Upcoming Feature: S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank & Clearance Levels!

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  • bluewolf
    bluewolf Posts: 5,918 Chairperson of the Boards
    Another reason to announce early..... There are a lot of people with 3* champs but nowhere obvious to go. Too many 4's and now 5's make covering them very difficult for those who don't already have some champed 4's at minimum. I think many people who achieve their 3* goal stop playing, especially newer players aka anyone who is about 1 1/2 years or less. Announcing things early keeps more people around who are considering quitting. Also, there are multiple posts of people who stopped playing lately for a vacation Etc and not coming back. The Devs are trying to combat the hopeless feeling they have created for the poor masses. I am close to champing all 3's because I have no 4 to work on....one (Falcap) at 10 covers, some others at 9 or 8. And as a 3'er I can't really hit top scores in PVP. So I estimate an average 15-17 legendary pulls a month with heavy PVE play....with a constantly diluting pool of characters. Today I pulled my 6th X23! Woohoo! My 3rd in 4 months....maybe next year I can start selling her covers when she has 11 or 12 and I keep pulling purples (3 of those, so prob my next 3 covers for her...).

    Bring on ANY improvement and I will be happy (cautious optimism).
  • The Herald
    The Herald Posts: 463 Mover and Shaker
    bluewolf wrote:
    Another reason to announce early..... There are a lot of people with 3* champs but nowhere obvious to go. Too many 4's and now 5's make covering them very difficult for those who don't already have some champed 4's at minimum. I think many people who achieve their 3* goal stop playing, especially newer players aka anyone who is about 1 1/2 years or less. Announcing things early keeps more people around who are considering quitting. Also, there are multiple posts of people who stopped playing lately for a vacation Etc and not coming back. The Devs are trying to combat the hopeless feeling they have created for the poor masses. I am close to champing all 3's because I have no 4 to work on....one (Falcap) at 10 covers, some others at 9 or 8. And as a 3'er I can't really hit top scores in PVP. So I estimate an average 15-17 legendary pulls a month with heavy PVE play....with a constantly diluting pool of characters. Today I pulled my 6th X23! Woohoo! My 3rd in 4 months....maybe next year I can start selling her covers when she has 11 or 12 and I keep pulling purples (3 of those, so prob my next 3 covers for her...).

    Bring on ANY improvement and I will be happy (cautious optimism).

    As one of those 3* people, kind of disagree. The Champion system is doing a good job of supplimenting the random cover pulls, both together are looking like they may get me there. Got 18 more 3*s to champ though so I'm a ways off hitting a wall.
  • Calnexin
    Calnexin Posts: 1,078 Chairperson of the Boards
    A tiered reward system is exactly what the game needs, IMO. It sounds great in concept.

    But... "Late Fall". That's technically December. It could be four months from now. It seems a little early to tout something like that. I don't know how the development process works, but four months is putting the cart before the horse in just about any industry outside space exploration.
  • TxMoose
    TxMoose Posts: 4,319 Chairperson of the Boards
    I guess its hard finding the sweet spot of pre-info before implementation - too early and there's too much speculation and expectation; too late and the players feel blindsided and not communicated with. but as many things that have been dropped on us, seemingly last minute, I won't complain about some info ahead of time. of course this isn't much info, but its something.
  • __Adam
    __Adam Posts: 111 Tile Toppler
    The fact that 5* rosters enjoy the same ISO rewards as 1* rosters is such a skewed reward structure it's rubbing up against 'broken'; I think this announcement is admitting as much. Of course they have to tread lightly as borking the game economy could literally put them out of a job. The most they can responsibly do in the short term is acknowledge the issue while working towards a solution.
  • wymtime
    wymtime Posts: 3,762 Chairperson of the Boards
    So from what it says this looks like the first real feature to get players to level their rosters and not consistently hold back. The better your roster the better rewards you can get. The real question is how will this be implemented. Will 4* and 5* rosters get double ISO? Will 4-5* rosters get placed into PVP with each other for 4* rewards? Also how will the new system trigger will it go by I have X number of championed 4* to be in the top tier or will it be overall levels on characters.

    I am interested in seeing how this rolls out and I hope it is better then the bundle package, i mean VIP system.
  • Cthulhu
    Cthulhu ADMINISTRATORS Posts: 410 Site Admin
    We have been dying to let players know, and this release we are closer to getting it out, so the timing is right to preview this new feature. I've been biting my tongue for too long now.
  • Thanos
    Thanos Posts: 722 Critical Contributor
    Cthulhu wrote:
    We have been dying to let players know, and this release we are closer to getting it out, so the timing is right to preview this new feature. I've been biting my tongue for too long now.


    Can you say when late fall is to Demiurge?
  • Linkster79
    Linkster79 Posts: 1,037 Chairperson of the Boards
    Thanos wrote:
    Cthulhu wrote:
    We have been dying to let players know, and this release we are closer to getting it out, so the timing is right to preview this new feature. I've been biting my tongue for too long now.


    Can you say when late fall is to Demiurge?

    Sometime around March.
  • The Finn
    The Finn Posts: 272 Mover and Shaker
    Cthulhu wrote:
    We have been dying to let players know, and this release we are closer to getting it out, so the timing is right to preview this new feature. I've been biting my tongue for too long now.
    Thank you for sharing! Look forward to hearing more soon. And hope all the commentary thus far is taken in a positive way from D3--we complain because we care. icon_e_wink.gif
  • Dragon_Nexus
    Dragon_Nexus Posts: 3,701 Chairperson of the Boards
    I just hope it doesn't mean "Oh look, you have six championed 4*s! That meas you're Gold tier! Aren't you lucky? Have fun fighting the awesome new Gold tier enemies! (minimum level 250, maximum level 450). All new gold level prizes! (Critical boosts have gone from 3 per prize to 6!) and Gold Tier tokens!! (Average change of drawing a 4* up from 2% to 2.2%)"

    Golly, have I become cynical in my old age?

    I'm being a miserable grump but I'm determined to stay positive. I have absolutely no problem with being proven completely wrong here. Laugh away at my bitterness when the new stuff rolls out and it turns out that your minimum prize at my theorised gold tier is a 3*, but you're more likely to get 4*s and maybe 5*s. Even better if ISO accellerates the higher you climb, like for example you start out with ISO dropping at the current in-game rate at bronze tier (1-2* level), but silver tier gets 2x (2-3* level), gold gets 3x (3-4*), diamond gets 4x (4* and onwards) and so on. Rough numbers, natch.

    I'm rooting for you Demiurge. Make this good! Make it substantial and make it something we can all relax into and enjoy...instead of lament at the missed opportunity.
    Prove this jaded old bugger wrong =)
  • The Viceroy Returns
    The Viceroy Returns Posts: 493 Mover and Shaker
    After reading the i game message with a bit more scrutiny, I actually think a big part of this feature is the tiered reward system that I had heard rumors about being worked on last fall.
    Hopefully the higher tiers will have 4 star rewards in progression finally.

    You know that thing how players with newbie rosters can rank higher than players with veteran rosters in the same bracket because their scaling is easier?
    I bet after this goes live, that won't happen anymore.
  • Bowgentle
    Bowgentle Posts: 7,926 Chairperson of the Boards
    The Viceroy Returns wrote:
    You know that thing how players with newbie rosters can rank higher than players with veteran rosters in the same bracket because their scaling is easier?
    I bet after this goes live, that won't happen anymore.
    You bet it will, because that is how they hook newbies.
    "Oh wow, I placed higher than someone who has all these 4* characters maxed! I'm MADE for this game!"

    I'm just hoping that the veterans will get better prizes out of it than the newbies.
  • MrTrix
    MrTrix Posts: 46 Just Dropped In
    Bowgentle wrote:
    You bet it will, because that is how they hook newbies.
    "Oh wow, I placed higher than someone who has all these 4* characters maxed! I'm MADE for this game!"

    Well, they could make different ladders per S.H.I.E.L.D. Rank (or group of ranks). That way, lower rank players have a chance to end in the top50 again (which appears to have become impossible since the last update) and gain nice rewards appropriate for their level. Since the last update, no matter how much I play a PvE event and how many completions I have, I usually end around spot 350 (with the associated hopeless rewards). That doesn't help developing my 2*/3* roster at all. And showing me that I can win some nice 3*s if I end t100, but not actually giving me the opportunity to make it to the t100, just isn't right.
    And while I agree that a 2* player should not be able to end T50 at the cost of someone who has all his 4*s maxed, it would be great if that 2* player had a ladder of his own, among similarly leveled players, where he does have a chance to gain the top rewards appropriate for his level.

    So I hope that, after the introduction of the S.H.I.E.L.D. ranks, something like this will be introduced as well.
  • madsalad
    madsalad Posts: 815 Critical Contributor
    Linkster79 wrote:
    Thanos wrote:
    Cthulhu wrote:
    We have been dying to let players know, and this release we are closer to getting it out, so the timing is right to preview this new feature. I've been biting my tongue for too long now.


    Can you say when late fall is to Demiurge?

    Sometime around March.

    #ValveTime
  • madsalad
    madsalad Posts: 815 Critical Contributor
    While we're at it, can you please make some different gameplay feature available? Like "all 4* PVP" where you can only use 4* characters? Same with "all 3*" or something? I would love to be able to switch up my current PVP gameplay from "5* Jean, 5* OML, required 3*". Gets stale real quick.
  • Polares
    Polares Posts: 2,643 Chairperson of the Boards
    Cthulhu wrote:
    We have been dying to let players know, and this release we are closer to getting it out, so the timing is right to preview this new feature. I've been biting my tongue for too long now.

    I know everything can change and devs are probably still finishing everything, but if you could give us a better approximation than "late fall" of when everything is going to be released released, or how it will be released (everything at the same time? or deployed in steps?) would be really cool. At least the month icon_razz.gif
  • madsalad
    madsalad Posts: 815 Critical Contributor
    Polares wrote:
    Cthulhu wrote:
    We have been dying to let players know, and this release we are closer to getting it out, so the timing is right to preview this new feature. I've been biting my tongue for too long now.

    I know everything can change and devs are probably still finishing everything, but if you could give us a better approximation than "late fall" of when everything is going to be released released, or how it will be released (everything at the same time? or deployed in steps?) would be really cool. At least the month icon_razz.gif

    My guess is, "just in time for MPQ's 3rd Anniversary" (mid Oct).
  • DapperChewie
    DapperChewie Posts: 399 Mover and Shaker
    madsalad wrote:
    Linkster79 wrote:
    Thanos wrote:
    Cthulhu wrote:
    We have been dying to let players know, and this release we are closer to getting it out, so the timing is right to preview this new feature. I've been biting my tongue for too long now.


    Can you say when late fall is to Demiurge?

    Sometime around March.

    #ValveTime

    Please don't be ValveTime, we wouldn't have it until 2077 if that's the case.
  • SnowcaTT
    SnowcaTT Posts: 3,487 Chairperson of the Boards
    _Daywalker_ wrote:
    There's questions in this thread as to whether we should save up ISO or wait to level our rosters... IMO if there was an advantage to us doing either of those now, they wouldn't have done a formal pre-announcement. There was a distinct advantage to saving covers and ISO prior to championing, and they worked hard to remove any mention of championing from the forums in the month or so leading up to its release, prior to its official announcement. Using that same logic, if they're announcing this so early, it must mean we won't gain anything by making changes to our roster, or hoarding covers or ISO.

    I keep thinking about this. There are lots of ways you could do this, but it is somewhat hard to find a (fair) way that ISO hoarding would help [Unfair: your "vet" level goes up every time you level a character].

    It could simply look at the number of levels you have on your roster - this would encourage everyone to champion all the 2*'s and 3*'s. But it would probably also encourage lots of level 70 one-cover 3*'s to scam the system, maybe only look at levels past 150 so 3*'s would have to be leveled to make it matter - therefore putting you in "vet" status?

    I've been wondering if it is another "reset" so everyone has an "even" chance - but with tokens, new applied covers opened = extra rank levels or something. I wonder this because I wonder if I should hoard Heroics again, obviously this would really help those who have tons of tokens stockpiled.

    But then they could get around this with another thing that has been long needed - new token types! Just like when tacos reset and the old ones worked in the old way, the new tokens could have the different draw percentages and they could add the guaranteed 3* token they've long needed.

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