Constructive feedback on new special vaults

Mr_Sinister

I want to like these vaults, I really do, but I just can't get there. 14 2* in a 20 item vault and only 1 4* cover is just not worth it.
At this point we have a lot of 4*and most of the player base won't champ even half of them, so why not include 1 cover of each color of the 4* in the vault? ISO cost is still going to be a massive barrier for most so it's not like it'll destroy the end game, and you'll make higher sales which is the goal.

I see the vaults as missed opportunities on both ends right now and I don't think increasing the item value slightly to make it worth buying is hard or outrageous.

BlackSheep101

There aren't many opportunities to get a 5% chance of pulling a specific 4* cover. If you need the cover to finish off a character, the vaults are a good option. If you don't, they're ignorable.

Sm0keyJ0e

They should be vaults of new characters. No one wants a Flaptain cover. I can't imagine anyone is spending 3000hp for this. Spider-woman red cover? I'd probably buy it since 4* covers used to be worth 2500hp but you got exactly what you wanted.

mpqr7

I open them because due to all of the positive changes, I have a decent amount of available, and I just can't resist spending them on tokens! So far, I've been pretty lucky. I won the XDP after 7 draws and the sam after 5 draws.

If it was a cover I didn't need, such as a 6th cover of a non-championed, I wouldn't do it. But I can always use more champion levels (or power levels of a non-champed character with less than 5 of that color). So, why not.

Sure, if I didn't do this and daily vault specials, I'd have an additional thousand+ gold per week, but why save? Resources are meant to be spent, not hoarded At some point, I'll save a bit, but I'm living in this crazy economy.

Dartmaster01

Flaptain yellow, no LT, and a few 2* covers. Where's my wallet? I gotta have this.

Come on D3, at least try to make it enticing.

Fightmastermpq

We used to be able to directly purchase 4* covers for 2500 HP, and many people took advantage of that ability. So 3k HP for a known cover and some bonus goodies isn't outside the realm of viability - it's just only random covers, and only once every week.

The difference though is back in the day there was value in being able to drop 20k HP to max a brand new character and dominate their event, whereas now spending 3k for a single cover offers much less value.

Add an LT though and I'm spending 3k every week on it.

broll

I applaud that the devs are trying to find new ways to make specific 4*s attainable.

I jeer them for making that way to be a ridiculous cash grab.

Mr_Sinister

Fightmastermpq wrote:

We used to be able to directly purchase 4* covers for 2500 HP, and many people took advantage of that ability. So 3k HP for a known cover and some bonus goodies isn't outside the realm of viability - it's just only random covers, and only once every week.

The difference though is back in the day there was value in being able to drop 20k HP to max a brand new character and dominate their event, whereas now spending 3k for a single cover offers much less value.

Add an LT though and I'm spending 3k every week on it.

This is ultimately what I'm saying. Sweeten the pot just a little to give me a reason to buy it. As is it's just not enough.

Bondidude

BlackSheep101 wrote:

There aren't many opportunities to get a 5% chance of pulling a specific 4* cover. If you need the cover to finish off a character, the vaults are a good option. If you don't, they're ignorable.

Exactly.

So far I have pulled from both vaults and been fairly lucky. I got DP in 2 and Sam in 3. So for my 750 HP investment I have gotten 2 4* covers that are helping me build out my roster along with some 2* champ rewards. I'm pretty satisfied with that investment. If I didn't want/need those covers then I wouldn't pull them. If it got to a point where I still didn't have it after 5 or 6 pulls I'd probably say it's not in the cards for me and come back at a time when maybe I had stockpiled some more HP or just leave it be completely. It's not like the 20 pack is any cheaper than pulling them individually.

People act like you have to pull the entire vault to get the 4*, and while it's guaranteed you will, it's not necessarily the case. I'm happy to skip a few daily deals in vaults with 4x the number of items to increase my odds of getting a particular cover I want/need.

BlackSheep101

Sm0keyJ0e wrote:

They should be vaults of new characters. No one wants a Flaptain cover. I can't imagine anyone is spending 3000hp for this. Spider-woman red cover? I'd probably buy it since 4* covers used to be worth 2500hp but you got exactly what you wanted.

This confused me, too. At least there was a Deadpool event going on when his vault was released. Not sure why you'd make round two of what is probably a trial run of rotating 4* vaults a bottom tier character.

xidragonxi

If you don't like it, don't buy it! If enough people don't buy it, they'll change it. Economics at work!

Personally I think they're a waste of HP. But if there's a Peggy vault sometime I might change my tune. They'd probably have a better response if the characters featured were newer.

Punisher5784

They need to have these Special Vaults at the start of a PVE event that contains the Essential 4*. If this Vault had Kate Bishop, I would buy it so I have her essential for next Thick as Thieves. This is the second New Character Release in a row that I do not have the Essential 4*. Last one was Dr. Strange, I did not have Nova.

Even if I had the Essential 4* I would buy it to make them stronger because normally my 4* essentials only have a few covers so it becomes a 2v3 most of the time. Having a random 4* makes no sense.

Ram51

Punisher5784 wrote:

They need to have these Special Vaults at the start of a PVE event that contains the Essential 4*. If this Vault had Kate Bishop, I would buy it so I have her essential for next Thick as Thieves. This is the second New Character Release in a row that I do not have the Essential 4*. Last one was Dr. Strange, I did not have Nova.

Even if I had the Essential 4* I would buy it to make them stronger because normally my 4* essentials only have a few covers so it becomes a 2v3 most of the time. Having a random 4* makes no sense.

This is such a good idea that in hindsight you have to wonder how the devs did not think of this.

BlackSheep101

Constructive feedback!

GurlBYE

This isn't a sustainable model.

There are 41 3 stars and you get guaranteed 1 a day, and can earn 1-3 from placement and tokens hand them out frequently, especially the new 2-3 star token., 2 per progression.

There are 40 4 stars, the best ways to get them is to get 1 per event, 1 of the 100 things in a vault, 1 per 5 days aiming for a 5 star and 1 per pvp event if your roster is strong enough to earn 1 4 star per event, stretched out through the rotation of the 40 4 stars.

1 cover isn't enough, 4 stars aren't mystical unicorns and need to stop being treated as such.

The 4 star rate needs to be a lot closer to 1 per day.

The special vaults?

We need to be able to earn them some how.

Make challenges,
have a short boss battle
bring back antman like events
make 1 day subs

anything more than a lottery thats uses actual money, or currency for the slots of 4 stars that will continue to be released

The value prop of 3000 HP for 1 cover OR 3000 HP for the next 3 4 stars, is not that tough a decision to make

StarScream

Got to love it when the rich whine about the poor getting something for them.

broll

StarScream wrote:

Got to love it when the rich whine about the poor getting something for them.

How is spending hundreds if not thousands of HP to get a single 4* something for the poor?

smkspy

Vaults in general need to stop favoring old 4 stars. I can probably count on one hand seeing a recent (last 8 months) 4 star in a vault.

And sorry but 2500 HP for a single cover was too high back then so quoting it as some justification for lousy vaults today doesn't help a case.

Coubii

Loved several special vault. But the last one is really meh.

Fun story with Special Captain America Anniversary Vault:
I wanted to get my first Peggy cover. I had enough to buy a 10 pack. Done it, no luck, no peggy. As I started, I didn't want to be a waist, so I bought some to draw token one by one to get Peggy. Had a Peggy on the last token of the vault. And I just discovered that I need 1000 to open a new slot in my roaster.
Waited 13 days trying to grind , failed to get enough, bought again some to open the slot for Peggy.
Now I learned. Don't spend on vault when you can't afford to open a new roaster slot.

smkspy

Hmmm, didn't see the new Flaptain vault. His yellow would actually give me my 13th cover for my 3/5/4. But it still isn't worth it. I'd just assume wait til I draw it or he gets slotted into progression rewards.

dsds

Fightmastermpq wrote:

We used to be able to directly purchase 4* covers for 2500 HP, and many people took advantage of that ability. So 3k HP for a known cover and some bonus goodies isn't outside the realm of viability - it's just only random covers, and only once every week.

The difference though is back in the day there was value in being able to drop 20k HP to max a brand new character and dominate their event, whereas now spending 3k for a single cover offers much less value.

Add an LT though and I'm spending 3k every week on it.

Yup add an LT and I will spend on it. I've got excess hp from playing too much. I spent on the dr strange artifacts vault specifically for the LTs. Got all 3 with only 4000 hp.