Very Frustrating: No good queues after 1100

HaywireII

I would be very interested in seeing a post mortem from someone who took a 4* team to 1200. Details on what team they used, when they hopped, how many people they had to coordinate with, how many hero points they spent, etc.

Kjeldbjerg

mpqr7 wrote:

From reading these posts, it appears that to get to 900 with my roster (420 oml, 20+ champed 4*s) is relatively trivial and can be done in 0 to 1 hops, any time.

Whereas getting to 1200 requires at least three hops, 24 hours in advance (3/8/24), plus maybe some more mini-hops near the end. So numerous hours, stress, over 500 HP and also probably BC coordination on line.

Not saying that it can't be done, but is certainly a significant amount of work over just parking at 900. I don't think anyone would disagree with me on that aspect.

You seem determined to put a negative spin on it. The jump from going from 900 to 1200 is whatever you want it to be.
If you feel 3 hops is too much, then go higher on the first climb and do more matches on the first hop.
If you feel 500 hp is too much, then do 3-8-3 and skip placement.
If hopping is stressful, play pve.
If you feel an additional 3x10 min is numerous hours, then...

FokaiHI

I'm not coordinated with anyone and 900 is pretty routine without hopping. 1200 tho, I haven't decided if it's worth the hp. The 15 cps would be nice, but I don't have enough hp to shield from 24 hours out and then multiple times thereafter.

My favorite hopping moment was shielding at 894 on this Medusa event without any buffed 4* characters. Right, 894, sit for a few hours, don't even have to juice up the queue. Played my first match (longest match ever), back at 750. Lol. I did get it done tho.

Fightmastermpq

aesthetocyst wrote:

FokaiHI wrote:

My favorite hopping moment was shielding at 894 ... sit for a few hours .... Played my first match (longest match ever), back at 750....

Yeah ... Only thing worse than winning slow is losing slow! And losing fast beats winning slow. If a match bogs down and isnt on a path to quick resolution after 2min, retreat. Its cheaper.

This is actually really good advice. If you wipe to a 70 pt target you lose like 5 points. But if you slog it out for 15 minutes you can come out with a +70 win, but also -200 in losses.

FokaiHI

Yes. Thanks for the tips. This thread has been very useful.

WelcomeDeath

Thought I'd resurrect this thread. A major part of the issue with 4* getting to 1200 or even 3* getting to 900 is the fact that so many have simply given up. The points available is entirely dependent on how many in your mmr are climbing / hopping. When CC were a thing, 3* guys were able to climb higher....but it had nothing to do with the cc. It had to do with progression awards. Having the first 3* cover at 800 and the 4* at 1k meant more went for 800, so it was more feasible to hop off the horde or climbers to slowly get to 1k. But with an elite token early and 10 cp at 575, you basically earn a potential 3* and half a 4* by 575. Many many 3* guys are seeing this and giving up. So if you're in the 3* tier...you've nothing to climb higher on. Same with 4* tier getting to 1.2. Many many players go for 900 and quit. Again, nobody trying, no higher value qs for hops, nowhere to go. And it's not (usually) the 5* guys hitting you for points, as we can't find you til were already past 1.2k (again, usually). If more and more 4* guys went for it, itd be more doable. Same with 3* going for 900. How do you fix that? **** if i know.

sinnerjfl

Welcome Death wrote:

Thought I'd resurrect this thread. A major part of the issue with 4* getting to 1200 or even 3* getting to 900 is the fact that so many have simply given up. The points available is entirely dependent on how many in your mmr are climbing / hopping. When CC were a thing, 3* guys were able to climb higher....but it had nothing to do with the cc. It had to do with progression awards. Having the first 3* cover at 800 and the 4* at 1k meant more went for 800, so it was more feasible to hop off the horde or climbers to slowly get to 1k. But with an elite token early and 10 cp at 575, you basically earn a potential 3* and half a 4* by 575. Many many 3* guys are seeing this and giving up. So if you're in the 3* tier...you've nothing to climb higher on. Same with 4* tier getting to 1.2. Many many players go for 900 and quit. Again, nobody trying, no higher value qs for hops, nowhere to go. And it's not (usually) the 5* guys hitting you for points, as we can't find you til were already past 1.2k (again, usually). If more and more 4* guys went for it, itd be more doable. Same with 3* going for 900. How do you fix that? tinykitty if i know.

This is nothing new but a few suggestions:

- Put some progression rewards between 900 and 1200, its ridiculous how hard it is to reach 1200 and there's a big old gap
with no rewards there. No wonder most people dont even try anymore, why would you, very likely you wont reach 1200 and
just waste time/ressources in the process.

- Lower the top progression reward from 1200 to 1100, the way things are right now, points dry up very fast past 900-1000 and it
becomes really difficult to progress without outside coordination (something the devs apparently dont approve... yet they made
it worse by removing CC's)

- Increase points value when you reach that magic score that make you visible to everyone. It's risky already to stay unshielded past that score, might as well make it worth the risk.

mpqr7

I think those suggestions are great. That's one of the things that frustrates me the most. Actually trying for 1200 and getting stuck at 1100+. Because I might as well have just stayed at 900+.

If there were any progression prizes between 900 and 1200, then at least it would have been worth the effort.

I know that 1100+ will generally produce better placement prizes, but those mean little to me.

mpqr7

Okay, here's my update. Hopefully it's helpful to anyone in a similar boat.

I decided to bite the bullet and upgrade from 420 OML + Boosted 4* to 420 OML + 405 PH.

The first PVP I did that, I was in HEAVEN. With very little effort, I used an 8/3/break in S4 to score around 1350+ points!! I could have even scored 1400+ points if I had broken slightly earlier at the end. This is how it used to be back in 2015 for me, when I could get to 1700+ with little stress!! I was finally able to see the 5* champ + Boosted 4* teams with high point values and take them out! It was the kind of game I wanted to play.

That only lasted one PVP though, because then I was added into the MMR of all of the double-champed 5* players, so even though I could finally see high-value queues, the top players could now put me into their queues, so it was easy for them to take down my A Team, which appears to them as a cupcake team. So, I was back to scoring 900, or even hitting 1100 points but barely approaching 1200 before getting smacked down to 1000+, getting defensive losses before I could receive the 15 cp for progression.

[If only they would just wait a few minutes before attacking me, like I do whenever I see new queues! Seriously, what's their rush? They have double-champed 5*s! They're going to hit 1200+ with little effort, whether or not they ruin it for me or wait a few minutes and let me get it too.]

But finally in the last PVP, I used S1, did a 3/8/3/break and managed to hit 1207. First, I went to 1088, then I did a one-fight hop to 1148, and then tried to do a 1-fight hop (3-4 minutes), which lead me to 1143 (sniped quickly by a double 5* champ) then finally did a one-fight break with 4 minutes left that brought me to 1207.

So after a bunch of massive hops (including an 8/3/8/24) that ended in failure, I did manage to pull it off. I still find it unbelievable that after around 900 days of playing, I'm still not "good enough" to get to 1200 without a lot of work, but so be it. And yes, at some point I will probably request to join a shield-check room. I of course like people checking my hops and doing the same for others. I just find the constant stream of messages to be stressful for some reason.

Phumade

mpqr7 wrote:

I of course like people checking my hops and doing the same for others. I just find the constant stream of messages to be stressful for some reason.

I fully empathize with this last statement. There's a lot of continuously flowing info that leads to paralysis. Lots of viable targets come and go and you never know when to "jump" on the train. or your waiting for that last match before you shield and you realized you waited too long and are taking hits.

The best thing you can do is set a goal and plan before you look at chat. In anycase, you have a good understanding of the game and what tactics will be necessary to accomplish your goals.

Good luck and fully confident you'll find your grove!

Fightmastermpq

Phumade wrote:

mpqr7 wrote:

I of course like people checking my hops and doing the same for others. I just find the constant stream of messages to be stressful for some reason.

I fully empathize with this last statement. There's a lot of continuously flowing info that leads to paralysis. Lots of viable targets come and go and you never know when to "jump" on the train. or your waiting for that last match before you shield and you realized you waited too long and are taking hits.

The best thing you can do is set a goal and plan before you look at chat. In anycase, you have a good understanding of the game and what tactics will be necessary to accomplish your goals.

Good luck and fully confident you'll find your grove!

Some of the bigger rooms are definitely intimidating, but if it's too much you really don't have to participate all that much. Simply being in there and avoiding hits from most of the top dogs (that you would likely be skipping anyway) is enough of a benefit to help you get higher than you otherwise would be able to. If you are in S4 and only care about progression just hit your 1200, grill something for the other leeches, and then shield out.