Rashmi, Eternities Crafter Oversight?

Ampmp11

This is the card in MTG paper: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/ ... eid=417757

"Whenever you cast your first spell each turn, reveal the top card of your library. If it's a nonland card with converted mana cost less than that spell's, you may cast it without paying its mana cost. If you don't cast the revealed card, put it into your hand."

In MTGPQ:
"When you cast a spell, support or creature. Fetch the next card in your library."

In the card version you get to play the next card for free as long as it's lower costed than the original. In MTGPQ it fetches a card, which is worse than drawing a card. Seems like a huge oversight, because currently it's awful in MTGPQ and is a much much worse version of a rare in Jori En, Ruin Diver.

It's literally in the running for the worst mythic in the game when it's paper version is really strong.

Mainloop25

edit: Turns out I grossly underestimated this card.

andrewvanmarle

Fetch is supposed to simulate looking through your library for something specific, while draw is norally judt the top card.

Rashmi - and- aetherworks marvel should be a draw mechanic, since you dont control what you get by choosing or looking for a specific card type.

Ohboy

Cards that have unlimited upside should be treated with caution.

This is one of those cards that could potentially be part of an insane combo. I already have a couple of ideas I want to try out.

khurram

Ohboy wrote:

Cards that have unlimited upside should be treated with caution.

This is one of those cards that could potentially be part of an insane combo. I already have a couple of ideas I want to try out.

And what insane combos could this card possibly generate in its current state? Fetch is just card draw without the usual synergies of card draw. There is no current mechanic in synergy with fetch.

Ohboy

khurram wrote:

Ohboy wrote:

Cards that have unlimited upside should be treated with caution.

This is one of those cards that could potentially be part of an insane combo. I already have a couple of ideas I want to try out.

And what insane combos could this card possibly generate in its current state? Fetch is just card draw without the usual synergies of card draw. There is no current mechanic in synergy with fetch.

Fertile Thicket, natural connection, animist awakening etc. Cheap cards that can conceivably chain and ramp more.

You've got it backwards. Getting more cards is a powerful mechanic on it's own. Having something that depends on drawing is a bonus, but not necessary for infinite fetches to become ridiculous given the right situation. We had two such problems in soi alone. Harness the storm and seasons past.

I don't have it yet, but I'm excited by the possibilities. It might not work out, but I think there's a decent chance you guys will be back in 2 weeks demanding they fix the op.

khurram

There are other cards that can make a lot better use of fertile thicket, nissa pilgrimage, AA and other cheap spells.... . It was all the rage in the early days of kiora with noyan dar.

Drawing card is a powerful mechanic but there are other cards that do it better at lower rarety without costing 17 mana and wasting a creature spot .

This is nowhere within the miles of Harness and SP. With those 2 you knew which cards you were getting back. And there was a really good chance of filling them up with mana during the process.


No one is ever going to complain about this worthless excuse of a mythic being OP in its current state. Good luck creating "infinite combos". If someone has a brilliant idea about the use of this card please enlighten. Because i pulled 2 of these in the same pack.... while i had none of the mythics from the new set.

Ohboy

khurram wrote:

There are other cards that can make a lot better use of fertile thicket, nissa pilgrimage, AA and other cheap spells.... . It was all the rage in the early days of kiora with noyan dar.

Drawing card is a powerful mechanic but there are other cards that do it better at lower rarety without costing 17 mana and wasting a creature spot .

This is nowhere within the miles of Harness and SP. With those 2 you knew which cards you were getting back. And there was a really good chance of filling them up with mana during the process.


No one is ever going to complain about this worthless excuse of a mythic being OP in its current state. Good luck creating "infinite combos". If someone has a brilliant idea about the use of this card please enlighten. Because i pulled 2 of these in the same pack.... while i had none of the mythics from the new set.

I wish I had your luck. I really do want to play with it. I've opened 3 boxes and gotten 0 mythics lol.

It's actually the mythic I'm most interested in toying with in this set.

andrewvanmarle

Maybe the devs fear a too good combo with jace2's 3rd ability and sphinx's tutelage.

But then we should fear other cards more...

Morphis

Looking at original card...

Why could they make it not simply "fetch the first card, it gains mana equal to the cost of the card casted minus X(probably 3 or 4 mana)

The mana deficit is just to ensure the card can't "loop forever".

Without that it would be needed to have all cards with a cost of exactly 17 though. While impractical would be still possible.

The effect this way would justify the high mana cost for such low stats.
Would also be a quite unique and also fun card(cause of randomness involved)

Abenjes

I think this card could be ok. It depends when the card is fetched. If you play an aa will the fetch happen before or after the aa affects the board?

khurram

Abenjes wrote:

I think this card could be ok. It depends when the card is fetched. If you play an aa will the fetch happen before or after the aa affects the board?

Fetches after the card is cast. So Afterwards.


Havent tested it with aa though.

Dlee610

To those that think the fetch happens before the effects of gen converters or other ways to get mana you are wrong. This card does not help you make big combos. I have it and it's a horrible card right now.

Ampmp11

The only thing I haven't tested if it fetches per token casted, if it doesn't fetch per token, there's absolutely no use for this card.

Ampmp11

Ok I've tested it with tokens and it doesn't fetch on entry. Card is useless! Thanks for the troll mythic

Ampmp11

Ohboy wrote:

khurram wrote:

Ohboy wrote:

Cards that have unlimited upside should be treated with caution.

This is one of those cards that could potentially be part of an insane combo. I already have a couple of ideas I want to try out.

And what insane combos could this card possibly generate in its current state? Fetch is just card draw without the usual synergies of card draw. There is no current mechanic in synergy with fetch.

Fertile Thicket, natural connection, animist awakening etc. Cheap cards that can conceivably chain and ramp more.

You've got it backwards. Getting more cards is a powerful mechanic on it's own. Having something that depends on drawing is a bonus, but not necessary for infinite fetches to become ridiculous given the right situation. We had two such problems in soi alone. Harness the storm and seasons past.

I don't have it yet, but I'm excited by the possibilities. It might not work out, but I think there's a decent chance you guys will be back in 2 weeks demanding they fix the op.

Be prepared to be greatly disappointed. They nerfed the card before it could be of any use and now will not see the light of day. I don't even want to finish mastering the card, it's such a troll of a card.

I've tried it as a replacement to harness, doesn't work because it doesn't give any mana. I've tried it with a harness deck, doesn't work because fetching creatures and supports gets in the way, tried it with tokens just in case of discard for Olivia doesn't work. The only use is if you're using a discard deck to replace the discarded card but it's way too expensive to use for such niche use and is a creature so it can be easily removed.

Stormcrow

Ohboy wrote:

Fertile Thicket, natural connection, animist awakening etc. Cheap cards that can conceivably chain and ramp more.

The card you're looking for is Day's Undoing, not this card.

SeditiousCanary

I pulled one, added it to my Kiora deck, and it is faster early game, and becomes pretty absurd after about turn 5-6. Seems to pretty much hose anything with Fabricate, Investigate (maybe here, as they get destroyed, so they draw, but if their hand is full, total bust for them), or anything that cares about how many supports there are in play. My hand is always full. It plays out 3-8 cards a turn from my hand.

Ohboy

I've already designed my Rashmi deck, but I seem to be the only one who hasn't gotten him yet.

It's a cruel universe.

khurram

SeditiousCanary wrote:

I pulled one, added it to my Kiora deck, and it is faster early game, and becomes pretty absurd after about turn 5-6. Seems to pretty much hose anything with Fabricate, Investigate (maybe here, as they get destroyed, so they draw, but if their hand is full, total bust for them), or anything that cares about how many supports there are in play. My hand is always full. It plays out 3-8 cards a turn from my hand.

What does Rashmi has do to anything with things that "care about how many supports there are in play". ?

khurram

Ohboy wrote:

I've already designed my Rashmi deck, but I seem to be the only one who hasn't gotten him yet.

It's a cruel universe.

Meanwhile, i pulled a third copy. I wouldnt mind taking a look at that rashmi deck. I am open to suggestions

And you mean her