE and Chrome but it's the same. Am I missing some setting that will show the rest of the post?
  • Milk JugzMilk Jugz Posts: 1,122 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2017
    I've enjoyed reading this post but for some reason it stops at Sam Wilson for me. I tried opening the page in IE and Chrome but it's the same. Am I missing some setting that will show the rest of the post?
    Read the comments. That's all the length the forums would allow when they transferred to the new format.
  • bbiglerbbigler Posts: 1,400 Chairperson of the Boards
    I've enjoyed reading this post but for some reason it stops at Sam Wilson for me. I tried opening the page in IE and Chrome but it's the same. Am I missing some setting that will show the rest of the post?
    Don't worry about it, the others aren't worth reading about. 
  • Dartmaster01Dartmaster01 Posts: 634 Critical Contributor
    edited June 2017
    First of all, great work on the list. Second, I think it's about time Hulkbuster is moved well away from the top of this list. He has not been anywhere near meta defining in at least six months. He was one of my first 4* champs and has seen less playtime than Starlord, MK, Medusa or several others that are way down on your list. Just my 2 cents from my own experience.
  • PongiePongie Posts: 1,332 Chairperson of the Boards
    Nice work to keep it alive Jarvind. My only suggestion is to perhaps allow comments access on the doc (so people can provide their opinions) and perhaps add the tiers to the header/footer (a quick glance to know what tier is being referred). 
  • jgomes32jgomes32 Posts: 381 Mover and Shaker
    Great list overall, well written/in-depth analysis. Personally i think Nova and Hulkbuster are due to a tier demotion. Would put Medusa and maybe MK up there. Some characters are a bit low for me but the list is mostly subjective anyway so i'm picking just one to comment, AV: Not that bad, really. Elektra, Fury, Wolverine, Riri, Ghost Rider, Fisk, Thing and couple others would be below him for me.
  • StarfuryStarfury Age Unconfirmed Posts: 719 Critical Contributor
    You probably got Sandman's yellow wrong (it looks like it creates protects and then checks if there's 7 or more)

    Though whether that's enough to put out the dumpster fire... :|
  • SpringSoldierSpringSoldier Age Unconfirmed Posts: 265 Mover and Shaker
    I'm pretty glad Sandman is turning out to be lousy. I don't like roostering villains, I don't like how he looks and I'm quite happy he didn't become the Thanos of 4*.

    I think Blade is a bit overrated in this list- 10 red AP doesn't come by that easily and his other abilities are pretty mediocre. Also, he spends his red with every bite, so it doesn't last forever either. I think he could be decent on offense, especially if the red is boosted, but not great in defense.

    Agent Venom is awful at defense. Symbiotic assault fires for less power at 10 or 11 AP, but the AI will fire it anyway. Not to mention Military Might charges quickly and delays every other power. I use him in PVE as canon-meat, but for PVP he's worse than a 3*. Also, Military Might must be at 4 or 5 covers, otherwise, he'll prevent characters with more expensive powers, especially from the 3* range, from firing theirs.
  • zodiac339zodiac339 Posts: 1,947 Chairperson of the Boards
    I think Blade is a bit overrated in this list- 10 red AP doesn't come by that easily and his other abilities are pretty mediocre. Also, he spends his red with every bite, so it doesn't last forever either. I think he could be decent on offense, especially if the red is boosted, but not great in defense.
    9 red AP for the damage to start coming out. 10 red tiles for the strike tiles, and it's not unusual for there to be 10 red tiles on the board, giving you free strike tiles every turn. Those bring up the damage quite a bit. 9 red may end up being difficult to get sometimes, but that's an AP efficiency of about 3000 per AP every turn. No other Legendary is that efficient. He can be absolute murder on defense, even without being boosted. Have him stronger than Carol and pair them? That's a nightmare. Yeah, green is only moderate, and black is just bad, far too expensive for a power that only gets better when a condition is met, but he had to be balanced around just how strong red is.
  • brollbroll Posts: 4,731 Chairperson of the Boards
    I wish this wasn't on google so I could actually read it.  
  • JarvindJarvind Posts: 1,684 Chairperson of the Boards
    edited June 2017
    zodiac339 said:
    I think Blade is a bit overrated in this list- 10 red AP doesn't come by that easily and his other abilities are pretty mediocre. Also, he spends his red with every bite, so it doesn't last forever either. I think he could be decent on offense, especially if the red is boosted, but not great in defense.
    9 red AP for the damage to start coming out. 10 red tiles for the strike tiles, and it's not unusual for there to be 10 red tiles on the board, giving you free strike tiles every turn. Those bring up the damage quite a bit. 9 red may end up being difficult to get sometimes, but that's an AP efficiency of about 3000 per AP every turn. No other Legendary is that efficient. He can be absolute murder on defense, even without being boosted. Have him stronger than Carol and pair them? That's a nightmare. Yeah, green is only moderate, and black is just bad, far too expensive for a power that only gets better when a condition is met, but he had to be balanced around just how strong red is.
    Yep, this guy gets it.

    @broll i have the document shared for public viewing so anybody should be able to read it - is this a compatibility issue of some kind?
  • udonomefooudonomefoo Posts: 1,630 Chairperson of the Boards
    Thanks for the update.  It helps to read about the new ones I don't have fully covered yet.  Also makes me feel better about trashing the Mordo cover in my Q.
  • aeiouousaeiouous Age Unconfirmed Posts: 17 Just Dropped In
    Your list and the comments from the community heavily influence our Tier List, you're a often credit :D Thank you. 
  • AnonAnon Posts: 1,145 Chairperson of the Boards
    Psstttt, Luke Cage (Power Man) icon is Drax :P
  • JarvindJarvind Posts: 1,684 Chairperson of the Boards
    Anon said:
    Psstttt, Luke Cage (Power Man) icon is Drax :P
    Derp! Fixt. I was copy-pasting the heading format to save time, thought I fixed all the mismatched icons.
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