1.7.1 Release Notes (10/19/16)

majincob

LakeStone wrote:

* UPDATE (3:30PM on 10/11/16) - The update for release 1.7.1 has been rescheduled to next week (week of October 16th).

1.7.1 Pre-Release Notes (update scheduled for release this week)

(Anything listed below is subject to change before release.)
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Anything changing? I hope the merge cards are awesome and not horribly overcosted. Like combined cost of 25 mana max. I also really hope Bruna, the Fading Light has the ability to put "destroyed" angels onto the battlefield. This is my most wanted card for a fun Angel deck.

Dologan

After the rebalances that were done to Kiora and Sorin on the last update, I'm surprised, and disappointed, that the more obviously overpowered Koth isn't receiving a similar treatment this time, especially considering it's a 250 crystal PW compared to Kiora's 950.

Not only does he have the most ridiculous per-match mana gain of all PW and the 3rd highest max HP, but all of his abilities are cheap and disproportionately powerful compared to practically all others. Just as an example, let's take the most recently rebalanced and more than twice as expensive Sorin. Sorin's max level 3rd, at 21 loyalty, creates a support giving +4/0 to all creatures on life gain, which, under normal conditions, does not naturally happen. Koth's Strength of the Mountain, meanwhile, costs 1 loyalty less (20), the created support has twice as much shield (effectively indestructible by matching) and gives +4/+4 bonus to all creatures on every red match by ANY player, no special conditions required. And if making a red match wasn't common enough, his first ability destroys almost 25% of the board (potentially including opponent's supports), except those very red gems, for a low 6 loyalty. I don't think I've ever seen the ability be used without a red match happening either during or after its effect -- more often, I see him running out of cards to fill, and his loyalty high enough for another cast next turn. For comparison, it takes Ajani three times as much loyalty to destroy less than twice as many gems with his ultimate at max level (and tough luck if your opponent has the same mana colour as you).

Seriously, how the devs considered tweaking Kiora but not Koth is beyond me...

Corn_Noodles

majincob wrote:

Anything changing? I hope the merge cards are awesome and not horribly overcosted. Like combined cost of 25 mana max. I also really hope Bruna, the Fading Light has the ability to put "destroyed" angels onto the battlefield. This is my most wanted card for a fun Angel deck.

It would be nice if the meld wasn't an outrageous cost, but we'll see when the gallery gets released. I worry that the meld benefit won't outweigh the cost in having both cards in my deck taking the spot of something more useful.

Ohboy

Dologan wrote:

After the rebalances that were done to Kiora and Sorin on the last update, I'm surprised, and disappointed, that the more obviously overpowered Koth isn't receiving a similar treatment this time, especially considering it's a 250 crystal PW compared to Kiora's 950.

Not only does he have the most ridiculous per-match mana gain of all PW and the 3rd highest max HP, but all of his abilities are cheap and disproportionately powerful compared to practically all others. Just as an example, let's take the most recently rebalanced and more than twice as expensive Sorin. Sorin's max level 3rd, at 21 loyalty, creates a support giving +4/0 to all creatures on life gain, which, under normal conditions, does not naturally happen. Koth's Strength of the Mountain, meanwhile, costs 1 loyalty less (20), the created support has twice as much shield (effectively indestructible by matching) and gives +4/+4 bonus to all creatures on every red match by ANY player, no special conditions required. And if making a red match wasn't common enough, his first ability destroys almost 25% of the board (potentially including opponent's supports), except those very red gems, for a low 6 loyalty. I don't think I've ever seen the ability be used without a red match happening either during or after its effect -- more often, I see him running out of cards to fill, and his loyalty high enough for another cast next turn. For comparison, it takes Ajani three times as much loyalty to destroy less than twice as many gems with his ultimate at max level (and tough luck if your opponent has the same mana colour as you).

Seriously, how the devs considered tweaking Kiora but not Koth is beyond me...

I'm almost certain that koth isn't currently a top tier Walker in any pvp format outside quick battles, where he dominates more because of speed than power.

Morphis

Corn Noodles wrote:

LakeStone wrote:

* UPDATE (3:30PM on 10/11/16) - The update for release 1.7.1 has been rescheduled to next week (week of October 16th).

Post was updated in case people haven't seen it.

So basically is next week right?
Was it hard to use 17(Monday) as a specific date to identify next week?

Cause by logic the week of 16 is the current one -_-'

shteev

LakeStone wrote:

Blue Node: earn a bonus ribbon by casting 8 or more supports during each fight.
Red and Green Node: earn a bonus ribbon by casting 6 or more Werewolves during each fight.
White and Black Node: earn a bonus ribbon by casting 8 or more Vampires during each fight.
On each node, you can earn an additional ribbon by summoning 8 or more Eldrazi. Bonus objectives can be completed multiple times!

Oh god no.

No, please god, no.

Drop all of these numbers right now.

speakupaskanswer

Am I wrong or are we talking about 1 (ONE) bonus ribbon for those objectives? Seriously, what's the big deal? If you really want to have an extra ribbon, you do the work, but no one is suffering for not doing it. Relax, everyone!

Morphis

The problem is that achieving the ribbons is tedious.

Some people can say the usual "you are not forced to do it".
Uhmmm ok.

By that logic they could make event have an objective that says "win the game after matching 3 or more gems 200 times"

No one would be forced to do it.
:O

shteev

God forbid we should ask for content in this game which is fun.

HomeRn

shteev wrote:

LakeStone wrote:

Blue Node: earn a bonus ribbon by casting 8 or more supports during each fight.
Red and Green Node: earn a bonus ribbon by casting 6 or more Werewolves during each fight.
White and Black Node: earn a bonus ribbon by casting 8 or more Vampires during each fight.
On each node, you can earn an additional ribbon by summoning 8 or more Eldrazi. Bonus objectives can be completed multiple times!

Oh god no.

No, please god, no.

Drop all of these numbers right now.

Blue Node: Clue supports should count (Tamiyo's Journal, Ongoing Investigation, etc.)
Red/Green Node: Arlinn + low cost werewolves should work just fine (red has 2 uncommon 8 mana werewolves that kick major tail)...
White/Black: This one's going to be fun... (tokens also count - Call the Bloodline summons vampires!)
Eldrazi: Don't forget about the SCIONS (From Beyond, various spells, various low cost creatures, etc.)!

Corn_Noodles

Morphis wrote:

Was it hard to use 17(Monday) as a specific date to identify next week?

Cause by logic the week of 16 is the current one -_-'

I'm guessing their use of "this week" and "next week" comes down to the certification process by Apple and Android. I assume the new application update either passed certification and a new bug was found that required them to resubmit for certification or the application update failed certification and needed to be resubmitted. While certification is speedier than in years past, it still takes time.

Dologan

Ohboy wrote:

I'm almost certain that koth isn't currently a top tier Walker in any pvp format outside quick battles, where he dominates more because of speed than power.

Well, quick battles ARE the quintessential PvP format... No bonus objectives, no artificial restrictions, just the purest comparison of PW, where speed IS (a form of) power.

Obviously, when having to summon specific types of cards, it helps to have twice as many possibilities at your disposal, as well as better card management options provided by multi-colour decks, but if one mid-range, single colour PW stands head and shoulders over the rest, I'd say this is a clear sign of imbalance.

Corn_Noodles

For mono-colored with the right cards, Koth, Liliana, or Jace 2.0 can all be very powerful.

jackvett

In a surprising twist of fate a D3 employee read on these forums yesterday that players don't appreciate maintenance taking 4-6 hour chunks out of events, and causing instabilities/game losses for players ingame when the patch drops.

In a tremendous show of graciousness, our overlords are going to delay the patch a week, leaving plenty of room for next Monday's posts crying "I spent $400 on SoI BB's and didn't get an Emrakul, what gives!?"

Corn_Noodles

jackvett wrote:

...stuff...

How does any of what you posted add positively to the discussion in any way?

jackvett

Corn Noodles wrote:

jackvett wrote:

...stuff...

How does any of what you posted add positively to the discussion in any way?

I'm rejoicing as I'm sure the rest of us were that it only took a month or so for this company to slow down the rate of shots to the foot/patch.

I like that you're utilizing my mentality from a few weeks back though! Go and purge these noble forums.

Ohboy

Dologan wrote:

Ohboy wrote:

I'm almost certain that koth isn't currently a top tier Walker in any pvp format outside quick battles, where he dominates more because of speed than power.

Well, quick battles ARE the quintessential PvP format... No bonus objectives, no artificial restrictions, just the purest comparison of PW, where speed IS (a form of) power.

Obviously, when having to summon specific types of cards, it helps to have twice as many possibilities at your disposal, as well as better card management options provided by multi-colour decks, but if one mid-range, single colour PW stands head and shoulders over the rest, I'd say this is a clear sign of imbalance.

Quick battles are where everyone builds unstable decks that focus purely on attack. Where speed matters and losses don't. It is as far away from proper pvp as I can imagine it.

When gauging power level, nodes of power is probably the best indicator.

bk1234

shteev wrote:

God forbid we should ask for content in this game which is fun.

I've said what I want to say about this in another post... just wanted to say AMEN.

bk1234

HomeRn wrote:

Blue Node: Clue supports should count (Tamiyo's Journal, Ongoing Investigation, etc.)
Red/Green Node: Arlinn + low cost werewolves should work just fine (red has 2 uncommon 8 mana werewolves that kick major tail)...
White/Black: This one's going to be fun... (tokens also count - Call the Bloodline summons vampires!)
Eldrazi: Don't forget about the SCIONS (From Beyond, various spells, various low cost creatures, etc.)!

Blue supports should be a problem for any capable player without investigate counters. We've done that a million times it seems.

But your answer for red/green is a little wonky. Not everyone bought Arlinn and now she's gone until the end of the month. It's not really cool to design an event around her when she was only available for a week.

HomeRn

bken1234 wrote:

HomeRn wrote:

Blue Node: Clue supports should count (Tamiyo's Journal, Ongoing Investigation, etc.)
Red/Green Node: Arlinn + low cost werewolves should work just fine (red has 2 uncommon 8 mana werewolves that kick major tail)...
White/Black: This one's going to be fun... (tokens also count - Call the Bloodline summons vampires!)
Eldrazi: Don't forget about the SCIONS (From Beyond, various spells, various low cost creatures, etc.)!

Blue supports should be a problem for any capable player without investigate counters. We've done that a million times it seems.

But your answer for red/green is a little wonky. Not everyone bought Arlinn and now she's gone until the end of the month. It's not really cool to design an event around her when she was only available for a week.

Alternatively, you could run Ajani and use those uncommon werewolves plus a third low cost werewolf while using his abilities to disable or, if needed, kill them to extend the match to get out 6 of them.