Constructive feedback on new special vaults

Punisher5784

smkspy wrote:

Vaults in general need to stop favoring old 4 stars. I can probably count on one hand seeing a recent (last 8 months) 4 star in a vault.

And sorry but 2500 HP for a single cover was too high back then so quoting it as some justification for lousy vaults today doesn't help a case.

Point taken but back-in-the-day 2500 HP was difficult to acquire on top of the buying rosters twice a month but nowadays the HP is flowing much more now than it was last year. I have not had to buy a Stark Salary since my return and I have averaged 4000 HP at all times despite spending it on roster slots and tokens, even during Anniversary.

Crnch73

GurlBYE wrote:

bring back antman like events

This. So much this. we have had, what 2 or 3 of these events ever? Cho, Ant man, and I think Ghost Rider (maybe)?

C'mon now, they are not impossible and pretty fun... and writing the code can't be THAT hard. 40+ 4* characters and we can only earn 1 or 2 per event without major grinding? If an event takes 4 days on average, and you assume you won't place high enough to get a 4*, you can earn 2 4* per event (1 from progression, and a random from 25cp), a PVE player can earn an average of 4 covers/year for every character. If they never released another 4* (a dream that will never come true), and you got lucky with RNG every time and never got a dupe in a maxed color, you could fully cover all 4* in just over 3 years... yay?

Black Duke

I appreciate the idea of special vaults in general. But there is still room for improvement:

- Make the 4*-cover colorless
- Add a LT
- Reduce the number of 2*-cover, put in more ISO and/or 3*-cover instead

smkspy

Punisher5784 wrote:

smkspy wrote:

Vaults in general need to stop favoring old 4 stars. I can probably count on one hand seeing a recent (last 8 months) 4 star in a vault.

And sorry but 2500 HP for a single cover was too high back then so quoting it as some justification for lousy vaults today doesn't help a case.

Point taken but back-in-the-day 2500 HP was difficult to acquire on top of the buying rosters twice a month but nowadays the HP is flowing much more now than it was last year. I have not had to buy a Stark Salary since my return and I have averaged 4000 HP at all times despite spending it on roster slots and tokens, even during Anniversary.

The very fact you're using a stark salary as a baseline only further proves how overpriced 4 stars were and even token pulls continue to be. Spending $100 to cover a single 4 star digital character borderline on predatory sales practices.

The game is a business, but when everything is priced with an artificial scarcity in mind, that just promotes bad business and turns away the average customer from even wanting to spend a little. And that's what I see when I look at these vaults. A high price for something that should not be as rare as the game promotes it. Maybe when we have only a few 4s and no 5s that might have flown, but not when we're nearly 50 4 stars and marching onto 20 5 stars.

So like freeing up iso and hp, a response to the dramatic rise in characters that require resources something needs to come down. Either tokens that cost less 50-100 iso without daily deals or better vaults with more of the covers that dominate the game now 3s and 4s.

HaywireII

It's an option available to us that wasn't available before. The more they give us the better but I think in this case they will tweak the contents based on how much users spend not on forum suggestions. It took me 20 pulls to get the Deadpool cover from the last vault and this vault requires 0 pulls to get everything I want from it. If they see an increased spend they'll keep putting them out with no changes and if they don't see any spend they'll either add incentives or just do away with the special vaults.

wymtime

So much of these vaults really depend on your roster. For me personally it will have to have a 4* i really need and want like Peggy Carter yellow or blue. If these vaults don't have the right 4* it feels like spending HP just to spend HP.
I actually are a lot of 4* available in the game especially if you play PVP. If you play PVP to 900 points you get a 4* and 10CP. If you play PVE to progression that is a 4* and 25 CP. If you do DPDQ and can win a crash of the titans tat is another LT. You also get 25 CP or a 4* every other week from daily resuply. Overall that is 4 4* from PVE and 4-5 from PVP and 1 from crash so 9-10 4* a week not counting daily resupply. You can only get to 575 in PVP then you get 1 4* every other event so 5-6 per week. This is not hard core gaming to achieve these 4*.
If you are getting to 1200 in PVP you get 2 4* per event and a bonus 4* every 4 since you buy classic LT. This means you can get 11-12 4* a week not including daily resupply. I will keep saying even with CL8 it takes way to long to earn enough ISO to level 4* in the amount of time you can earn them. I am going to end up to sell 4-5 4* covers because I cannot champion them in time.

BassMuffinFIve

These vaults only make sense if the DDQ gave out a token for them upon completion.

DFiPL

Too expensive given the number of 2*. I don't object to the concept, but the implementation won't entice me to spend.

deadtaco

For all the people stating the issue is the number of 2* - what about basing the vaults on your clearance level or shield rank? At some point you see more 3* and eventually multiple 4*s.

broll

deadtaco wrote:

For all the people stating the issue is the number of 2* - what about basing the vaults on your clearance level or shield rank? At some point you see more 3* and eventually multiple 4*s.

That's an interesting and seemingly reasonable idea (as long as the HP cost didn't rise with it).

JVReal

If it was maybe a 4*, LT, and a bunch of 3 stars and 1K iso's... and absolutely no 2*, I would like them more.

I might buy 1 or 2 tokens at the most if I have no urgent need for a roster spot.

Options are never a bad thing. I don't need it, I don't buy it. No harm having it there on top of the current available options. I wouldn't want it to replace any current options.

Crnch73

BassMuffinFIve wrote:

These vaults only make sense if the DDQ gave out a token for them upon completion.

I like this idea. Essentially, it guarantees a 4* every 20 days. If you don't like the one in the vault, you wait until the next vault, still saving up the tokens. We should be able to earn tokens to these vaults so that we can stockpile them like tacos.

Tromb2ch2

I still think they should have put 3 vaults up with one of each flaptain cover. I don't want another flaptain cover, but deadpool's red was my only one at 5 so i could not use the vault. If his other colors were in other vaults I would have tried to get them. Also if they wanted to make money they should do ones for iceman, rhulk, Peggy, teen Jean stuff like that not bottom of the barrel characters.

Eichen

I like the idea of the random vaults.

I had a 12 cover XFDP and I needed a single red to get to 13. I had a bonus of 2 black XFDP covers in que ready to expire so it was a no brainer to buy it. I got the RED XFDP on my 12th pull.

One thing I would suggest is to make it a little cheaper to pull the multiple packs. Right now it makes sense to pull single tokens at 150 each in hopes that you get the 4* right away and save some HP. Why not give a discount for buying the whole vault in one shot? Then I have the choice of buying it out for a discount or try my luck at 150 per pull until I get it.

I already have a Fapton that is fully covered and way better places to spend my ISO than to champ him so I will choose not to buy any of the current vault. That doesn't make it a bad vault that just means that I need to wait for the next (or the next, or the next, or the...) vault before I spend my HP.

veny

So, first option - Buy discounted tokens for 100HP, and you may get 2*s, 3*s or 4*s - all random.
Second option - Buy regular tokens for 150HP and you get guaranteed 4* and three 3*s.

I dont see a problem - you may choose cheaper alternative, or the expensive one with guaranteed loot. I think its a great way how to turn HP into ISO and honestly, i have tons of HP since the champion/promotion feature.

I used to have a problem with buying slots fast enough and guess what - now i can buy slots for every cover released plus i have some additional ones for 4* duplicates (i have 8 of them so far).

Jarvind

Don't like 'em. They contain mostly junk.

Add in an LT or maybe a second random 4* cover (like how taco vaults always have the next Crash character and then a rando) and I might be willing to throw down on them.

ClydeFrog76

The fourteen 2*s is an absolute piss-take.

smkspy

veny wrote:

So, first option - Buy discounted tokens for 100HP, and you may get 2*s, 3*s or 4*s - all random.
Second option - Buy regular tokens for 150HP and you get guaranteed 4* and three 3*s.

I dont see a problem - you may choose cheaper alternative, or the expensive one with guaranteed loot. I think its a great way how to turn HP into ISO and honestly, i have tons of HP since the champion/promotion feature.

I used to have a problem with buying slots fast enough and guess what - now i can buy slots for every cover released plus i have some additional ones for 4* duplicates (i have 8 of them so far).

Guaranteed iso and 14 2 stars also. Are the odds better cause of the smaller pull size? Sure. But bending the narrative to say cheap tokens that pull the same rewards and no iso chance hike these vault guaranteed a 4 and 3 star is just incorrect.

By the same token I can say that all tokens in us ddq guarantee 3 and 4 star characters.

And a notice a similar thread through most of pro crowd's opinions, they have an excess of hp that they can spend willy nilly on this stuff so long as they get what they want other people really should stop complaining.

Pylgrim

broll wrote:

StarScream wrote:

Got to love it when the rich whine about the poor getting something for them.

How is spending hundreds if not thousands of HP to get a single 4* something for the poor?

4*s used to cost 2500 HP before they removed that option. It was pricey, but even as a F2P player myself, I managed to get a few of them by saving my HP carefully. These vaults give you an 85% chance of getting a 4* at a cheaper cost than that, while giving you some bonus freebies.

smkspy

Freebies are shield intercepts or daily resupply, paying 150 HP and whatever you get is not a freebie.

And for the sake of the argument, I spend 300 HP just to see if I could that "guaranteed" 4 star or three 3 stars and got two 2 stars...yeah, those are freebies ::rollseyes:::::